Title: Art and artists
krischicago - May 16, 2005 07:41 PM (GMT)
I don't think there is a thread about the visual arts.. This could cover everything I guess from horrible performance art (say lisa suckdog) to Painting, sculpture, architecture etc.. I could give a 20 page list but I'll start just by naming a few simple favorites that come to mind now...Trite but Van Gough, I have a thing for sunflowers.. Miro, and Gaudi... Yours?
generalist - May 16, 2005 07:57 PM (GMT)
i love photography most as a medium so:
richard wentworth's 'making do and getting by' photographs, gabriel orozco, william eggleston, lewis baltz, tom wood, robert adams, peter fraser........
most recently..... jh engström (shortlisted for the deutsche bourse prize currently on show at the photographers gallery in london - saw these pics a few weeks ago - heavenly!)
also video work by paul rooney & by francis alys, paintings by george shaw....
scratch - May 16, 2005 07:58 PM (GMT)
There is a time and a place for everything, so sometimes I deeply enjoy Van Gogh and other times I am moved by Rembrandt, but the artists that I look to the most often are usually modern illustrators with a raw style. I really like Philip Guston's last phase and the drawings of Mat Brinkman. They both have a density and energy to their lines that appeals to me, plus I like their personal, oddball subjects. Similarly, I like the prints of Mexican artist Posada and, for something a little older, Goya's satirical sketches in Los Caprichos. Can't forget George Herriman either.
Martin - May 16, 2005 07:58 PM (GMT)
Suddenly I feel so ordinary...
but Van Gogh, Gaudi, Renoir...airial photos of the earth in general...photos of craggy faces...
usrlocal - May 16, 2005 08:05 PM (GMT)
As far as photography goes, I'm very fond of
Robert Frank and
Josef Koudelka.
up2much - May 16, 2005 08:06 PM (GMT)
Nothing trite about Van Gogh.. over-reproduction would rob visual art of its aura, so thought Walter Benjamin - but the real thing always stands up for itself over endless reproduction.
An attempt to list my favourite 2 painters from each of these centuries:
20th century - Soutine, Philip Guston
19th century - Corot, Renoir
18th century - Gainsborough, Chardin
17th century - Velazquez, Rembrandt, El Greco (couldn't keep to 2)
16th century - Leonardo, Michelangelo
15th century - Rogier van der Weyden, Piero della Francesca
generalist - May 16, 2005 08:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (up2much @ May 16 2005, 09:06 PM) |
| Rogier van der Weyden |
yes!!!! :wub: i *ADORE* early dutch & flemish portraits.... so tiny.... so intense.... the ones in the national gallery are extraordinary... i go there often to visit them. they really 'live' :wub:
SteveHamilton - May 16, 2005 08:23 PM (GMT)
Jack the Dripper! Or Jackson Bollock, as some heathen referred to him on here on the Forum not long ago. He created a totally new style (I think, I am not an art expert), which resists all attempts at interpretation. And yet is extremely simple. I thought Ed Harris did a pretty good job with the film as well.
stefan - May 16, 2005 08:26 PM (GMT)
The soon-to-be-famous Resa Blatman. Two shows coming up this summer!
http://www.blatmandesign.com/faport/index.html
scratch - May 16, 2005 08:37 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (up2much @ May 17 2005, 08:06 AM) |
Nothing trite about Van Gogh.. over-reproduction would rob visual art of its aura, so thought Walter Benjamin - but the real thing always stands up for itself over endless reproduction.
An attempt to list my favourite 2 painters from each of these centuries:
20th century - Soutine, Philip Guston 19th century - Corot, Renoir 18th century - Gainsborough, Chardin 17th century - Velazquez, Rembrandt, El Greco (couldn't keep to 2) 16th century - Leonardo, Michelangelo 15th century - Rogier van der Weyden, Piero della Francesca |
It has become easy to take Van Gogh for granted because his work is reproduced everywhere, but that dulling effect is completely and instantly wiped away when one stands before one of his actual paintings.
up2much - May 16, 2005 08:40 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (generalist @ May 16 2005, 09:22 PM) |
| QUOTE (up2much @ May 16 2005, 09:06 PM) | | Rogier van der Weyden |
yes!!!! :wub: i *ADORE* early dutch & flemish portraits.... so tiny.... so intense.... the ones in the national gallery are extraordinary... i go there often to visit them. they really 'live' :wub:
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They are excellent aren't they..very concrete, tangible paintings..just been dipping into a book about the Van Eycks by Otto Pacht.. he says "It is only with Jan (Van Eyck) that the viewpoint becomes a fixed one, and painting becomes passive contemplation". Which says it nicely, but that the contemplation in the paintings is full of inner life.
