Deleted all of the posts and WHY?

I removed that SIG you placed without my permission on my nick..
Id like to know who deleted the posts - if it was not the main forum admin of this forum then shame on you for doing so.. You may not like how he does things but thats no excuse to remove someone elses forum posts.

I hope no one blindly goes over to the "new" forums without being given an explaination as to why all posts were deleted from these boards. Its possible its even been a lame attempt to take over these boards and get users on the new forums which is wrong in more ways then one.
I think the regular posters here deserve a full explaination in to what is going on, and why, the story behind the story, if its foul play on the part of the owners of TNZ then that does not bode well for those forums.. I for one will not be joining any other until I get an explaination.

I have no explanation for you other than Jon is a very, very rude person.

I will be speaking to IF about getting out posts restored.

I have a piece of advice for you.

Next time, ONE admin.

Do not give ANYONE else admin powers. This is a VERY quick way to get stuff screwed up. And when you hand out mod powers, be careful with it.

Indeed. Wise words for all to follow in everything really.

Never give out car keys to a stranger, I guess. :lol:

Absolutely. The only sure way to keep a secret is to tell no one...and not to trust again those who betray your trust once.

I certainly wish you luck in recovering from the damage that has been done. I would offer to help--except I know I have not got the skills or knowledge to be of any use.

The only way we are ever going to get any peace around here is to have consistent leadership from ONE person. The chain of command has got to be clear and absolute, so that no one can seize power or abuse what's given to them. Hence, not giving too much power.

This may be the "Cardassian" in me, but I think it's true, and incidents like this prove it.

I should add that Captain Mike is still suspended. Could you please fix that for him?

Hey, I re-registered....
why was i suspended, I thought we worked things out MT.

I unsuspended a Captain Mike, however, there are two as I now see. I'll fix it right away. :)

Personally I think you should stay banned, especially after reading your forums and the bagging of STCHAT you have done there..

Don't be fooled, Captain Mike is as in on the whole forum deletion as anyone else who was envolved.

Anyone who joins his forum is basically stating that they think going in and deleting someone elses forum boards is the right thing to do..
Wake up guys it is WRONG no matter what took place NOTHING condons the actions of screwing up someone elses boards, and deleting the posts that the members here have worked hard on over a long period of time to create.

You kids need to wake up and realise how WRONG this was, if you didn't like these boards and how they were admined all you had to do was say so and then be on your way NOT DELETE THE ENTIRE FORUM OVER IT. If you did this I think you would find a few people may have been more receptive to joining your forums as well as remaining here.. instead you've all just made yourselves look like spoiled kids throwing a temper tantrum. Good luck in running your own boards, if your actions here are anything to go by your going to need it!

What was said, exactly? Have you got links to these threads?

Just a sec and ill find it but basically Captain Mike was yelling at someone for helping here who is also a member on his forums.. how childish can you get?

Quote was written by Captain Mike on their forum boards..

Would rather not link the boards here.. because well that would actually be giving them a link, I can PM it to you though if you wish?

Sure, if you like.

Done check your inbox :)

Having looked at that, it looks suspiciously as though the forum in question was intended by Jon and Captain Mike to try to REPLACE Star Trek Chat!

Now that is not right...and if this is the case, I strongly suggest MT not allow ANYONE ELSE admin access, under ANY circumstances (which I would've recommended anyway).

In fact, I would not even hand out moderating powers to anybody else, or at least not to those two. You may think that's too much work...but you'd be surprised how much one person can actually handle, if you're willing to put in the time committment.

Well Id say dont give anyone GLOBAL moderation.. at least that way no one can ever delete every single post again the worst they could do is maybe delete a section or two

Probably the best idea, you're right. Global moderation is only for instances of extreme trust, and judging from what I've seen in my long time at this forum, that trust cannot exist here.

While I do not want to put the exact text of the e-mail I received here, out of "privacy" considerations that I probably shouldn't even bother making, I just found in my e-mail a mail from Captain Mike saying basically...

STC sucks, are you going to go over to that certain forum he now owns, because everybody else is.

I think this pretty much seals it, Kas.

Do you think that they just dont realise what they are doing???
By saying STC sucks they are basically saying that -we- suck.. what makes a forum community are the MEMBERS and POSTERS of that forum.. we are the one who post the chit chat that you find and read all over the boards.. By deleting those posts its not the ADMIN they are hurting but the general community who spend hours reading, responding, researching, thinking over and working on the posts that they have created here which now.. in the blink of an eye have been taken off us for no reason what so ever..
I ask them now WHAT DID WE, THE COMMUNITY ever do to -you- Captain Mike and Jon to deserve our hard work deleted on us??

I second this, especially now that I truly understand what is going on.

I may not have been as frequent a poster as the people who spent all the time in the RPGs or commented on every little thread, but I DO care about this place, and I truly resent the slams against us all, and the deletion of all that we have contributed.

