QUOTE (AdamG @ May 17 2003, 10:36 PM)

Hey, nobody ever answered my "no Karl at Leeds" question..............conway

You answered it yourself - Burns wasn't in the group at the time this gig was filmed, but Riley was. Usual level of care and attention being given to sleeve notes.

...no offense like... !!! - dave you will get shot.

I know exactly what you mean though. I've had my fair share of "you don't look as hard as nails - you must be queer" - spose it goes with the territory.

off track again - Whistle Test last night = 1981, Gang of Four, The Sound, Altered Images, Adam & Ants and Scars - NICE. Lay of the land was 1984 I think, couple of weeks to wait. Still don't know if they did any other tracks that night?, and by the way, not sure what is connecting this, honest, but can anyone remind me of the Fall content of Clarke's New Puritan documentary - I saw it once but was a little pissed

sorry ffd- you speak yr mind mate (a good HD word, he liked his insects too didn't he)

Leigh Bowery is the spotty bloke if memory serves - NOW yr talking big timestrange lad - have a look at Lucien Freud's portraits of him (yes THE Lucien Freud ) There was a good documentary about him on BBC3/4/5/6 (?) a couple of weeks back. He's dead.

i got my pbl dvd on wednesday...and i found it only played in b/w on the ps2, [it wasnt the scart either]but colour on me dvd player.
i wasnt expecting super quality...so i found the quality watchable and revealing too. i can understand why mark don't like doin videos , cos [no offense] but he comes over as a bit effeminate, and brix seemed more pretentious than i think she would have liked to be seen. i think this effeminate thing is common in sensitive blokes....i am not suggestin he is gay ....i would put money on him not bein....n i aint sayin it is a crime to be gay either.....i just found it interesting that's all.....i too have watched meself on video...and thought to meeself...i look a bit gay..... :P
anyway the live at leeds was a bit dark....i remember at one point ..........pitch black..
so i liked the pbl bit best.....ste hanley is very camera shy i noticed....

everybody must buy or steal this dvd ....it is very interesting.... if you've already got a good copy of it though.... i can't really see any advantage to owning the dvd.
:unsure:

I did catch claire grogan doin insects on wt....thought it was good...missed all the rest though

anyone who sees the pbl dvd cannot help but see what i saw...
if they dont they r blind...what can i say .... 'i say what comes to my mind'...
[devoto lyrics again!]..... no shooshting plz.....

thx for the pics of pere ubu n damo suzuki, adamg....i think i asked this on the old board....where r they from?

that pic looks like well known gay brit dale winton btw......jesus i will stay in tonight b4 i meet some 7ft nazi n say he looks a bit gay....i dont know what is up with me this week.....
:blink:

looks more like dale winton............he's different with his hair cut....ha! i didnt recognise me favourite ever... i am a numbnuts

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Oh, you lads are so hard on my mate Julesy. One day she will be ap-pre-ciated!

nope she never did anything, name one good song conway

maybe that's it..........she's just too muso....yer talkin to a man who thinks jimi hendrix is shit

i like the vid for cruisers creek ....they have this bloke in it with spots on him.....n yer know what? i reckon he looks a bit gay.lol..but he does/is?!?

BOWERY DEAD

SPOTTY FACE

YEP! THAT'S HIM!

dont read sleeve notes or journo interviews....my psychic reading of a fall lyric when mark turns 61

Yeah actually, I was recently wondering what happened to the Unutterable/Marshall Suite lineup..they just suddenly vanished. Could someone explain further...money issues i hear?

Finally got my long awaited package from CherryRed and it's top notch, I don't know what those whining picture quality twats were talkin about. (what did you really expect?)
Picture on PBL is only slightly better than my old VHS, but the sound is far superior.
Never seen the Leeds footage, so can't compare that, but it's totally classic.
Thoughts on Live at Leeds:
--On the back cover it lists the Leeds line up as: MES, Craig, Shanley, Phanley, and KARL BURNS!
First of all you'd have to be blind to miss the stunning multi-instrumental prowess of Mr. Marc Riley, and second, there is NO KARL! This was filmed in February 1981, and Karl did not re-join until October, any idiot knows that. Young Mr. Paul Hanley is the only drummer during this period. (occasionaly pairing with Riley)
--Shanley is sportin a stylish v-neck sweater.
--Craig seems rather bouncy doesn't he? Also, he and Mark are modeling blazers complete with shoulder pads? I believe they started this trend.
--Everytime I see Marc Riley, he's wearin a vest. Mark Riley is the best Fall keyboard player evah!(watch Winter). He's up there with Paul Hanley (hey Dave, check out the keyboard he plays in the Eat Y'self vid). Craigs mastery of the keys on Man whose Head Expanded is a close runner-up. (beat that Ms. Nagle!)
--The overall greatest drummer line-up of all time has to be PAUL HANLEY & KARL BURNS. R.I.P 10/81 to 2/85.
--Draygo's Guilt is on PBL and Leeds. This was performed Feb. '81. Draygo did not apear until Oct. '84 on Wonderful and Frightening. Whats Up With Dat? :blink:

Oh yeah, I guess I would have known that if Cog Shitister hadn't ripped me off!
After spendin $$ on "Live 77" I realized that it was actually "LIVERPOOL 78"!
All the packaging and even the CD label say Live 77, but it is absolutely wrong.
I've compared it back to back with the Mr. Pickwick's album, and they are exactly the same CD.
GRRRR. :angry:

The Damo show was at a little San Francisco bar called Hemlock Tavern.
UBU was at SLIMS....cool place wher I've seen great shows from the Soft Boys, Jonathan Richman, and in 1 month The Fall!

"That Pic" is JAKI LIEBEZEIT, the frickin drummer of CAN numbnuts.
He is niether gay nor a "brit". :huh:

Posibly a Nazi though.....but I'm not sure if he's 7ft tall? :lol:

I hate to admit it, but I kinna like "i come and stand at your door" on Levitate. :unsure:

Hey, nobody ever answered my "no Karl at Leeds" question..............conway

but seriously Julia can't compete with folks like Phanley on a keyboard!
I think part of my problem is that she played "real" keyboards and synths instead of those super kewl mini piano things used on the old stuff.
Also, Pawlett, Riley, Phanley, Scanlon etc. made mistakes which have become true classics. ;)

I'd love to get this DVD, even if the quality isn't particularly great. I'm just particularly drawn in by the prospect of low-budget Fall vids shot in the pub.

Speaking of Fall promo videos, how many were made? I've seen the ones for Hit The North, Telephone Thing and Ghost In My House. Telephone Thing was hilarious - the song that introduced me to The Fall about two years ago, and you can't argue with that white van driving slowly across a painted background...

Thought I'd bring this thread back up to mention Fall promo vids - MTV2 have this program on Saturday nights called '120 Minutes' that plays "weird" music or something (like MTV2 before it became shit) - they showed Telephone Thing last Saturday, and whenever they've had a program like this they've had Fall videos like Hit The North, and... Hit The North. So y'know, might be worth a look.

EDIT: Although I'd be wary because MTV2 has been so hideous for years - from a genuine alternative music channel with no ads to a horrible sweaty nu-metal channel with ads to a lifeless shell that pays the unspeakable Zane Lowe to sit on a sofa buttering the NME's arse. With tons of ads, natch. The clueless spongs even classed the Jesus & Mary Chain as goths on one program...

Conway said a couple of days ago that they went on strike over money, so MES just hired a new group. Although I suspect there were other issues in the group around the time, natch.

The Fall did a corking studio session for 120 Minutes (hosted by Paul King of King (in)fame(y). Was around the Shiftwork era and Mark was dressed in tweed jacket singing A Lot Of Wind, Shiftwork and another which I've forgotten. They had Meat Beat Manifesto and The Pixies on the same show too. Heavenly!

Have this on tape back home (I'm in a foreign land) which I guess will find its way to S.Bending in the future.

120 Mins have other great footage of The Fall during this era. I remember them interviewing Mark about 2-Face which he said was about 'me' and also them doing Styrchnine in concert around 91. I even saw the Free range video on it (fucking marvellous it is, Simon, Mark, Craig and Steve driving around in an open air Cog Sinister jeep) if I remember rightly

Julia was in What?Noise? They *were* great weren't they - I think there's a track of theirs on the Home compilation that Theme From Error Orror is on. Does anyone have any releases they recommend. WOW! Julia does have an interesting history - let's be having her back with Smith paying her a good wage!

I suggest that the 120 Minutes you are watching are actually reruns of the old programmes that used to be on MTV about 15 yrs ago - I remember taping these when I still lived with me folks, which was 1990...

They were actually excellent - 2 hours of meaningful indie stuff in the middle of all those godawful spandex-bursting HM vids :banghead:

And changing the subject, I will also spring to Julia's defence - I mentioned this over at New Order On Line, as Conway may remember - her and Chris were in a band called What? Noise which was absolutely ace - just loads of chunky keyboards with some nice loud geetars and Chris wailing manically over the top. Brilliant stuff. I've got them on that old Granada programme The New Sessions from around 1990 when they do an absolutely corking 30 minute set.

