just watched the dvd interview from rebellious jukebox....it is an interview in manchester, thurs sept 19th 2002, with martin clemins...[£17 it was]

i like this very much ...it is a 43 min interview...the longest video interview i have ever seen of mark....he is very relaxed in the interview....giddy even....i enjoyed this interview better than anything in the middles book....it is that good....the whole time the camera is on mark.....he has a pint...has a smoke....never really gets annoyed for a change....it looks like it is done in an upstairs office in manchester centre somewhere.....he talks about a lot of different things really....and some things he aint mentioned before....that is probably the most natural and relaxed i have ever seen mark appear ever on film...

not listened to the 2 cds yet....but they aren't the reason many will want to buy this...

9/10

i didn't give it 10 cos it wasn't long enough for me....i could have watched it for another 45 minutes.....it was very interesting :applaud:

I wish this interview was on a full-featured music DVD with all their later promos and maybe that live gig that never saw the light of day. The Pavement DVD is a good example of a comprehensive collection.

Good stuff Dave. :) The interview was just a couple of days before the Blackburn gig that was filmed, so presumably part of the same production. Maybe the gig will be a bonus DVD on the next crap compilation from that label?????

I've ordered it from Action, should be here early next week - looking forward to it. Probably will have to force myself to listen to the CDs once through, just to see how many errors they have in the tracklisting. :lol:

Just saw this while out shopping. As much as I'd love to see the interview with MES, I can't really justify owning a bunch of tracks all conveniently from my least favourite Fall LPs twice. Shoulda been an extra feature on the Blackburn DVD thingy, really.

And it's funny how even the card-sleeved box sets by The Fall still look really dodgy.

It is well well worth it.

The interview alone is worth twice the price!

and truthfully, the CD's aren't that bad
it's actually quite interesting to hear early stuff next to 1990 next to 2001
and I think the packaging is rather nice

I can't get enough of watching the interview....it has a strange calming effect on me
it is soooo relaxed.......in a very pleasing way
he is so agreable and serene.......people who think of MES only as a pissed off old drunk should watch
he must have done some kinda zen meditation prior to this
Lots and Lots of big smiles....and amazing real-looking teeth

great sadness that "Fly-man and the fall" never reached its potential as a theatrical concept group. Imagine MES dressed as a Fly, ending every sentance with bzzzzzzz instead of uh

only alarming thing is the very slow sippin of his pint....doesn't even come close to finishing it :blink:

u must buy it! :blink:


it is better than 20 live bootleg sets :devil:

Oh dear, dear, dear. You boys have fallen for it. :(

It is crap. Dispicable money making venture that a proper label would have no part of. The interview should have been an extra on the Blackburn live DVD instead of being used as enticement to sell a package that is shite! 15 or 16 quid for a 40 minute interview DVD - you have been conned!

The CD compilation is pathetic. The songs of course are fine, but the concept is "3 decades of studio recordings" according to the cover. What do you get? 20 tracks from 1978-1983 then jump to 1990 for 6 tracks from Extricate, then jump another 11 years to 4 tracks from Missing Winner. Fucksake. They obviously had those few CDs to copy from.

And then they managed to get at least 6 songs incorrectly titled. And the sleeve notes are ridiculous. Who's this Mark Bramah - Martin's brother????? :banghead:

Even the interview is fairly lightweight and doesn't cover much new. OK, sure MES is in good humour and it has a couple of amusing moments ("you've done your research - find that on the internet, did you?") but the whole package smells of blatant cash-in. Of course it gets released ahead of the live DVD, otherwise it'd sell 10 copies and end up straight in the bargin bins for 5 quid.

Well, that'll probably happen anyway.

Got quite a few news things & stuff to pass on, but I'm felling knackered after last nights rugby didn't finish till 1 & the kids woke me at 6, bless them. Tomorrow chaps and chapesses.

no i like it conway!

wont budge an inch.


yer didnt like the interview then conway....when did yer get it then!..i thought it was very different...not the content.....the way he did the interview......not like other interviews...very watchable....at least you can see what is going on....i dont think this is a con like the receiver stuff...maybe i oversold it ....but that is me......it either gets 9 or 10 or else 2 out of 10.....


wasnt really bothered about the cds.....but they sound alright....official packaging is all bollocks in any case so i have give up on the packaging side of the fall.

£10 [or maybe more] for syd barrett's 1st trip is a con....the whole thing is about 10 mins....

i think this is good...

and i like the songs on te 2 cds ...over 2 hours worth!.....not one bad track....i dont see how u can lose really....except for the packaging....if u never heard of the fall u get a lot of good songs and a gr8 dvd.....

n if u r a fan u get a gr8 dvd and some of me fave fall tracks :lol:

I'm not saying that I didn't enjoy watching the interview Dave, because I did, I just object to the whole concept of this product. It's shamelessly exploitive of the band and the already long suffering fans.

