I know this might have been posted in some rule or another but I couldn't recall it being stated in black or white. Or it may just be my short term memory dying on me again. Anyways...

...Can member's characters die?
Now before you jump the gun and go
"WTF!? Dun g0 k1ll1ng duh m3mb3rz u L0zur!"
Please answer it in a different series of questions...

1. Can a members character "IC" be forced into combat by another character without "OOC" permission?
Such as this...
Bob: I hate you! *Grabs a stick and goes to hit Julie*
Julie . oO ((OOC: OMG BOB U CANNOOOT DOO THAT! n00b! *ban*))

or can it go like this?

Bob: I hate you! *Grabs a stick and goes to hit Julie*
Julie: . oO ((OOC: God..that sucks, but not like I can avoid it.*having been forced into the combat regardless if she wanted to or not ooc wise*))

If they can even get into combat one way or the other then proceed to the next one! =]

2. When a character is in combat either way agreed upon ooc or not can that character be killed in a sense they cannot come back unless some sort of circumstance occurs?
Such as this...

-Later into the battle-
Bob: *dealt a blow that left Julie on the brink of death* [Assuming it wasn't auto'ed and the fight was fair]
Julie: *Helplessly awaits Bob to now leave her in her defeat*
Bob: *Stabs her in the face, killing her* Own'ed...hella bitchin'.

orrrr...
Bob: *dealt a blow that left Julie on the brink of death* [assuming it was fair, again]
Julie: *Helplessly awaits Bob to now leave her in her defeat*
Bob: *Stabs her in the face, killing her*
Julie: . oO ((OOC: OMG! BOB!11 U cannot k1llz m3h!1 That 1z g3hy! *bans again*))

So to put them simply and save the mess of my poor examples...
1. Can characters be forced into combat?
...and...
2. Can they die in actual combat?

Much thanks for your time, I was just wondering if this was a pacafist Rp site or not.

Some are, some aren't. Member killing is generally frowned upon, but can be fun.
xD

From what I know and remember you can fight other characters, but cannot kill the character unless you get permission from the person who created said character. That's how it works...

So there's still the chance that you can be forced into a fight..BUT you cannot kill anyone unless that person "wants" to die? o_o;;

That's like me attacking everyone just to annoy the hell out of ppl because even if I lost they couldn't "kill" me...

That brings up another question!

3. If a character "does" get into combat either forced or agreed upon even if that person doesn't want their character killed can you do stuff to their character that won't result in death but a permanent wound?

Like...
Bob: *Beats Julie so she is helpless*
Julie *Lays on the ground defeated* . oO ((OOC: You can't kill julie, cause I luhv her!))
Bob: *Breaks and tears Julie's legs and arms off*
Julie: .oO ((Ok..f*ck you bob, f*ck you..*ban*))

Like, can you do stuff like that and make it legal in the Rp sense?

So now I need answers for question 1 and 3..O.O; and confirmation on 2..

>=] Mm..Yes...That is tasty

Yup! To expand more on Panda's stuff.

As long as it's agreed on by both players (It's always a good thing for both to make OOC notes in the thread that they approve) anything can happen. Beating, rapes, turnings, killings... And even worse... Tea Parties... *shudders*

But as for combat... It's more of a delicate thing. I've always found it good to kind of pre-write the fight with the other person before you stage it. Almost like Wrestling or something. Coordinate the choreography as it were... Be sure that if they can (like the two characters are equal power or semi-close) that they get hurt by somethings and don't just block or dodge or are uninjured by everything, and their attacks aren't all powerful and "Bob's punch knocked Joe to the ground, knocking out a tooth and leaving his lip a bloody mess" kinda stuff.

But as for non-violence? Hah! Not in this lifetime ;)

Just watch the GM'ing and PowerPlay and all, and make sure if you do, you have the other's permission. :heh:

((Sorry, posted a little late.))

1) The Charie cann't be forced to fight really... If they aren't a fighter they can always run or just let the person beat them up.

3) Yeah, like the killing, it has to be agreed upon :)

So if all fighting or violence in a sense has to have consent from both parties what would be the point?

I know there would be a story but it'd be all staged if you were only doing it for stories sake. Is it not possible to go post to post against a worthy or unlucky foe to slaughter or humiliate said foe? Whether it be for childish reasons or vengance or some other honor bound reason.

Like I agree it's not cool for both characters to go powerplay and suddenly go
Bob: *goes super saiyan 456895475687*
Julie: *Jumps into her gundam*

<_< I mean, come on. It's good to be realistic but what would be the point?

