cm24
Posted: Jan 23 2004, 04:39 AM
I was wondering when the date of first contact happened. I know it happened in the movie first contact, although i can't recall the specific date, but I was reading a few chronologys on the internet and they didn't even mention the events of the movie. they said that it happened when a vessal found 40 or so vulcans, brought them to earth, then took them back to vulcan. these chronologys were very difficult to understand, possibly from the range of sources used. Was it one of these, or was it something entirly different?
Natima Lang
Posted: Jan 23 2004, 05:18 AM
I'm not entirely sure, but I suspect what you read on the internet came from some of the old TOS novels (such as those written by Diane Duane). Back before the Star Trek canon became so well developed, the novelists were often left to make up their own histories. The novels even had their own Klingon and Romulan cultures back then, since the definitive information didn't exist back then. These same cultures were even developed from author to author, in some cases.
I seem to recall reading, in one of the old TOS novels, a scenario for the first contact with Vulcan where a Federation ship (or was it just Earth at the time?) found a Vulcan ship in distress and aided them, returning them home. I would not swear to it, but I think I may have read that in Diane Duane's book Spock's World.
Of course, this scenario has since been overruled by The Powers That Be. Unfortunately, I can't remember the actual year for First Contact, but I'm sure it's stated in the movie.
cm24
Posted: Jan 23 2004, 05:53 AM
Your probably right. I seem to remember a referance to TOS and other books in the chronology. Were can one find a reliable timeline for Star Trek, me wonders?
HarryKim
Posted: Jan 23 2004, 09:00 AM
The humans made first contact with the Vulcans in 2050.
Natima Lang
Posted: Jan 23 2004, 02:29 PM
Perhaps the Okudas' Star Trek Chronology is still updated? Not sure, but I know when I owned a copy, that was one of the best efforts.
matrix resequencer
Posted: Jan 23 2004, 10:15 PM
QUOTE (HarryKim @ Jan 23 2004, 09:00 AM)
The humans made first contact with the Vulcans in 2050.
Actually the humans made first contact in the year 2063, it says so in the movie(First contact). April 4th(I think) 2063.
Natima Lang
Posted: Jan 24 2004, 01:43 AM
Was April 4th the day they arrived (the day before First Contact), or was it actually THE day? I can't remember either!
:BORG:
cm24
Posted: Jan 24 2004, 06:33 AM
No, no,Natima is right. The crew of enterprise arrived the day before first contact, April 4, making the date of FC April 5. I have the movie, and just went and looked. So, in canon, FC with any species not from Earth occured April 5, 2063. Yes, No?
HarryKim
Posted: Jan 24 2004, 05:34 PM
QUOTE (matrix resequencer @ Jan 23 2004, 11:15 PM)
QUOTE (HarryKim @ Jan 23 2004, 09:00 AM)
The humans made first contact with the Vulcans in 2050.
Actually the humans made first contact in the year 2063, it says so in the movie(First contact). April 4th(I think) 2063.
Enterprise is supposed to be set 100 years after first contact and Enterprise starts in the year 2150.....
Natima Lang
Posted: Jan 24 2004, 09:58 PM
That's a serious rounding error. But then, Berman and Braga (B & B...sounds like a can of mushrooms...) don't care much for canon, from what I've seen...
cm24
Posted: Jan 24 2004, 11:34 PM
Wow! How can they completly disregard canon like that? If it was me, I would want to refer to it as much as possible. That borders on ignorance!
HarryKim
Posted: Jan 24 2004, 11:36 PM
What exactly do you mean with canon? Canon as in a big gun?
cm24
Posted: Jan 25 2004, 07:04 PM
Canon-
1.An ecclesiastical law or code of laws established by a church council.
2.A secular law, rule, or code of law.
3.An established principle: the canons of polite society.
4.A basis for judgment; a standard or criterion.
5.A group of literary works that are generally accepted as representing a field: “the durable canon of American short fiction” (William Styron).
6.The works of a writer that have been accepted as authentic: the entire Shakespeare canon.
Star Trek canon, from what I understand, is the workable and practical history of Star Trek, wich the majority of people feel is correct.
Does that answer your question?
HarryKim
Posted: Jan 25 2004, 09:33 PM
QUOTE (cm24 @ Jan 25 2004, 08:04 PM)
Canon-
1.An ecclesiastical law or code of laws established by a church council.
2.A secular law, rule, or code of law.
3.An established principle: the canons of polite society.
4.A basis for judgment; a standard or criterion.
5.A group of literary works that are generally accepted as representing a field: “the durable canon of American short fiction” (William Styron).
6.The works of a writer that have been accepted as authentic: the entire Shakespeare canon.
Star Trek canon, from what I understand, is the workable and practical history of Star Trek, wich the majority of people feel is correct.
Does that answer your question?
Yeah it does but yeah that's strange they don't follow the timeline... let's call the temporal time police :P
matrix resequencer
Posted: Jan 25 2004, 11:24 PM
We should report them for a violation of the Temporal Prime directive. On the other hand we could just all believe what we know and leave it at that. Before First contact(The movie) there is little to no mention of when the date of First contact took place.
HarryKim
Posted: Jan 26 2004, 08:57 AM
That's true, a lot of things have changed during all series....
matrix resequencer
Posted: Jan 31 2004, 04:30 AM
Agreed...
Captain Johnathan Archer
Posted: Feb 28 2004, 08:02 PM
I like the warp flight of cochrane and the music he played on lift off. The other parts are really well done.
HarryKim
Posted: Feb 29 2004, 02:07 AM
^couldn't agree more!
K'Tar KorDaS
Posted: Mar 2 2004, 05:09 PM
Vulcans were the first extraterrestrials to be encountered by the people of the planet Earth. On April 4, 2063, a Vulcan survey ship passed through Earth's solar system at the same time that Zefram Cochrane made his first faster-than-light spaceflight test in the Phoenix. The Vulcan ship detected the Phoenix's warp signature and realized that humans had discovered warp drive.
On the evening of the next day, the Vulcan ship touched down near Cochrane's launch site in Montana, USA. On April 5, 2063, Vulcans made first contact with humankind.
From the Star Trek Enclclopedia...
Unfortunately, I could only retrieve the first page of 2.
