Title: Warhammer movie ideas
Description: Discussion of the month
@ztech - November 10, 2007 08:20 PM (GMT)
No poll this month, but a discussion. Let's get some activity back.
If they were going to make a Warhammer movie (I think it's unlikely, but let's just imagine), which existing characters should form "the party of adventurers"?
According to the International Code of Heroic Fantasy, the members of the party must belong to several different races and each must have a particular use (we need warriors, at least one wizard, some kind of ranger / assassin / thief, etc).
First off, we must decide how many people are in the party. Five or six sounds good to me: we can have a bit of everything while allowing in-depth character development.
As for the characters themselves, I say that Teclis must be part of the party: we need an Elven mage, after all. Besides, Teclis is used to travel everywhere throughout the world, a bit like Gandalf (except that he doesn't have a beard). He's a better choice than his brother: Tyrion's style is to command armies, not to follow a party.
Who else should join?
KingTut - November 10, 2007 08:39 PM (GMT)
I think that if they DIDN"T do this and went with a different apprach you would get a lot less crap thrown at warhammer for being too tolkieny. So a cadre of a race and a narrative of one campaign in warhammer lore would be a good movie plot for me.
@ztech - November 10, 2007 09:33 PM (GMT)
Maybe, but whatever we do, we must manage to show the Warhammer world as a whole, and a multi-race party that travels very far is a good way to do it. If we focus only on the HE-DE conflict, for example, we miss a lot of a very complex universe. The central setting for a Warhammer movie should be the Empire (with Chaos as the main enemy), but of course we must find ways to involve all other races. Having a quest-like adventure doesn't exclude a war story: in The Lord of the Rings, like in most Tolkien-inspired fantasy, there are both a quest and a war.
Perhaps a mod should change the title of this topic for 'Warhammer movie ideas', or something like that. Why can't we members change our topic titles by ourselves? <_<
Edit: What's wrong about being tolkieny, KingTut?
Swordsalot - November 11, 2007 01:37 AM (GMT)
I disagree: firstly because if a Warhammer movie was made it would probably be about (previously) nameless soldiers. There might be cameos by the big characters, but the bulk of the characters will be nobodies.
I'd also prefer it if they picked only 2-3 races. GW doesn't handle the huge conflicts well. For example, I think one of the best summer campaigns was the one with the fewest races, Armageddon. The story there actually made sense. Compare it to storm of chaos: where they have about 10 races fighting over the same area at the same time, and simultaneous attacks between every other race.
Storylines just flow better if there's a limit on characters, rather than a poor attempt to cram everyone in.
Burro Boskov - November 11, 2007 05:41 AM (GMT)
Same with Nemesis Crown. If the armies were really as big as they were portraying them in the fluff, it was a miracle that they didn't meet immediately as the went into the Great Forest.
Burro Boskov
@ztech - November 11, 2007 02:02 PM (GMT)
We don't necessarily have to cram in every race and every place. But if we have to drop, say, the Bretonnians, there should be at least one Bretonnian character in the story, just to show that they exist and what they're like.
I agree with you, Swordsalot, that the main characters should be nobodies. The Lord of the Rings wouldn't have been as good if the bearer of the ring had been Gandalf. But the thing is that GW almost never includes nobodies in its backstory and its campaigns: history seems to be made only by great kings and heroes. It would be nice if, one day, an insignificant-looking person turned the tide of a campaign.
KingTut - November 11, 2007 02:14 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| What's wrong about being tolkieny, KingTut? |
Well its been done 4+ times in movie format for one thing. And I dont want people calling warhammer a cheap knockoff of lordof the rings. And I dont want what happened to dungeons and dragons happening to my warhammer.
In short
NO WANT
Seriously a warhammer movie should be similar to how swordsalot described it. Focusing on a limited group of characters with maximum 4 races thrown in.
Tyrion - November 12, 2007 07:59 PM (GMT)
Making a movie out of storm of chaos would be nice. They could concentrate on the story as whole without beeing to race-specific :).
@ztech - November 12, 2007 10:58 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Tyrion @ Nov 12 2007, 02:59 PM) |
| Making a movie out of storm of chaos would be nice. They could concentrate on the story as whole without beeing to race-specific :). |
Not sure about this. There's some weird stuff in Storm of Chaos, like Grimgor beating the crap out of Archaon and then just walking away without finishing him off.
The problem with GW campaigns is that whoever wins, the Warhammer world stays virtually unchanged. Storm of Chaos was supposed to be the largest Chaotic invasion since the time of Magnus the Pious, but all in all it didn't have much effect.
The best would probably be what Chili does in his RPG's: a "small" story, as opposed to an earth-shaking war that tears the world apart.
Tyrion - November 13, 2007 04:04 PM (GMT)
Well, the story can be altered :). The lord of the rings movie has lots taken out of them compared to the books. Same could be done here. Or one could make a movie about an older invasion, like the times of magnus the pious :).
@ztech - November 13, 2007 08:33 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Tyrion @ Nov 13 2007, 11:04 AM) |
| The lord of the rings movie has lots taken out of them compared to the books. |
No one will complain about the removal of Tom Bombadil...
There should be at least two villains who are not on the same side. Maybe a Chaotic one and an undead one, just to show the two kinds of evil.
Who led the Great Incursion and what happened to him?
Luc_Arkhame - November 13, 2007 08:36 PM (GMT)
Speak for yourself @ztech, Bombadil made the books what they are.
As to the answer of that question, I think that was Asavar Kul.
bigbeewolf - November 20, 2007 12:52 PM (GMT)
Simple suggestion- adapt the Konrad* books. Gives you enough of a mix of adventure and questing for the geeks, and plenty of war, blood and sex for everyone else. Plus the storyline is nice and dark, and its a ready-made trilogy.
As for Asvr Kul, I believe Magnus the Pious dealt with him.
*- They were amongst the first Warhammer books released, back in 1993/ 1994.
Benedictus - November 26, 2007 11:59 AM (GMT)
Or Storm of Chaos, but toning down the EVERYBODY GETS TO PLAY REALLY HONEST and concentrating on the Empire. Whose war it was, after all.
But I am an Empire player, so this comment was to be expected.