This 1,000 point force is essentially a cut down version of the earlier 2,000 point one.


HEROES

Noble, additional hand weapon, waywatcher kindred, hail of doom arrow - 144 pts.


CORE UNITS

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

10 Glade Guard - 120 pts.

5 Scouts - 85 pts.


SPECIAL UNITS

6 Wardancers - 108 pts.

3 Tree Kin - 195 pts.


RARE UNITS

6 Waywatchers - 144 pts.


TOTAL - 988 pts.





Thanks for reading this far, any comments?

Personally I think Waywatchers are a little 'heavy' for 1000 points. In large games you can be okay with a six-man Rare unit of 144 points, but when you play 1000, you have to emphasize on relatively cheap Core units. That's my opinion, at any rate.

So, something more like this maybe?



HEROES

Spellsinger, level 2 wizard, calaingor's stave, dispel scroll - 175 pts.


CORE UNITS

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

10 Glade Guard - 120 pts.

10 Glade Guard - 120 pts.

5 Scouts - 85 pts.


TOTAL - 788 pts.


This is meant to be more of an intermediate, I carried across all the core units from the larger army and replaced the noble with the more expensive spellsinger.

Anyway, is that any better?

The first army is better in my opinion. The wardancers and the treekin add a little punch into the list. Although I would use glade riders/wild riders instead of the treekin myself. Also, a noble is better in 1k armies than a spellsinger. Still, neither of the list are bad. I dont think it´s even possible to make bad lists with the current WE :D .

I've looked at it and gone through a lot of options. I want to include all the core units from my 2k list (not just to make the army cheaper to buy). I think this is ok, but I would like comments, and I still have 167 points to make up.



HEROES

Noble, wardancer kindred, an annoyance of netlings - 130 pts.


CORE UNITS

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

10 Glade Guard - 120 pts.

10 Glade Guard - 120 pts.

5 Scouts - 85 pts.


SPECIAL UNITS

5 Wardancers - 90 pts. (lead by noble)


Current TOTAL - 833 pts.


So, what do you think?

You could get another set of Dryads and have four units of 9 instead of three of 8.

If you wish more variety, get a Spellsinger or 4 Warhawk Riders.

I like the idea for the dryads, but I want this army to be more of a steeping stone to my larger 2k army. I can't really think of any use for warhawk riders in a 1k army, but I like the idea of a spellsinger, particularly if I can keep at least one treesinger from my 2k list.

So, how's this?


HEROES

Noble, wardancer kindred, an annoyance of netlings - 130 pts.

Spellsinger, level 2 wizard, calaingor's stave - 150 pts.


CORE UNITS

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

10 Glade Guard - 120 pts.

10 Glade Guard - 120 pts.

5 Scouts - 85 pts.


SPECIAL UNITS

5 Wardancers - 90 pts. (lead by noble)


TOTAL - 983 pts.

Personally I would have gone for either glade riders/wild riders, but you dont want them. Other than that, more troops (wardancers/dryads). 2 units of wardancers can be really nasty :).

I've been thinking, would it be worth having the mage in an army this size? or should I replace him with the unit of warhawk riders from my 2k list?

If I were you I'd go with the Warhawk Riders.

So, now the list is:


HEROES

Noble, wardancer kindred, an annoyance of netlings - 130 pts.


CORE UNITS

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

8 Dryads - 96 pts.

10 Glade Guard - 120 pts.

10 Glade Guard - 120 pts.

5 Scouts - 85 pts.


SPECIAL UNITS

5 Wardancers - 90 pts. (lead by noble)

3 Warhawk Riders - 120 pts.


TOTAL - 953 pts.


Any recommendations for what I should do with the remaining 47 points? Please bear in mind I don;t want to have to buy anything I would use in my 2k list.

More wardancers, seeing that the noble goes in that unit and all :).

I've decided to get rid of the Scouts form all but my border patrol list, so, how;s this?


HEROES

Noble, wardancer kindred, an annoyance of netlings - 130 pts


CORE UNITS

8 Dryads - 96 pts

8 Dryads - 96 pts

8 Dryads - 96 pts

10 Glade Guard - 120 pts

10 Glade Guard - 120 pts


SPECIAL UNITS

6 Wardancers - 108 pts (lead by noble)

3 Warhawk Riders - 120 pts


TOTAL = 886 pts

Any ideas on what to do with the last 114 points?

Some horses would certainly be nice. I know you don't like em, but they are some of the best units of the wood elves.

Burro Boskov

I understand the tactical value of cavalry, but I didn't include them in my 2k list, for no better reason than I didn't like them.

I was aiming for this list to be a a step towards collecting the 2k list (starting out with a border patrol, and working up to 1k, then 1.5k and finally the full 2k list).

Because of that and the prices of the figures themselves, I don't really want to buy anything I'm only going to use in one of four lists.

For an army this size, would Tree Kin be a better option than Warhawk Riders?

If so, the list would look like this:


HEROES

Noble, wardancer kindred, an annoyance of netlings - 130 pts


CORE UNITS

8 Dryads - 96 pts

8 Dryads - 96 pts

8 Dryads - 96 pts

10 Glade Guard - 120 pts

10 Glade Guard - 120 pts


SPECIAL UNITS

6 Wardancers - 108 pts (lead by noble)

3 Tree Kin - 195 pts


TOTAL = 961 pts


How's that?