I am still trying to retrieve what I can, but much has been lost, thanks to this disgusting, irrational move.

I move that Captain Mike and Jon not be allowed to regain administrative powers, under ANY circumstances...and suggest that NO additional administrators be allowed, at all, nor global mods.

ok just to say this...you two are on the wrong side,me and Mike did the best to keep STC until Mt came into play and ruined,literally ruined STC...we just made it so he doesnt do more...i know...i am sorry i did this...but it had to be done...and Mt ruined the STC we knew before he came...dont you get it?

You aren't excused in what you did regardless of the circumstances, and you have more than proven your irresponsibility. Regardless of what "ruining" the others did, you are the only ones who TRULY ruined this community by destroying its very core--the messages that make it what it is.

MT is not the one who wiped out the archives. You did.

MT is not the one who badmouthed his own forum. You and Captain Mike did.

All you did, instead of making it "so he doesn't do more" was to make it so that NO ONE can do anything anymore--or so you thought.

Simply deciding, I don't like something, so I'll destroy it so no one else can have it is about the most babyish thing you can possibly do.

You thought NOTHING about the other members of this board. You thought only of yourselves, and your own selfish wishes. As I said, you have proven yourselves completely incapable of handling a responsibility of this nature.

By the way, I knew who did the deletion, but I wasn't going to embarrass you publicly until you just now stuck your neck out and admitted what you did.

you dont understand,do you?

Talking down to me is not going to get you anywhere; you have done nothing to counteract any of the points I have made, and it is plain for anyone to see.

You have forgotten that MT is the one who ran this forum before Captain Mike or anybody else ever got into it. As the founder, it was his property to do with as he saw fit, not yours, nor anyone else's.

You have still offered no response to the fact that you failed completely to think about the rest of us on this board, and did all of this without consulting anybody else. A much more mature course of action, had you felt that STC was in great danger of dying, would have been to do one of two things: to work WITH MT to actively improve things (that is, to voice your concerns to him and work WITH him, NOT simply throw a temper tantrum and go around deleting things without anybody's permission), or to work WITH him to discuss moving over to TNZ, and then submitting it to be voted on openly by the rest of us on this board.

What you did, in comparison, was inconsiderate, selfish, and thoughtless. Maybe you thought you were doing good at the time--I don't know, I wasn't in your head--but you need to suck it up now, admit you were wrong, and take the sanctions against you like a man instead of trying to rationalize further. You're only digging yourself a bigger hole the more you continue on your current course.

Exactly WHAT do you mean by ruined? Just because a few people no longer had the power anymore?? Who cares what your status is its the posts and the community that counts not your power.. clearly your power means more to you then the community of people who chat here because if you had any reguard for the community of people you never would have destroyed their posts.

No matter what you do or say REMOVING THE POSTS without so much as even a warning to anyone is inexcusable no one even had a chance to make a back up of the posts they have made here..

There have been no signs anywhere on the forums of them being "ruined" thats all in -your- head. The threads where still here, the posts where still here, we were all still posting and having fun thats what a forum is for so how is that ruined?? What you did has wrecked it not what anyone else has done or not done.. All you did was throw a temper tantrum which has now effected everyone who posts here. You give no evidence of anything else taking place and yet keep claiming that it had been ruined.

Some people irritate me to no end. Seriously.

With all respect, this is not my forum, nor is it anyone else's. I explicitly stated that when I created this forum, that it should be considered "Open Source" and owned only by its members. That was my dream, a dream for a Star Trek Chat for the users. That was in my very first post, which was clearly deleted even before all this.

I, unfortauntly, I had a very serious accident in my family some months ago, and I've not been able to maintain this, and thus, I handed it to another Admin that I trusted dearly. But, as with everyone, he made a mistake and handed powers to the wrong person when he himself had family issues to attend to.

As promised, I came back to make sure my dream was still on its course, but I was appauled to see the state it was in. Not only could you only browse the forum well with IE (through all the extraneous JS) the entire forum was infested with unprofessionalism, racial comments, and just rude things...everywhere. That is not my dream, and so I took control of it, plain and simple. I actually did ask for the other admin's help at a few points, but I was refused. What happened is my fault in part, I could have prevented the post deletion had I had seen a global moderator was left, but I didn't. The past is the past, now, though.

I sincerely hope that everyone can learn a lesson from this, myself included, and help recreate STChat: our dream to create the best Star Trek Chat.

I am sorry about what happened in your family. :/

As for that "open source" post, it probably was deleted before I got here, hence my assumption that this was your property.

I don't hold you personally responsible for the post deletion, because you were not the one who made that poor decision, and I do agree that it's time to move on now that the guilty individuals will not be interfering anymore.

Agreed. Time that this come to a close.