If their was to be no death/victimizing without consent there'd be no difference between a simple duel between a human and a vamp then there would be between a vampire war.

=/

No matter how you'd stage or interact the fight it'd be the same ending.
Not a very gruesome one either. It'd be as though slapping a pg-13 logo on top of what should be an R rated forum.
Sure it's only fair to agree upon what can happen but only to a certain extent.

I figure if you accepted the fight, both agreed upon a fighting type like melee or pc or h2h or whatever your fancy is then you'd automatically accept the consequences of said fight. But being realistic in the fight is a given. What happens to the defeated should totally be up to the victor though. Otherwise the whole thing would practically be a sham.
Wait..no, it would be one entirely. =P

*shrugs* most of my characters like to torture, but not kill, besides if you want to kill someone, kill a NPC, or someone who wants to lose a character.

Or do you not care if your character lives or dies? I spent a lot of time creating a character and it takes quite a bit of research, considering most of them are quite old...

Do you just have to argue with everything I say tonight? I'm just trying to help you out and you keep growling at me. If you want help and answers, drop the sarcasm and If I'm not giving you helpful answers, ask better questions or ignore my answers and wait for someone else.

*sighs* With that said, now on to what I was going to say.

If you want to do that sure, but who's gonna wanna play with someone who goes around butchering random people? Now there are threads where an unsuspecting mortal becomes prey and there's a fight. That's fine. You don't always have to stage out the fights if you don't want to, if it's not a big story line or whatever.

But you also have to remember that some people might not want their fun clubbing threads to turn into bar brawls.

But no, the fated of the defeated person is NOT up to the winner. If someone wants you to kill off their character, that's fine. But you can't pick a fight with someone, say 'OH, I WIN! YOU DIE!" and kill off their favorite character. Not happening. You'd have to come up with some way for them to escape or your character decides not to kill them.

I might give you permission to beat on one if mine, but if you just up and kill them I'd get you banned from the site as fast as I could, and I'm sure others would do the same. So what if it's a staged fight? This is an RP, most everything is staged.

I understand that. As well as I take great appreciation in that.
You should like your characters, you put forth the effort to create them.
They are yours, and what right would another player have to take them from you?

My views are slightly different though for my own. As far as I figure if the character has yet to make attachments then it's as good as it is in trying to lose it.

To simplify what good can a character be who's history is to kill when he cannot kill.

I mean you could always NPC kill, that is alright now and again.
Yet, once you've experianced putting your intellect against someone else it's insatiable. It's like a witty game of chess. You both have equal pieces since in Rp combat things like speed and power have no difference from player to player unless you're being extremely realistic.

I mean if it's a vamp vs a human, we know who'd win
but in a human vs human or vamp vs vamp the odds are near equal

That's when it gets fun. Seeing who can out think the other person. In creativity, style, and strategy.

I still stand by my reasoning from earlier and see why it shouldn't be that way.
If you accept to a fight not just a duel but a fight then you should already know the terms that the fight would have consequences.

most of the fights that i go through aren't staged, but i never kill a character, without the member's permission, it simply wouldn't be fun to lose a character you appreciate playing with.

I'm sorry if that disappoints you, it's simply the way it is and i'll have to agree with Angelwings. you could try to beat one of mine, but well it probably wouldn't be easy...

i would also like to add that older vampires are quicker and have many tricks up their sleeves, so the older the vampire, the harder it is for a younger vampire to beat....

That's not what I'm asking though.

I can agree with you saying it's ok to fight and to try and beat someone but what is so wrong with simply making it a fair fight.

If your character desperately hated mine IC, like he murdered your entire family somehow or your lover or whatever and I agreed to a fight wouldn't it seem realistic if it was to the death? I mean do you always have to come out and say "Is it ok with you if the loser dies if the winner wants to? So we're both on fair terms to fit the story."

Even in a most extreme measures it'd only make sense that way.
I mean IC techniqually my characters as well as anyone else can taunt anyone elses character by just being there. One way or the other without being in a fight.
If it got the point of a war it'd be the same as detriot without shooting but instead throwing pillows.

*Drive-By*
Oh shit! *ducks from incoming pillow raid*

[Note: I'm not trying to contradict you Angel for you but just to what you're saying, for the sake of the topic. Detail is key. ]

The point of the “no IC death unless the character’s creator wills it” is, in my opinion, tied to the fact that a person owns their character and ultimately what happens to their character. The rule does not restrict people to planned combat – it is simply in place to alert you to the fact that you cannot make any permanent changes to another player’s character without their consent.

You may also wish to consider that this role-play focuses more on the daily… nightly… interactions of the vampire and mortal characters and while some of those interactions do involve combat, it is something that is not often focused upon during a thread.