Have you checked out the room of Pieros nearby the Flemish paintings in the National?
krischicago - May 16, 2005 08:43 PM (GMT)
Gen, Do you like Andreas Gursky's photos? Saw a nice exibition at the Museum of Contemporary art up the road from me here last year. Huge works...Lots of people. I am very spoiled by the big city access to "art" here.. Just saw the Alexander Calder exhibit recently.. to visit MCA:
http://www.mcachicago.org/I like Pollack as well. Painitngs I think Bosch and P. Bruegal cool creepy dutch..love them...Vermeer..mmmmmm Trite again? But I'm gonna stick by my love of Dali as well......
SteveHamilton - May 16, 2005 08:45 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (scratch @ May 16 2005, 09:37 PM) |
| It has become easy to take Van Gogh for granted because his work is reproduced everywhere, but that dulling effect is completely and instantly wiped away when one stands before one of his actual paintings. |
:applaud: That describes my experience of the van Gogh museum in Amsterdam exactly.
krischicago - May 16, 2005 08:46 PM (GMT)
Her work is indeed very "visually pretty" reminds me a bit of an asian inspired Erte.. Very nice work indeed...intense details..lots of talent.
krischicago - May 16, 2005 08:48 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (SteveHamilton @ May 16 2005, 02:45 PM) |
| QUOTE (scratch @ May 16 2005, 09:37 PM) | | It has become easy to take Van Gogh for granted because his work is reproduced everywhere, but that dulling effect is completely and instantly wiped away when one stands before one of his actual paintings. |
:applaud: That describes my experience of the van Gogh museum in Amsterdam exactly.
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Spent days going back and forth between there and The Rijksmuseum...just blown away....
up2much - May 16, 2005 08:56 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (krischicago @ May 16 2005, 09:48 PM) |
| QUOTE (SteveHamilton @ May 16 2005, 02:45 PM) | | QUOTE (scratch @ May 16 2005, 09:37 PM) | | It has become easy to take Van Gogh for granted because his work is reproduced everywhere, but that dulling effect is completely and instantly wiped away when one stands before one of his actual paintings. |
:applaud: That describes my experience of the van Gogh museum in Amsterdam exactly.
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Spent days going back and forth between there and The Rijksmuseum...just blown away....
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Some profound and moving Rembrandts in the Rijksmuseum - "Self Portrait as St Paul" and "The Jewish Bride". The Van Gogh museum is brilliant too, I like the early dark paintings of peasants, "The Potato Eaters" etc., just as much as the late works.
up2much - May 16, 2005 08:59 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (scratch @ May 16 2005, 08:58 PM) |
| There is a time and a place for everything, so sometimes I deeply enjoy Van Gogh and other times I am moved by Rembrandt, but the artists that I look to the most often are usually modern illustrators with a raw style. I really like Philip Guston's last phase and the drawings of Mat Brinkman. They both have a density and energy to their lines that appeals to me, plus I like their personal, oddball subjects. Similarly, I like the prints of Mexican artist Posada and, for something a little older, Goya's satirical sketches in Los Caprichos. Can't forget George Herriman either. |
Scratch, you not only have great taste in films! Excellent to see another late Guston fan! Yes, the density and highly personal subjects are brilliant. Interesting you pick Rembrandt too, for Guston he was "the only painter".
Bagrec - May 16, 2005 09:50 PM (GMT)
I've recently found myself staring at Constables a lot (I'll leave you to come up with the gag!) in the National Gallery. I argue with Mrs Bagrec a lot over Cy Twombly- I think he's funnny and weirdly profound, Mrs Bagrec thinks he's ugly and daft- although I also think of "Hex Enduction Hour"!.... I like the minimalists (I like "The Bricks"!) and the 60's conceptualists.
Photography- Bernd and Hilla Becha, Martin Parr and I'm completely fascinated by Paul Graham.
And Turner.
up2much - May 16, 2005 10:14 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Bagrec @ May 16 2005, 10:50 PM) |
Photography- Bernd and Hilla Becha, Martin Parr and I'm completely fascinated by Paul Graham.
And Turner. |
I think Granny on Bongoes would like Bernd and Hilda Becher..photos of industrial power stations etc.
There are some great Constable oil skecthes in the V & A and Tate Britain. Have you seen Constable's Tomb of Joshua Reynolds (with the stag in the woods) in the NG? Great painting.
Jean-Baptiste Clamence - May 16, 2005 10:59 PM (GMT)
As well as Basquiat and Bacon, I really like the Expressionists - Munch, Schiele, Beckmann, Kokoschka. Hieronymous Bosch is also quite interesting.
up2much - May 16, 2005 11:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Jean-Baptiste Clamence @ May 16 2005, 11:59 PM) |
| As well as Basquiat and Bacon, I really like the Expressionists - Munch, Schiele, Beckmann, Kokoschka. Hieronymous Bosch is also quite interesting. |
Check Soutine out!
