Anyone here got a copy? Is it any cop? I believe it's videos from 1985-1990. Any highlights?

Its great.

Stuff from Kurious Oranj, Hit The North is superb with the band atop a Blackpool tram; Hey! Luciani is disturbing; Ghost in my House filmed in the Woodthorpe Hotel near Heaton Park and features Mark in green jacket and wellies as poltergeists hurl cups against the wall ;Victoria is tremendous and features Mike Clark as turn of the Century footballer whilst Mark and Brix appear to be in Lord Nelson and Lady Hamilton mode; Cruisers Creek features the office party from hell (Mongs Incorporated!) .

Only let down is Couldn't Get Ahead.

also mr pharmacist is great!

ciao
marco

Although I'm not fond of videos--I see them as an especially idiotic promotional tool--I had to get it, being a Fall fanatic. And to be fair, there are some interesting things here and there--the further they get away from an MTV mentality, the better it gets. The ending of Cruisers Creek is deliciously dark and troubling.

Lucifer has some references to child sexual abuse or something doesn't it-some (faux) news headlines blowing in the wind sort of thing

VHS8489 - 1984 to 1989 Martin! :rolleyes:

It's great. Cruisers Creek is the high point.

I am just back from Australia and there was a Leigh Bowry exibition on in the Sydney Museum of Contemporary Art. Of course i went along to see if there was any Fall related items etc., and behold there was a large screen showing Big New Prinz and Wrong Place Right Time (Excellent quality) with a nice comfortable couch facing it. there was a fair number of people watching the videos and looking bemused, looking amused, smiling. It was interesting to watch peoples reactions to the videos. they also showed excerpts of New Puritan which also feat. The Falls music.

I caught New Puritans - the Michael Clarke ballet - in Dublin roughly 2 years ago. It was really good and the music worked really well!, unfortunately it doesn't come across near as good on video.

It would be great if VHS8489 was released on DVD

There are some great touches in the videos - the 'it is windy' sign in the background to explain why Leigh Bowery falls over, crockery being flung at MES in 'Ghost', Brix's lovey dovey cute face as she admires her hubby in Victoria. Also, Mark skulking around outdoors with a carrier bag, dressed normally (for him) but having the aura of some sort of religious extremist.

Top stuff.

It's on the second to last Fall search page on Amazon.co.uk for £16.

Saw it the other month in a secondhand music shop in Chippenham for £6.99. Needless to say I didn't buy it, I really could kick myself sometimes.

I'm a little more critical on this one.

I really like the vids for Wrong Place, Right Time and Big New Prinz. They're the best things on the tape.

I DO NOT LIKE the awful sound effects that they dub over the music in the vid for Victoria. I think that's cheesy and bad. It's a real "80s" MTV kind of thing that I hate. Is there some reason why we must hear the sound of Brix's dress drag across the floor, or a creaking of a cabinet door? NO! Plus, it's a stupid video anyway. There's no point to it except, let's play dress up. They look cute in the costumes but that's about it. The cake idea was dumb.

Crusier's Creek and Mr. Pharmacist are annoying in that each looks like the other. It's almost as if they had leftover footage and someone said "Let's make another video from whatever we have left on the cutting room floor." In both cases, each video could've used some tightening up in the editing dept, with more direction and focus. As individual videos they're mediocre. Taken together they're very tedious. Leigh Bowery looks interesting but all he really does is walk around. I thought the best parts were Mark speaking into the megaphone and Karl Burns playing with the venetian blinds.

When you compare the two similar looking videos of Cruiser's Creek and Mr. Pharmacist, to the two equally similar looking videos for Wrong Place and Big Prinz, it's interesting to see that the Kurious Oranj material comes off better. I think whoever was the director for the Oranj material did a better job at choosing a variety of angles and images to make the two similar videos appear less alike. I don't know if the director for Cruiser and Pharm actually set out to make two videos or just one, but it doesn't look like he set out to make two.

The videos in which The Fall do not appear at all, like Lucifer Over Lancashire and Hey Luciani, seem even more cheap to me. I much prefer the ones in which the Fall actually appear, like Hit The North and Ghost In My House...etc. If a video doesn't have the actual band in it, the least they could do was give you something progressivley interesting to look at instead of the same repetetive images over and over.

One of the best Fall videos I saw isn't even available to consumers. I saw the 15 Ways video ONCE on tv on a trip to Toronto Canada and never saw it again.

Of the videos they've made available I'd say PERVERTED dvd is best, VHS8489 is 2nd best, and SHIFTWORK is the least best. But they are all the Fall and therefore, essential to me. They also have a couple of songs on the SNUB TV tapes. Of these, the Deadbeat Descendants video is the better one.

My absolute favourite part of that vid is in the Lucifer Over Lancashire "promo" if you will :lol:
The title appears with a fiery background behind half the title and a white background behind the rest, and it switches on every repetition of the title... cracks me up every time :lol: I think this was what Mark was getting at in one interview when he said he wanted Fall videos to look like Open University programmes with just a graph on screen for several minutes.
Also I scored my copy free, via a niece of Irish singer Pierce Turner who was signed to Beggars for a while :applaud:

Thanks for the comments. I've ordered it from Eil.com ( can't remember the exact name ) 15 quid plus postage, etc. Of course I would have bought it whatever you lot had said. But it¡s good to read comments.

Which happens in the "Wings" video, albeit briefly: "A small alteration of the past..."

I asked this before but got no reply - does anyone know who the geezer is walking with the band smoking a fag at the start of the Eat y'self Fitter vid? And come to think of it, who's the guy who plays "the manager"?

What's the Shiftwork video like?

Any ideas if Beggars Banquet will reissue this on DVD?

They should do a 2 disc set along the lines of the Palais DVD - that would be worth getting hold of. :)

Good call...like A Sides with a DVD included?

I'd need to check what was on the original video, but they would make a good pairing all the same.

I know it's a bit premature but are Beggars considering this as a reissue on DVD? Or in fact any other DVD stuff to augment their reissues?

Also do they have the tapes to the full shows of the live tracks that are included on HPAK?...now that would be fantastic in addition to the top album reissues.

The Dutch film of the Kurious show would be an excellent addition to that package.

I mentioned both these to Steve at Beggars some time ago, when we first started talking about Fall reissues. At the moment efforts are being concentrated on the first 2 albums. No doubt, we'll talk about these videos again, a bit further down the track.

And the Luciani footage that's been doing the rounds in exhibitions recently. It sounds like an edited film rather than a single-spot audience rec.