I'd go with warhawk riders as in a thousand point game you're opponent shouldn't have too many war machines or wizards and so you can direct the fliers to take these out early in the game.

:huh: ...there's probably a huge error in my logic here, but I thought that since it's unlikely I'll come across many wizards or war machines in a 1k battle, warhawk riders would be largely unused, whereas the tree kin, being the toughest and strongest unit reasonably available at this size, would be better.

Where did I go wrong?

I dont think the warhawk riders would be a good idea. You would only get a small unit due to their cost and they are way too fragile for what they do.

Do you mean, for a 1k list or just in general?

For a 1k list. In bigger armies you can have more of them :).

In my 2k and 1.5 lists, I only have 3 warhawk riders, I remember reading in some other topic about any larger unit being a waste. Could just be my selective memory ^_^ .

I've been playing around with the list and found that by dropping one wardancer from the list with the warhawk riders, I can get a unit of 5 glade riders with a musician in for a final total of 997 points.

I'm thinking of accepting Burro Boskov's suggestion...

Sounds fair, especially since glade riders are among the top fast cavalry in the entire game! Well worth having at least one unit of them :wub: . Nice models aswell that doesnt seem to be too tough to paint either.

I was thinking that once you've neutralised enemy war machines and/or pesky characters, you can marchblock, flank charge, hunt skirmishers etc. with the warhawk riders after they're free. But if you think the treekin work better then go with them.

I hadn't even though of that. I'm saying that far too much.

Thanks for the advice, I'll keep them. I'm still unsure about the Glade Riders though.

Having gotten advice from advice from the people over at Asrai.org, I've made this (still incomplete) list:


Heroes

Noble, wardancer kindred, annoyance of netlings - 130 pts

Core Units

8 Dryads - 96 pts
8 Dryads - 96 pts
10 Glade Guard - 120 pts
10 Glade Guard - 120 pts

Special Units

7 Wardancers w/ musician & bladesinger - 147pts (lead by noble)
4 Warhawk Riders - 160 pts

TOTAL = 869 pts


Any idea of what to do with the remaining 131 points? I could get a unit of 5 glade riders with a musician or a unit of 5 wild riders with a musician.

I'm not sure it would be worth buying a box If I'm only going to use the unit in one of four armies.

...Sorry for going on about it.

You could afford some scouting Glade Guards as support. Just to deal with wizards and the likes, or even war machines. Your Warhawk Riders can't be everywhere all at once, and sometimes they get stuck in close combat for longer than expected, even against seemingly weak opponents. At any rate, that's what tends to happen more often than not with my Bretonnian Pegasus Knights...

Or you could take another unit of Dryads.

In small games, it's better not to spend too many points on special and rare units. Or characters. Core units tend to be underrated, but they're the spine of your army.

Yes, but this is a spineless skirmish army. That maxim really only holds true for forces that intend to take the enemy head-on.

I would strongly recommend the Wild Riders. Having Wild Riders, Wardancers (backed by a character) and 2 units of Dryads in a 1000pt army means you will have a terrific amount of combat punch for that points level, and will contribute much more than a unit of scouts. Especially as being M9 Fast Cavalry, anything a scout can do, they can do, faster.

I'll probably add the fast cavalry then. I still feel uncomfortable paying for a unit I'm only going to use in one army, but I can't see any alternative to that if you look at my other lists. So the question now is:

Is there any reason worth, let's say, £7 to go for the wild riders over the glade riders?

Oh, in case you were wondering; yes, I am a really cheap little £$%&.

Well, wild riders are a really pumped up version of the glade riders. They have the forest spirit rule and lots of special rules that makes them fast hardhitting fast cavalry that has lots and lots of uses. My brother has recently realised their value and gotten two boxes of them :unsure: .

I'll probably stick with the glade riders, I've just re-read the rules for wild riders and however good they sound there's a couple reasons I don't want to take them; they're difficult to justify in my armies (still basic) fluff and I'd rather field more plastic figures as they're easier to paint, an activity I have very little experience in.

So, the list now:


Heroes

Noble, wardancer kindred, annoyance of netlings - 130 pts

Core Units

8 Dryads - 96 pts
8 Dryads - 96 pts
10 Glade Guard - 120 pts
10 Glade Guard - 120 pts
5 Glade Riders w/ musician - 129 pts

Special Units

7 Wardancers w/ musician & bladesinger - 147pts (lead by noble)
4 Warhawk Riders - 160 pts

TOTAL = 998 pts

Well, I don't think there's anything left to change to your list now: you polished it very well and now it shines. Good luck with it. ;)

I think it's more you, Thragka and Tyrion (and LordChilipeppa, to a certain extent) who polished it.

I would like to thank all four of you for your help. And in a few months when I've actually got round to buying, assembling, painting and playing the border patrol list (to start with) I'll let you all know how tactically inept I am ^_^

Glad to be of assistance. As for tactical ineptitude, after four years of warhammer I'm still not the sharpest crayon in the box when it comes to tactics. You'll pick things up with time - and wood elves aren't exactly a difficult army if you can get the hang of skirmishers.

Well you are more that welcome :). Glad we could help. You learn new tricks and tactics all the time. Playing is easy, mastering the game isnt.