Title: The Post Nearly Man
Description: Favourite track?
Stephen - June 7, 2004 08:42 AM (GMT)
danjo - June 7, 2004 11:40 PM (GMT)
i voted for "shad segment" as its fucking funny! but i also think "enigramattic dream" is brill! Not sure about some of the other voices on the album though :huh:
chachacha - June 8, 2004 03:54 AM (GMT)
enigrammatic enigmatic/american poet x3 is funny
Stephen - June 8, 2004 07:29 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (danjo @ Jun 7 2004, 11:40 PM) |
| i voted for "shad segment" as its fucking funny! but i also think "enigramattic dream" is brill! Not sure about some of the other voices on the album though :huh: |
After 4 votes, Shad Segment is winning!
fallfandave - June 8, 2004 07:38 AM (GMT)
i a b p 1
seemed to be a good one i think....not played this in ages
Martin - June 8, 2004 07:41 AM (GMT)
I don't think many people have got this, Stephen. Perhaps they think it's just obscure doodlings.
Stephen - June 8, 2004 07:47 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (mpetersvalencia @ Jun 8 2004, 07:41 AM) |
| I don't think many people have got this, Stephen. Perhaps they think it's just obscure doodlings. |
I really, really love it and prefer it to many 1990s Fall albums.
bezenby2 - June 8, 2004 08:40 PM (GMT)
Now that I've been convinced to buy this album I can't find it anywhere
generalist - June 8, 2004 10:01 PM (GMT)
having the same problem...
Martin - June 9, 2004 06:18 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bezenby2 @ Jun 9 2004, 08:40 AM) |
| Now that I've been convinced to buy this album I can't find it anywhere |
amazon seem to have it.
Stephen - June 9, 2004 07:35 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (mpetersvalencia @ Jun 9 2004, 06:18 AM) |
| QUOTE (bezenby2 @ Jun 9 2004, 08:40 AM) | | Now that I've been convinced to buy this album I can't find it anywhere |
amazon seem to have it.
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And they advertise it as a soundtrack!
Mr Sheps - June 9, 2004 01:22 PM (GMT)
this gets better every time I hear it
current favourite: There's a Lot in a Name. Also like Enigrammatic Dream and Dissolute Singer
Stephen - June 9, 2004 01:27 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Mr Sheps @ Jun 9 2004, 01:22 PM) |
| Also like Enigrammatic Dream and Dissolute Singer |
This album is even better on headphones with Mark zinging across the left and right channels, bombarding your ears with contradictory information.
chrisgoodhead - June 9, 2004 03:15 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bezenby2 @ Jun 9 2004, 08:40 AM) |
| Now that I've been convinced to buy this album I can't find it anywhere |
Borders Sale £6.99! My local Borders only had 1 copy which I snaffled super-fast but maybe if you ask the staff they'll transfer a copy over from one of their other stores.
I know we used to transfer sale stock in for customers when I worked in a High-Street record shop who I don't want to mention in a good light due to current loathing and hatred issues. :gun: :gun: :grrr: :gun: :grrr: :finger:
chrisgoodhead - June 9, 2004 03:16 PM (GMT)
On Post Nearly Man I become mesmerised by the four "notes" on American Poet part 1 that goes on for ages with nothing else really happening so AP pt1 got my vote.
danjo - June 9, 2004 11:55 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (chrisgoodhead @ Jun 10 2004, 03:16 AM) |
| On Post Nearly Man I become mesmerised by the four "notes" on American Poet part 1 that goes on for ages with nothing else really happening so AP pt1 got my vote. |
Yes!!!!! i love that bit too! quite hypnotyic!
Stephen - June 10, 2004 08:03 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (danjo @ Jun 9 2004, 11:55 PM) |
| QUOTE (chrisgoodhead @ Jun 10 2004, 03:16 AM) | | On Post Nearly Man I become mesmerised by the four "notes" on American Poet part 1 that goes on for ages with nothing else really happening so AP pt1 got my vote. |
Yes!!!!! i love that bit too! quite hypnotyic!
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Sometimes it sounds like a tap dripping.
gappy tooth - June 10, 2004 11:25 AM (GMT)
Dissolute is one of the greatest few minutes in the last 15 years of The Fall.
I await your disgust & disagreement...
Stephen - June 10, 2004 11:27 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (gappy tooth @ Jun 10 2004, 11:25 AM) |
Dissolute is one of the greatest few minutes in the last 15 years of The Fall.
