I'm curious as to how much Fall rarities are actually worth. Anything?
How much - or how little - have people paid in recent years for any of the following?
Or how much should people expect to pay or get for them?
These seem to be the 50 most sought-after items. I'm taking it on good faith they all actually exist. What's missing?

Dresden Dolls Bootleg 7" - ???

Short Circuit - Live at the Electric Circus Blue vinyl £30

Bingo-Master's Break Out 7" £10

It's The New Thing 7" £8

Rowche Rumble 7" £6

Fiery Jack 7" Black and white picture sleeve £10 Yellow sleeve £8

How I Wrote 'Elastic Man' 7" £6-10

Totally Wired 7" £6-10

Lie Cream Of A Casino Soul 7" £5

Look, Know 7" £6

A Part of America Therein Vinyl LP £25-30

Live in London Cassette £50??

Room To Live White vinyl LP £15

The Man Whose Head Expanded 7" £5

Kicker Conspiracy Double 7" £8-10

Marquis Cha Cha (Withdrawn 7" single) £30-60

Early Fall 77-79 LP - £20+

In A Hole NZ Double vinyl LP £30-40

C.R.E.E.P. Green vinyl 12" £10

Call For Escape Route (with free 7" single) £8

Nord-west Gas Still in some shops in Germany apparently for €15

Ghost In My House Holograph sleeve £5

Hit The North 7" Picture Disc £5

Hit The North 12" remix £8?

Hit The North Cassette single ???

Big New Prinz 7" Promo ???

Big New Prinz 12" Promo £8

Jerusalem 2 mini CDs £10-15

Kurious Oranj/Jerusalem Double single box £6

Bremen Nacht Run-out 7"

Paintwork book £10

Infotainment Scam US 9 track promo CD ???

The Dredger EP £8+

So What About It? Promos £40

Free Range Single hand-painted sleeve ?

Masquerade EPs

Levitate 2CD £14

Room To Live 2CD ?

Palace of Swords Reversed 2CD

Touch Sensitive 12" £30

The Marshall Suite Vinyl £80-100+?

The Marshall Suite CD £20-30

I Am As Pure As Oranj CD

Are You Are Missing Winner Picture disc

Two Librans 7" Demo £40

Rude Flitwick 7" £200+

Rude (All The Time) CD single

Backdrop £20+

Austurbaejarbio £40+

Blind Man Promo CD

Fall Heads Roll UK Vinyl

Fall Heads Roll US Double vinyl

I Can Hear The Grass Grow UK single

And remember; "The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing."

wots this? Antiques Roadshow?

To my (admittedly limited) knowledge the Fall have never had a mega-rarity as such. Not like bands like the Pistols with the A&M 7" for instance. Even XTC have the mega-rare Science Friction 7" which goes for about £3000. Why XTC? Who knows. Its just a sought-after pressing that one.
Collectable punk bands from the 70s tend to be the 2nd, 3rd and 4th division bands that sold 100 - 1000 copies of their singles. Fall singles sold many times this number so there's comparatively plenty about.
According to the current Record Collector price guide (which isn't such a good barometer these days, but still) the rarest Fall item is the withdrawn Marquis Cha Cha Kamera 7" which books at a fairly modest £30.
As we know though - currently vinyl copies of The Marshall Suite can go for £100+ so what do they know? Ebay seems to dictate prices these days, not record dealers. A good thing, probably.

give me a tenner & I'll take them off your hands.

Paid £7 for my Levitate (2 disc) through ripping off a Yank! :D

Paid £5 for BOTH Masquerade CDs in a lucky Ebay deal! ^_^

Marshall Suite CDs tend to fetch around £20 usually.

Early 7" singles are pretty cheap - price of a pint or two usually secures.

early 7" singles tend to be around £10-£15, maybe less, depends on condition obviously.

Marquis Cha Cha...about £50?

Marshall Suite LP, we've seen that go for £150+ on ebay, as far as I know that's the most expensive item. Sounds a lot but try being a Beatles collector!