SteveHamilton - May 17, 2005 12:05 AM (GMT)
At the
Captain Beefheart website you can get a cool screensaver with about 30 of his paintings on. The link to a zip.file is right at the bottom of the page, under Photographs Etc.
scratch - May 17, 2005 01:29 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (up2much @ May 17 2005, 08:59 AM) |
| QUOTE (scratch @ May 16 2005, 08:58 PM) | | There is a time and a place for everything, so sometimes I deeply enjoy Van Gogh and other times I am moved by Rembrandt, but the artists that I look to the most often are usually modern illustrators with a raw style. I really like Philip Guston's last phase and the drawings of Mat Brinkman. They both have a density and energy to their lines that appeals to me, plus I like their personal, oddball subjects. Similarly, I like the prints of Mexican artist Posada and, for something a little older, Goya's satirical sketches in Los Caprichos. Can't forget George Herriman either. |
Scratch, you not only have great taste in films! Excellent to see another late Guston fan! Yes, the density and highly personal subjects are brilliant. Interesting you pick Rembrandt too, for Guston he was "the only painter".
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I didn't know that about Guston and Rembrandt. Have you read Night Studio, the bio by Guston's daughter? I've been meaning to read it for some time, but keep getting sidetracked. One reliable recommendation would certainly push me over the edge into finally reading it...
FAT BLOB - May 17, 2005 01:57 AM (GMT)
I love late period Phillip Guston! I can look at those pieces forever. the colors are so odd and subtle. Seeing those up close was a real stunner.
soutine is great as well. although I have only seen reproduction of his work.
I will always be a fan of Bosch, Brugel the Elder, Carravagio, Rubens...and any midieval work.
some contemporary people I like:
Jim Nutt, Karl Wirsum, Odd Nerdrum, Bruno Richard, Mark Beyer, Kaz, Izima Kaoru, Chapman twins, Paul Mccarthy, Peter Caine, Chris Ware, Fred Stonehouse.
I could go on & on.
I discover a lot of great art through various art blogs like
sanfransisco's FECAL FACE (gotta wade through the hipster skateboard sort shit, though)
Fecal Faceand
Art DorksI always check a few others from Italy and other places...but I'mm at work & don't have my bookmarks.
Jean-Baptiste Clamence - May 17, 2005 03:01 AM (GMT)
I saw a Paul McCarthy exhibition at the Tate Gallery in Liverpool. Fantastic, and rather disturbing, stuff.
I've never heard of this Soutine bloke. Will google him pronto.
On edit: hang on, I've definitely seen
this guy before :ohdear: . I don't recognise any of his other work, though, and it looks much more interesting on first glance. Cheers for the recommendation, FAT BLOB & Up2much :applaud:
Terrance Stomp - May 17, 2005 10:02 AM (GMT)
painting-Jasper Johns, David Lynch.
Photography-Gavin Evans.
Sculpture-Johns (again) and Henry Moore.
and just for their resemblance to Eric & Ernie-Gilbert & George.
Poetry/concrete. Vagn Steen, Willem Boschoff.
The signature at the moment is a concrete poem by Steen.
elderford - May 17, 2005 10:40 AM (GMT)
Nevermind the Jasper Johns, show us yer Rauschenberg:
BED

Possibly the bestest art this side of Duchamp's Fountain: MONOGRAM
bradx - May 17, 2005 10:42 AM (GMT)
I'm not majorly big on the visual arts (but I do like comic book art like Crumb, Dietsch, Spain and all the underground artists from the '60s/'70s and Dave Sim of Cerebus fame).
But I guess my fave 'proper' artist is Warhol. I like his stuff cuz its so blank.
I also LOVE his books - I've got a shelf of 'em. :wub:
If you haven't read it get 'From A To B and Back Again', its hilarious, its the philosophy of Andy Warhol. Its pretty shrewd and clever but FUNNY too!
His diaries are a good read.
People think he was arch, sinister and too cool but really he was just shy.
up2much - May 17, 2005 11:20 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (scratch @ May 17 2005, 02:29 AM) |
| I didn't know that about Guston and Rembrandt. Have you read Night Studio, the bio by Guston's daughter? I've been meaning to read it for some time, but keep getting sidetracked. One reliable recommendation would certainly push me over the edge into finally reading it... |
Most definitely recommended - it's a very good read. It's written in such a way that it alternates between discussing Guston's and her own life. When I first read it, I skipped all the bits about her because the stuff about him was so compelling..but later, I went back to reading the stuff about her and found it almost as interesting. It's a real 'from the inside' kind of biography.
Another really good book is "Philip Guston's Late Work: A Memoir" by his friend the poet William Corbett. This is much more reflective about the actual work itself but also contains interesting biographical anecdotes.
There was a big Guston retrospective in London a year ago, which knocked my socks off.