The allowance of combat and death aside, from what I have seen most people on this site are realistic when it comes to combat. Mortal players know they are up against something that is going to move faster than them and is stronger than them and vampire players often take age into account when assessing who is the stronger.

Oh, and stop being argumentative! I’ve been around here for a long time and I can tell you this: if you try to attack the rules of the site, especially the ones with the most logic, then you will lose… and Marcus can implode heads… whether you consent or not >.>

To some extent i would suppose but it would depend on the character, I mean each character has their own personality and it would depend how they would react to said situation...

And Colum makes a very important point... It's a rule like others, one that has to be followed, whether you like it or not.

You kill someone's character without permission, the character will come back like it never happened and you'll just be banned. So I wouldn't try it if I were you. If you don't like it, oh well, those are the rules of the board. That's how this place works.

I understand what you mean about the vampire verses human and all that, but still, it doesn't work like that.

For example. Maddox would offer herself as a free meal to a vampire. If the vampire got a little rough with her, tried anything but feeding, she'd fight. Of course she wouldn't win, the vampire would probably get what he wanted and say that was all of her blood.

There are several ways this 'death' could be avoided.

1) I could have someone pop in and turn Maddie for me so she wouldn't 'die'.
2) I could ask Vamp's player to edit post to say that he nearly drained her and left her on the verge of death to be found by someone and taken to a hospital
-or-(if the person doesn't change it)
3) I could say that number 2 happened myself because it was an unfair powerplay and report it to a mod.

Checkmate.

Vampire verses vampire? Age and abilities would play a role, but there would ALWAYS be a way for a vampire to escape from death of any sort really no matter the age. So *shrugs* I doubt you'll be killing any vampires.

And there are no 'terms' but what you set with the other player before hand. I don't enter a fight with a character thinking that if they lose they'll die. At least not unless I had it thought up that they're going to die before hand and I'll tell the other person to finish them off.

Sorry! Sorry! I'm not trying to be troublesome..really.
If it causes stress please let my own acts of foolery get me struck by the gm's wrath. DX

So lets narrow down to what we have and haven't agreed upon.

Agree:
Fighting should always be realistic, staged or not on the forum

A person doesn't have the right to go off and just kill/do anything he feels like to another persons character

Disagree:
On some noticable occasions / common sense occasions death should automatically be allowed.

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I mean, it's like enlisting with benefit of making it back!

Accepting into a fight should come with it's own consequences unless said ooc wise that it's a friendly duel or whatnot. I mean, come on...if you agree to a realistic full blown melee fight or whatever then you should know like being shot by a bullet does have a chance to mess with you IC for good or just whatnot. There are the odds of not making it out and everyone should know that before agreeing to a fight.

It's like getting in a car trying to drive it while being blind.
There's reason behind it, but to be honest you don't know what you're doing so the penalties come the same.

You knew what could happen, you failed to state, too bad, so sad. Immature but life can be a bitch. xD

and YES! I DO AGREE WITH ANGEL! AT LAST! XD ..To an extent.
There is always a way to escape death..I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to try but there is always a way. If you fail to find a way you deserve to die. xD In a cruel sense.

Sorry for late updates. People post while I type. Makey me difficulty to keepy upy.

I fully support what Angel, Pandora, and Colum have said thus far.

I'd also like to add my own two cents, or rather regurgitate content that you could have easily read yourself.

If that isn't a black or white answer to your question of "...Can member's characters die?", I'm not quite sure what is.

o_o;

that is indeed black and white enough for me.

I knew it was in there somewhere. Thank you for the clarity.

<333 xD

Marcus is still Mr. CIA

The Judge, Jury, and Executioner

<_<;

Ok, I'm done ranting now. *wanders off to the bathroom*

*sighs* Thank you much Kira.

My niceness runs out at 1 AM so I was afraid what was going to happen in about 15 minutes. Heh heh.

But anyway, the solution to surviving all odds, watch the movies. You'll find out that LUCK is a BIIIIIIG influence and can explain just about everything if played off right. ;)

-for some reason wants to make a mortal character just to get in a huge fight and kill it-

Dude, what's up with that?

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Sorry. Random today.

You see? That too is one of the glories of death. XD

Why not make a lamb for the slaughter? A variety of ways they can go, it's just as fun as trying to make them survive. o_O It could be like a sitcom

Reality Death LIVE!

<_< Hrm, I wonder if that car will hit me if I run infront of it.
*jump*

...

*VrOoooooooooooooooooommmmm*

*in hell*
Heh...Y-ep! xD