Just had a quick flick through Ebay - lots of 'Ghost In My House' 7" singles with holographic sleeves for under a fiver. Also a 'Fiery Jack 7" and a 'Lie Dream' 7" for a similar price.

Some clown has an original 'Grotesque' up for £30! :o . I don't care how mint it is, it ain't worth that! :blink:

Levitate vinyl seems to be particularly hard to come by these days. Also, the Touch Sensitive 12in, for reasons that elude me, has been fetching decent pints of late. And the original 'Chaos Tape' (Live in London, the cassette) went for close to 30 pints the other week. Marquis Cha Cha? Haven't seen one offered in quite some time. I can't imagine it going even for 50 pints, really.
What we need: the bloody tequila bottle. And the balloon. Don't get me started.

And then, there's the C.R.E.E.P. Show bootleg. Yeah?

:confused:

:whistle:

Strictly between you and me, I love the Antiques Roadshow.
At the beginning of the year they did one from the Delawar Pavilion in Bexhill, just before The Fall played there.
Admittedly no-one mentioned it, but you could tell it was playing on everyones' mind...

I was being modest - I actually meant '...to my immense and wide-ranging knowledge' :)

The white vinyl "Room To Live" seems to be about as common as the UK pressing at least on eBay. Neither seems to get any more than £15. The white "Hex" seems to be considerably more common than the black Kamera (possibly due to being available for longer - Kamera did go bust in 1983...)

As with anything nowadays, it's worth what someone will pay for it.

The only values on this list I'm suprised by is for The Marshall Suite CDs, as there were so many around after the Corsa advert came out - even Woolworths were snowed under with the Vauxhall-stickered versions for a while.

The only item on your list that is erroneous, I think, is having 2 entries for In A Hole on vinyl: there officially only ever was the NZ Flying Nun LP+12" edition.

I've got most of these records though (bar 2 or 3 frustrating exceptions!), and would agree that it's worth shopping around, and only going for an Ebay sale if you've clearly seen a bargain there. Record Collector price guides are put together AFAIK from a survey of average prices amongst collectors shops, record fairs and dealers - which may be why they've not noticed some the internet prices on the Artful releases just yet - but it's worth remembering also that a lot of second hand shops do take the RC Price Guide books as gospel when it comes to pricing stock. I've seen a lot of the allegedly rare stuff turn up in shops down here in Brighton quite often in recent years for fair prices: if a shop gets some vinyl Levitate and Marshall Suite in, and it's not listed by RC, then odds on it'll go out for £10-£15 - even if the same shop is simultaneously trying its luck with offering the stock for Ebay bids.

As far as CDs go, almost everything you mention was widely available from shops such as Borders a few years back when that Dave Thompson book came out, even some of the limited 2CD Voiceprint stuff, Pure As Oranj, the spoken word albums etc. A few trips that Summer up round Tottenham Court Road/Oxford Street/Berwick Street filled in almost everything missing from my collection (Selectadisc had heaps of AYAMW pic discs reduced to under a fiver). Even some of the Virgin Megastore staff commented on how many '2 Finger Salute' CDs they'd been selling over the past few weeks. I'd imagine that was when many of the CDs you mention started becoming rarer, but I wouldn't be particularly suprised if somewhere like HMV, Zavvi or Borders started unearthing more boxes of Voiceprint etc stuff in its sales in the near future.

Do you mean the vinyl Pander! Panda! Panzer!?
Because HMV in Oxford Street are still knocking out the CD version for £15...

Thanks for that, Stu.
Yes, it is TMS CD - a constant source of irritation for me as it's the only proper gap in my collection.
Have been looking hard for the last year, and it usually goes for £28-35 on ebay, out of my range at present - but I have seen copies go for around £15. Bafflingly, this only seems to happen when I've just missed an auction.
Amazon sellers seem to pick their figure out of the ether (£100+ sometimes).
Tis madness!

I don't think there ever was a vinyl P!P!P!