Terrance Stomp - May 17, 2005 11:50 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bradx @ May 17 2005, 10:42 PM) |
I'm not majorly big on the visual arts (but I do like comic book art like Crumb, Dietsch, Spain and all the underground artists from the '60s/'70s and Dave Sim of Cerebus fame).
But I guess my fave 'proper' artist is Warhol. I like his stuff cuz its so blank. I also LOVE his books - I've got a shelf of 'em. :wub: If you haven't read it get 'From A To B and Back Again', its hilarious, its the philosophy of Andy Warhol. Its pretty shrewd and clever but FUNNY too! His diaries are a good read. People think he was arch, sinister and too cool but really he was just shy. |
I have been one of them "art students" and what drew me to him was'nt so much his images as the way he made them. Screen printing was a lot more fun and immediate than learning to paint properly because hands are dead hard to do arnt they. very easy for badly educated working class kids to grasp. "supermarket art". Colour theory. Fuck it.
Warhol himself was from a blue collar family. The mass produced factory approach is easier to grasp than the commissioned by lord so and so stuff so a great deal of art history is irrelevant to me. Elderfords BED is far easier for me to indentify with than a painting of horses by Stubbs. Cave arts culturaly closer to me than most art movements of the past 500 hundred years.
FAT BLOB - May 17, 2005 11:55 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Terrance Stomp @ May 17 2005, 11:50 PM) |
Colour theory. Fuck it. |
oh, but your wrong. Warhol knew his color theory! He knew how to make things as garish as possible, but still be very gentle about it! He came from a commercial art background and that's all about color and how it emotionally affects people.
What really gets me going about warhol was his whole persona, his whole concept. He led everyone around by the nose. he was quite brilliant. Jeff Koons makes a pathetic attempt at it.
Terrance Stomp - May 17, 2005 11:59 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FAT BLOB @ May 17 2005, 11:55 PM) |
| QUOTE (Terrance Stomp @ May 17 2005, 11:50 PM) | Colour theory. Fuck it. |
oh, but your wrong. Warhol knew his color theory! He knew how to make things as garish as possible, but still be very gentle about it! He came from a commercial art background and that's all about color and how it emotionally affects people.
What really gets me going about warhol was his whole persona, his whole concept. He led everyone around by the nose. he was quite brilliant. Jeff Koons makes a pathetic attempt at it.
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Koons is twat though. Warhol wasnt. By the way I'm colour blind so there goes your theory :D
freeranger - May 17, 2005 12:00 PM (GMT)
what i like to look at :
renaissance art (esp in museums as the actual paintings are often huge)
photgraphy - dorothy lange
- robert adams
- man ray
- ralph steiner
- nan goldin
moon maps/photos
surrealism
pollock
greek/roman architecture
sunsets
generalist - May 17, 2005 12:05 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bradx @ May 17 2005, 11:42 AM) |
If you haven't read it get 'From A To B and Back Again', its hilarious, its the philosophy of Andy Warhol. Its pretty shrewd and clever but FUNNY too! |
i agree. it's great. :D
elderford - May 17, 2005 12:26 PM (GMT)
DADA
Marcel Duchamp: TRAP

Man Ray: GIFT

Oppenheim: OBJECT

...and of course for all The Fall fans, MES's faves, the Vorticists, a new book about Blast! is now available in all good bookshops:
Jill - May 17, 2005 03:31 PM (GMT)
I love all art I can't think of much I don't like.
Particularly, I like Boticelli, Angelo, Raphael, Fra Angelico for the Italians.
Millet, Pissaro, for the French
Van Gogh, Vemeer, Brugel, Bosch, for the Dutch
Dali, Gaudi, El Greco, for the Spanish
Turner, blake, for the Brits
Hopper, and the woman ?????????? for the Americans. She painted in the desert in New Mexico ????????? I read her biography, dammit. Got it O keefe! Yeah!
Emily Carr, for the Canadians
Munsch for the Norweigans
My memory has failed for the German, Russian Polish and Hungarians. Plus hundreds of modern artists who have thrilled my gallery going soul.
I did a BBC test where it said my preffered artists where Japanese Ukiyo - e.
I need to explore this style more because I know nothing about it. If I find the test I'll post it.
Jill - May 17, 2005 03:37 PM (GMT)
My spelling and punctuation just sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry,
Here is the test. It's fairly long,but interesting and it was bang on about my personality when I had finished.
Hope this works
Jill - May 17, 2005 03:43 PM (GMT)
Well I tried and it won't take the link....Sorry again. :o
elderford - May 17, 2005 03:43 PM (GMT)
Germans: Nolde, Kirchner, Klee, Ernst, Groesz.
...and of course, back in the day: Al Durer
Jill - May 17, 2005 03:45 PM (GMT)
I need more coffee. how could I forget Klee and Durer....Love them both.