So big :applaud: to Julia Nagle :)

Hi all,

This in today's NY Times:

THE FALL One of the year's shoddiest music DVD's is also one of the most entertaining. When you buy "Perverted by Language/Bis + Live at Leeds" (Cherry Red), you get no liner notes, no extra commentary and atrocious image quality; even the credits are garbled. But this collection of manic short films made by the Fall in the early 1980's may be the best way to appreciate the British group's perverse charm, not least because Mark E. Smith's ranting is best appreciated in four-minute doses. In any case, the images here are as striking as the lyrics. For "Kicker Conspiracy," the members swarm a soccer field while Mr. Smith turns sports lore into a mad rush of hard consonants. In the marvelous and disgusting clip for "Eat Y'self Fitter," he delivers a wide-ranging monologue that includes a meditation on the futility of VCR's ("Do you know the progs you miss / Are worse than those you single out?") while his bandmates sit around a banquet table, drinking and then, to put it delicately, un-drinking.

Got the DVD today which now means I've got a more permanent version of Perverted by Language Bis since my video tape was completely worn out. The Live in Leeds show?? Amaterish, raw, grainy but unmissable. Some of my favourite Fall tracks like Draygo's Guilt and Jawbone...

The sleeve notes for this show say 'with Mark E Smith, Craig Scanlon, Steve Hanley, Paul Hanley and Karl Burns' ...but Marc Riley is clearly there too!! Some airbrushing of history perhaps??? :D

Durruti.....I too brought up this enigma many moons ago.......It is true, the lineup is wrong.
If ya bend yer eyeballs just so, you can also make out the vague outline of a little-known, nameless saxaphonist :blink:
I now quote the ever observant Adam Neal Gochnauer:
--On the back cover it lists the Leeds line up as: MES, Craig, Shanley, Phanley, and KARL BURNS!
First of all you'd have to be blind to miss the stunning multi-instrumental prowess of Mr. Marc Riley, and second, there is NO KARL! This was filmed in February 1981, and Karl did not re-join until October, any idiot knows that. Young Mr. Paul Hanley is the only drummer during this period. (occasionaly pairing with Riley)
--Shanley is sportin a stylish v-neck sweater.
--Craig seems rather bouncy doesn't he? Also, he and Mark are modeling blazers complete with shoulder pads? I believe they started this trend.
--Everytime I see Marc Riley, he's wearin a vest. Mark Riley is the best Fall keyboard player evah!(watch Winter). He's up there with Paul Hanley (hey Dave, check out the keyboard he plays in the Eat Y'self vid). Craigs mastery of the keys on Man whose Head Expanded is a close runner-up. (beat that Ms. Nagle!)
--The overall greatest drummer line-up of all time has to be PAUL HANLEY & KARL BURNS. R.I.P 10/81 to 2/85.
--Draygo's Guilt is on PBL and Leeds. This was performed Feb. '81. Draygo did not apear until Oct. '84 on Wonderful and Frightening. Whats Up With Dat?

Clarinet, isn't it?! Mr Nameless is Dave Tucker.

Oh Brother & Copped It are on Live 77 (December 1977)!

Ahhhh...thanks for the info. You don't get to see much of the drummer during the gig..

Thought I'd pop this thread up again, because I've just got a copy of the PBL / Leeds DVD thing.

First impressions: The Fall had (have?) a very different approach to videos. So we see home movies shot down the pub, stick-on insects, crap masks, crap dancing 'subliminal'-type messages and other weirdness. It's very very amateurish (the picture quality sorta adds to this), but it's a pretty funny novelty now. I especially like the Kicker video, with a mulleted MES and gum-chewing Paul Hanley. And Brix looks like a little teenage boy or something. For some reason the videos seem strangely 'disconnected' from the songs, there's something about the way the shots cut into one another that makes it seem like the song is just floating over the vid (or the other way round).

Not got round to watching the Leeds show yet.

What do you think of the quality Patrick?

It is a bit like watching a video clip on the computer... not great by any means. And some of the videos make the Telephone Thing promo look state-of-the-art, but in a funny way. I'm sure that if I showed PBL to any of their mates, they'd give me a right kicking.

The world really needs some screen captures from this DVD. 'Eat Y'self Fitter' is hilarious. I love MES flicking the V's at a signed photo of himself and his Jarvis Cocker-before-his-time dancing.

As has been commented by others, I think the transfer quality of this DVD leaves something to be desired - there seems to be a fair bit of "digitizing" of the picture image. That aside, at least the sound is fine. The videos themselves are great, and it's especially good to see "Tempo House". Patrick - if you haven't seen the Live at Leeds bit yet, you're in for a treat.