The interview should have been an extra with the Blackburn DVD and then the CD compilation would be exposed as the redundant shite that it truly is. It tries to suck the casual buyer into thinking it's some sort of complete career retrospective (to date) with the front cover sub-title "from 3 decades of studio recordings". And what do you get - 2/3rds of it comes from the first 5 years, then the 20 years since are represented by selections from only 2 albums. And not very good albums at that. And the tracks from those albums aren't the pick of them either. Blah! :banghead:

yeah that bits true enough

Yeah, but the diference is that Rebellious Jukebox is actually out NOW! :applaud:

I'd rather be ripped off than wait around forever watching release dates be postponed again and again. We've been kept waiting on the Blackburn DVD longer than we waited for trnflpfcotc! After a while it just becomes a joke, and it's almost cruel to decide to put it out, then not, then do it, then write a book etc. At least Shakedown said it was being released, AND IT WAS!
no waiting....no bullshit.

and besides, I get it from Action, so I never sees the amount in dollars, so it's like play money!
is 13 pounds alot?.......I dunno :wacko:
btw...Action gets stuff to California faster than places IN California!
plus they gave me a cool little Fall promo poster and a gig flyer ^_^ ....{for Engerland :blink: }

The bullshit is that the appropriately named Shakedown is the outfit putting out the Blackburn DVD, but they chose to do this Rebellious Jukebox thing first to squeeze the maximum cash out of the whole deal.

:( who is shakedown?

sth to do with ed?

is that why he knows about it?

Shakedown = Secret Records Ltd from London. Blaney set up the deal with them to shoot the Blackburn gig for DVD, I believe.

Oh....I gets it now :o

Ya got a darn valid point there!

I'm with Conway.....fuck Shakedown :gun:

everyone who bought Rebellious Jukebox should get Blackburn for FREE!


now if we only new what whako would actually give(sell) the precious video to a company like Shakedown :banghead:

SHUCK FAKEDOWN !!
:finger: :finger: :finger:

sounds like the blind leading the blind to me

anyway i like the interview ....but it is probably best bought in a bargain bin....

and since i still havent got extricate on cd [only got it on cassette] i was glad they put half of extricate on disc 2...but if they sell the blackburn dvd for an expensive price :rant: i will feel ripped off... i wonder if it comes with 2 more cds and nonsense sleeve notes too....so they can get another £20 or whatever!

Dave, I just posted a new topic with Extricate mentioned. See here. :)

every time i go in mcr hmv....i always check their copy of extricate....it is ALWAYS the old version!

I haven't yet opened it, but the title: "THe Bourgeois Town" How naff-like a pirated asian version like an indian (in India) version of a western menu

for budget an alright two or compilations of like all mis (sic) and bootleg album tracks but that whole three decades promise etc (already) and if i'm not making much sense then... point is, interview got advertised as fifty two odd minutes or three or four or something like that, don't have packaging on me... and its actually like forty two or something or forty three and they rounded it up somehow to fifty or fifty four or whatever it was... false advertising, nothing on slander, but like.
alright track listing like but only got it cos it was cheap and i've got like everything else albums and compilations wise like apart from the live albums that came out recently with the track listings that didn't much appeal... and anyway, point being, i'm dying here already and living and rebellious jukebox isn't going to change that and i like, like, i like the tracks so like. yeah, whatever like.

Rebellious Jukebox (excluding the DVD)
I like this compilation. Its what a Fall fan who first listened to them in their most popular years would like. After having just heard there newest Extricate and then Shiftwork (back then) and then someone telling you about the early Fall tracks sounding like Sex Pistols and you wouldn't listen. Ends in your favorite tracks at that time and then goes into the Ibis-afro.
Sounds like 3 diffrent bands to cats. :applaud:

You know "Pay Your Rates" is awsome man! :beer:

Got this the other day for the interview disc.

It's really very very good indeed.

Although the interviewer isn't the most interesting person ever, I think he actually does a pretty good job. He obviously knows his stuff, and apart from forgetting the name of Hex Enduction Hour briefly and calling 24 Hour Party People 24 Hours, he keeps things moving well.

He waits a long time between questions, which may give the impression of poor interview technique, but MES needs these long pauses, otherwise he has a tendency to give monosyllabic answers.

Mark is on fine, good-humoured form, and comes across as being extremely pleasant and likeable, as he generally does.

Lots of interesting stuff covered, including talk about Powderkeg and terrorists, old label bosses and early shows.

Something I'd never read or heard before was that other possible band names mooted were The Outsiders or possibly Flyman and the Fall. MES said that with the latter name, the idea was going to be that he would 'buzz' like a fly at the end of every line. A very funny and heart-warming part of the interview.

And he also says that originally he was going to be the guitarist, which I didn't know.

Watching the great man in chatty mood for a full 43 minutes is an absolute pleasure, and I'd thoroughly recommend this to anyone.

And even though most people will probably never play the CDs, they're nicely packaged in a rather cute hinged box.

Don't normally go for Fall comps but the Rebellious Jukebox boxset that comes with a DVD looks interesting. Is it worth getting? What is on the DVD? Cheers

On the dvd's a drab MES interview, and the interviewer had this thing about the smiths and joy division, all of which bored MES - if i remember correctly. The music selection was also quite weird. I'm not a completist, but i'm sure there are much better compilations out there. :mellow:

Thanks for honest opinion. Just read a review somewhere which pretty much said the same thing. Cheers

The Discography lists the exact content and describes this release as "completely unfathomable". Quite pursuable.

I didn't like the interviewer correcting MES' pronunciation of "halcyon".

You should probably own a copy. I've never watched the dvd or listened to the CDs but it looks nice beside the other Fall box sets. :thumbsup:

The DVD is worth watching once. The Cds are badly mastered and useless. Even more useless is the version that's now out without the DVD. I await a full length interview DVD from that label at some point... Pfffft.

Well thanks everyone for the info. You were all pretty much right, it ain't great is it? Only paid £1.40 (bargain) via Amazon for the 2CD/DVD version so I'm not too bothered. There are a few on Amazon for under £2 for anyone else who needs a copy but like I said, not great.

Rebellious Jukebox Vol.2 worth buying? thx for info

Have a look at this.

cheers mere!