Title: POTM: What would you sell your soul for?
@ztech - May 27, 2007 02:58 AM (GMT)
Weird question, I know... ;)
But just imagine that Slaanesh could give you any of those things...
I didn't put an option Others, because everyone would select it. Just take one of the options that are available and add what you'd want if you could have anything. There's no I wouldn't trade my soul option, because it's not funny.
As for me... being a level-4 wizard sounds cool.
But Morathi would be my second choice. :wub:
Benedictus - May 27, 2007 11:06 AM (GMT)
Foolish creature. Daemonhood automatically comes with magical energies that can increase with time and experience- and you will have opportunity to gain both with immortality. Your other options are for material things which are of no consequence if one is immortal and has no desire for food or other such trivialities.
What use is treasure when one has no need to spend it? What use is a withered elven crone if one is doomed to death? With all the ages laid out before you for your actions to come into fruition, you would have the chance to gain as much unlimited power as you can take and keep.
Daemonhood. All other choices are booby prizes, there to tempt the unwary and foolish. There is only one thing worth one's soul and that is an eternity to gain unlimited power. And maybe, if one is cunning and careful enough, even gain it back.
Thragka - May 27, 2007 11:08 AM (GMT)
Yeah, Benedictus is right here. If you're selling your soul you may as well get something appreciative in return.
LordChilipepa - May 27, 2007 11:18 AM (GMT)
Ah, but with Daemonhood, you become a (willing, I admit) slave to your patron god. I'd go for Level Four Necromancy... sure, Tzeentch, you can have my soul when I'm dead. Oh, whoops... forgot to mention, I'm a lich now...
Even if I do finally die, likelihood is that with that amount of power I'm going to become a Wraith. So I get to put two fingers up at the Chaos Gods, live my (un)life to the fullest (if Richard Dawkins was in WH, he'd be a necromancer), and generally be an insanely powerful undying megalomaniac with armies of the living dead at my command.
This is all going to have some relevance in AGE, by the way ;)
Benedictus - May 27, 2007 11:22 AM (GMT)
Chili presents a valuable point, and indeed the slavery thing is a problem. But I'm not so certain that Kemmler got the better half of that deal...did Tzeentch say 'after death' or 'after your heart has stopped beating'? And, unfortunately, it is all-too-easy to return the undead to dust. Especially for Gods.
[As an aside, I'd rather be a necromancer than a daemon. But that's because I'm all about the lonely, crumbling tower in a mountainside, performing scientific experiements for the rest of eternity. If I ever play a wizard in an RPG on this board, keep a sharp eye on me...]
LordChilipepa - May 27, 2007 11:27 AM (GMT)
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| unfortunately, it is all-too-easy to return the undead to dust. Especially for Gods. |
Yeah, but if you're a proper lich, that just means you have to wait until someone has the guts to bring you back. Your soul is bound to the physical world for all eternity.
Come to think of it, if I had the option, it would be Vampirism, not Necromancy. But no Chaos God would ever make you a Vampire, on account of how much they hate each other. I guess I'll have to sell my soul to Nagash (he's cooler than Slaanesh anyhows).
(For the record, I'd be a Von Carstein. Viz a big castle. And an evil laugh).
Thragka - May 27, 2007 11:32 AM (GMT)
Well, that depends on your interpretation of "sell your soul". I always understood it to mean that as soon as the deal is complete, the soul is "owned" by whatever entity to which you've sold it. That's why I'd prefer daemonhood, because, sure, you are enslaved, but you might not always be and you get kick-ass powers as time goes on.
You two, though, now seem to be working off some establiched fluff that the soul is only transferred after death, for a given value of death. In that case I do see your point, but it might not be entirely wise to get off on semantics with a dark god of unknown power and rage who might take offence at such a loophole and reneage on its side of the deal.
Swordsalot - May 27, 2007 01:38 PM (GMT)
or maybe they're just going off the assumption that a soul is non-existant and therefore entirely worthless?
So they're really just bickering over whether it would be better to be a powerful slave, or a weak old man in control of hordes of minions.
I'd pick necromancer: better to lead than to follow. And necromancy is just cool. What's the point in being the most powerful being on the planet if you still have to pay homage to the man upstairs?
LordChilipepa - May 27, 2007 01:45 PM (GMT)
Nah, in Warhammer the soul (or warp-shadow, or whatever) definitely exists.
My understanding of 'sell your soul' is that your soul from then on belongs to the god you sold it to - but in WH, the soul and body stick together until after death, at which point the soul is either absorbed by a god or ripped apart by the daemonic predators of the Warp. So while it technically belongs to them as soon as they've 'bought' it, they can only get their hands on it after you're dead - so you can either treat it as a Champion of Chaos would, serving them in the hope of daemonhood and/or preferential treatment after death, or you can treat it as a sort of Faustian pact. In which case, there's always the chance to cheat them.
And yes, they could probably smite you... but if you hang around near the equator where the winds of magic are weakest and keep on your guard, you'll probably do alright. Even the Chaos Gods tend to go for more indirect means than just smiting you with lightning, and if you're a mighty Von Carstein vampire or lich lord, you can probably deal with their minions without too much trouble. Barring Khorne actually turning up at your door and annihilating you, there's not much the Gods can do to a Vampire that can't be undone by some idiot with a bottle of blood and some ritual paraphernalia.
@ztech - May 27, 2007 01:49 PM (GMT)
As usual, the options weren't balanced enough... <_<
Making a poll is truly a science. A science I do not master.
Immortality is nice, but I wouldn't like to have my soul damned. You can probably sell your soul to a 'good' deity like Isha or Sigmar, rather than Slaanesh.
Spire - May 27, 2007 05:15 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (LordChilipepa @ May 27 2007, 12:18 PM) |
| Ah, but with Daemonhood, you become a (willing, I admit) slave to your patron god. |
Actually, that's a bit of a grey area. See, there is a such a thing as a daemon prince of Chaos Undivided. They aren't common I'll admit, but not all daemons are beholden to a single god. In that state you are somewhat more independant, provided you don't do anything stupid like Belakor and start claiming you're better than the Big Four, in which case you deserve all you get.
Tyrion - May 29, 2007 06:21 PM (GMT)
Give me that dwarven gold! I´ll live my mortal life in luxury and then, maybe, I can buy myself into slaanesh´s service. After all, some of the empires wealthiest people really are secretly cultists of slaanesh or something in those lines. Could maybe even convince a vampire to make me into a bloodsucker aswell since my status in society could be well worth the effort. Money buys things, that magic is too fickle anyways! :D
Act Of God - June 15, 2007 05:23 PM (GMT)
I would ask for godhood, the real question being, is it within the power of a god to bestow the power of a god upon another being? I believe it should logically be within a god's power, after all, Sigmar was a man once and ascended to godhood, why can't I?
bigbeewolf - June 18, 2007 04:42 PM (GMT)
Would I be right in thinking that Sigmar was deified, rather than turming into a god? Wasn't he just worshipped by the Empire and its ancestors? That'd still be nice, but I'd personally I'd rather not wait till I was dead before enjoying the benefits of being a god...