I await your disgust & disagreement... |
Agree totally.
gappy tooth - June 10, 2004 11:35 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Stephen @ Jun 10 2004, 11:27 PM) |
| QUOTE (gappy tooth @ Jun 10 2004, 11:25 AM) | Dissolute is one of the greatest few minutes in the last 15 years of The Fall.
I await your disgust & disagreement... |
Agree totally.
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OK, but I'd probably disgust you anyway, Stephen
chrisgoodhead - June 10, 2004 11:46 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Stephen @ Jun 10 2004, 08:03 PM) |
| QUOTE (danjo @ Jun 9 2004, 11:55 PM) | | QUOTE (chrisgoodhead @ Jun 10 2004, 03:16 AM) | | On Post Nearly Man I become mesmerised by the four "notes" on American Poet part 1 that goes on for ages with nothing else really happening so AP pt1 got my vote. |
Yes!!!!! i love that bit too! quite hypnotyic!
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Sometimes it sounds like a tap dripping.
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I noticed there's some good clicks in that bit too if you listen carefully. Almost a drum beat after a while. And when Smith comes in with the louder, almost singing bit - wow! I think this might be his finest moment.
Some of PNM reminds me very much of Beefheart. Particularly the one with gaps between speaking and the word "arrogant" cut off. Sounds like the Beefheart poems of TroutMaskReplica, which I also love
You know, "Me and my girl named Bimbo... Blimbo...Spam"
The Post Nearly Man is new to me and like my experience with TroutMask I initally thought "Oh that's a load of cobbled together unlistenable rubbish" but now... wow.
Better than Panda. :applaud:
Stephen - June 10, 2004 11:46 AM (GMT)
No votes for Enigrammatic Dream!
"Modernity. Moderninity, water lane 01715599 dream sat may tents and tomatoes at Blackpool where Jimmy Bloomfield has been brought back to host jousts in moderninity."
Stephen - June 10, 2004 11:54 AM (GMT)
I also love the way the album comments on itself.
I'm Bobby, part 1 has references to
1. the LP title ("your post nearly half realised birdlike thoughts clogging the solo seventies or new intellectual skinhead morass")
2. Shad Segment ("a shad mock whistle")
3. The Horror In Clay ("honestly professor competing with it observing scientifically brains are in that need maths to understand chords missing slide back to bottom of ravine")
I don't like W. Burroughs, but I believe this was composed using W.B.-style cut-up techniques. The way the album seems to fold in and yet expand upon itself is its finest achievement.
Stephen - June 10, 2004 11:57 AM (GMT)
Having said that, I find the bit where the woman says:
"Another crooked smile. Is music a disease? Or is it just living in these soap opera times. They all end up depressives obsessive about their deluded goal. Is this me? Is this everyone in every crap commerce? Everyone without love brought up in violence and drunkeness? Why am I depressed? Work hard endless, endless no reward, 5,000 I'm owed. Music, music I belong to music. Why are there so many shit people in music?"
slightly annoying.
danjo - June 10, 2004 12:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Stephen @ Jun 10 2004, 11:57 PM) |
Having said that, I find the bit where the woman says:
"Another crooked smile. Is music a disease? Or is it just living in these soap opera times. They all end up depressives obsessive about their deluded goal. Is this me? Is this everyone in every crap commerce? Everyone without love brought up in violence and drunkeness? Why am I depressed? Work hard endless, endless no reward, 5,000 I'm owed. Music, music I belong to music. Why are there so many shit people in music?"
slightly annoying. |
Isnt that julia who speaks this part??
Stephen - June 10, 2004 12:46 PM (GMT)
Is it Julia speaking? Can anyone confirm this?
In the meantime, some other interesting(?) things about this album:
1. the recurrence of chips: The Caterer’s “Chicken and chips off the bone”, Enigrammatic Dream’s “chip greasy new decadence”.
2. Mark’s third Richard Madeley reference: The CD In Your Hand joins North West Fashion Show and live versions of A Past Gone Mad in the list of songs mapping out a continuing R.M. fixation.
3. These fine lyrics: “You and your father. Their respected faces appear gigantic left and right above the city skyline. Like Hawkman or Lex Luthor”.
4. Weird, stuttering rhythms of The Caterer.
5. Use of Sleep Debt Snatches as a backing track.
danjo - June 10, 2004 01:05 PM (GMT)
its the same voice on that american poet track too. the one that goes "the world dont need another mark e smith"....etc Am pretty sure its julia but ya never know :huh:
Stephen - June 10, 2004 01:14 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (danjo @ Jun 10 2004, 01:05 PM) |
| its the same voice on that american poet track too. the one that goes "the world dont need another mark e smith"....etc Am pretty sure its julia but ya never know :huh: |
What's that bit about, anyway? Was anyone suggesting there might/could be another Mark E. Smith?