Ebay tip: Look out for a copy being sold by a "new" seller - they often don't get top whack prices as folk don't trust 'em! Someone found one on Ebay, which I reccommended to someone on the Buy Sell Exchange section, and it sold at £12.50!

Good luck... :)

{Wouldn't mind a REAL copy myself some day... :( }

My theory is that it is an attempt to catch out drunks.

There are in fact two versions of the vinyl In A Hole!
The original NZ one, and the German bootleg version...sporting white labels instead of black ones. No insert with that one and all of them skip.
Nah, there is no vinyl Panda.

The two 3 inch CDs you should find for 15 pounds or less. Don't forget, there was an issue of two 45s of the same material which also can be found for a reasonable price.

Non-record/CD stuff is interesting too. I've seen the Kurious Oranj programme go on eBay for £30, but I never saw a Sinister Times for sale. How about the Brian Edge book too, I assume that's out of print now? Some of those Biggest Library mags go for silly money as well.

Interesting to see if these prices fall when the Beggars remasters are released...

Over on EBay, an NME with Mark (nice jumper) on the cover is selling for more than most Gruppe items. :blink:

Something wrong there - but perhaps it's got a cartoon by Ray Lowry (RIP) that's pushed the price up ...

What about the Nord-West Gas compilation? I rarely see that.

Someone on here said it was still on sale in Germany...

EDIT: Hmmm. Just had a look on amazon.de and it ain't there. Anyone?

I saw about 4 copies in an old plattenspieler shop near Alexander Platz, Berlin (all new) last february and also a second hand copy in a lovely record shop in Amsterdam in October last year. Both shops selling for € 15. It was deleted from the catalogue a long, long time ago. Pretty exclectic that fuenf und vierzig.

2 /3 way down the fuenfundvierzig site - is that Mani, as in the library working off his hangover at 3.30?

Ebay prices from www.popsike.com - they only list vinyl though. Rude All the Time seems to be the priciest! Levitate went v. cheaply recently.

http://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php...ortord=&thumbs=

Stupid question, perhaps, but those are what they actually went for?
Blimey.

My enjoyment at picking out which of these 'rarities' I own (8 of them - as seen in my new avatar!) was reduced by the discovery that I seem to have lost my Blindman promo CD... :cry2:

Serves me right for feeling pleased with myself

[EDIT] Mr Polo reminded me of my heritage and I've restored Sooty and Sweep to their rightful place. Shame on me for being boastful...

Backdrop bootleg version?

I had this for ages before the official release. Just presumed copies were 10 a a penny but maybe not.

Was this the first instance of the V flicking Smith on a cd? 1994 I think?

The CD label indeed says 1994 for Backdrop

What about Fall related ephemera like set lists?
Anyone pay for one of those?

I have one from M/cr Rockworld in '97 with Crackhouse on it.
Not for sale though, not that anybody is that arsed I'm sure.

The most £££s I got for a Fall thing was the mixing desk tape from their first ever gig. I thought this would have come out on Voiceprint or somewhere by now but nope.

Apart from that, the cassette tape version of Hit The North went for an eye-popping amount of money.

Reeeeeeeeally?

Do you recall how much?

(eyeing his casette of HTN)

Creepshow vinyl is really hard to find as is,'In the City' cd also 'A Past gone Mad' 2lp

What ??? :huh: Surely you are joking.

I've never seen a copy of CreepShow (although not so bothered, as it's a boot), or a copy of the Hit The North cassette (though I'm sure I've seen other Beggars cassingles for other bands over the years with some regularity); In The City was certainly one of the most difficult CDs for me to track down (I think I struck lucky with an Amazon seller eventually, after many months of searching: various online private sellers here and elsewhere also came up trumps with cheap copies of the various Artful CD-singles, and that US Infotainment Scan promo); A Past Gone Mad was one of the other Fall LPs that was available cheaply in good quantities down Berwick Street in recent years (again, I think mine was under a fiver in Selectadisc), but they may well have all disappeared by now.

Don't know if that info helps anyone!