Stephen - June 11, 2004 08:28 AM (GMT)
6. The way The Caterer effortlessly fashions a new track out of an old one (Free Range).
7. The elegant way the whole album is structured: it seems to flow perfectly.
8. Helicopter noises on The Horror In Clay: intentional sound effects or happy accident?
9. The way Mark deadpans re: Irvine Welsh’s Edinburgh childhood.
10. Brave mixture of minimalism and multi-layered bits.
11. Unexpected use of Fall tapes (and in surprising places).
12. The way the album seems to make perfect sense despite/because of all the fractured narratives.
13. The way the mistakes have been left in.
14. The way the other voices blend so well with Mark’s (especially that lovely Scottish accent).
15. The way different background ambiences affect how you listen to Mark’s voice: it’s as if you can hear the room he’s in.
16. The way you can sometimes hear Mark turning the pages of his script.
17. His compelling, hypnotic voice.
gappy tooth - June 11, 2004 08:57 AM (GMT)
18. The way he says "right-" at the end of a line in Dissolute singer - as if he's turning to say to the band "right, let's do that again, but a little more staccato on the break, ya fuckers", then realising that they're not there.
19. "I assure you, I was not stoned. My grant's run out"
20. The fact that I still can't really fathom exactly what's happening on Bobby & Poet, after all this time.
Stephen - June 11, 2004 09:43 AM (GMT)
Also love the way Mark says "Hmm!" at one point.
worthless recluse - June 11, 2004 11:44 AM (GMT)
Voted for The Horror in Clay, nice modernisation of Lovecraft.
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7. The elegant way the whole album is structured: it seems to flow perfectly.
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Funny, I only really appreciated the record after playing it on shuffle, which frees you from trying to put a narritive together from the multi-part pieces. Remember - this was supposed to be a double :o
Also, I prefer PPP, a lot more colourful soundwise.
Stephen - June 11, 2004 12:37 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (worthless recluse @ Jun 11 2004, 11:44 AM) |
| Remember - this was supposed to be a double :o |
Really?? Blimey! Where did you read that??
Mr Sheps - June 11, 2004 06:36 PM (GMT)
Yes, last line about Irvine Welsh is great.
It is a very hypnotic recording and I agree that there are similarities with William Burroughs.
Over
danjo - June 11, 2004 11:32 PM (GMT)
I love that bit in "a lot in a name" where mes keeps saying" whos that creepin round my hall?...cats! caaaaattts!" very strange! mes obviousley a cat lover...or not??? :huh: who knows?
Stephen - June 15, 2004 12:59 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (danjo @ Jun 11 2004, 11:32 PM) |
| I love that bit in "a lot in a name" where mes keeps saying" whos that creepin round my hall?...cats! caaaaattts!" very strange! mes obviousley a cat lover...or not??? :huh: who knows? |
I think he's gone on record as being a cat fan, yes. Lots of 1980s interview have cats plodding around Mark 'n' Brix's house.
danjo - June 15, 2004 11:57 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Stephen @ Jun 16 2004, 12:59 AM) |
| QUOTE (danjo @ Jun 11 2004, 11:32 PM) | | I love that bit in "a lot in a name" where mes keeps saying" whos that creepin round my hall?...cats! caaaaattts!" very strange! mes obviousley a cat lover...or not??? :huh: who knows? |
I think he's gone on record as being a cat fan, yes. Lots of 1980s interview have cats plodding around Mark 'n' Brix's house.
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i love cats! :D
danjo - June 15, 2004 11:58 PM (GMT)
I also like certain dogs too.........but thats another story! :wacko:
Stephen - June 16, 2004 07:27 AM (GMT)
Other great bits on this album:
• The way Mark's voice is speeded up and slowed down on Enigrammatic Dream, ending with a beautifully decelerating "Sparta".
• The fact that The CD In Your Hand is a track about holding this very CD.
• How wise he sounds: "...the sciences one day, some say it is already upon us, will eventually open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we will either go mad from the revelation or flee into blissful sleep, peace and safety of another new dark age."
Stephen - June 16, 2004 01:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Stephen @ Jun 11 2004, 12:37 PM) |
| QUOTE (worthless recluse @ Jun 11 2004, 11:44 AM) | | Remember - this was supposed to be a double :o |
Really?? Blimey! Where did you read that??
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I NEED to know more about this! Was it really due to be a double or is this a joke?