Hey there you guys. After playing ogres for a year and a half i was thinking that i used to play druchii and i loved it. So now i'm building a list to 7th Ed. and wanted your thoughts about it. Well the list is basically this one:

High Sorceress on Pegasus (Gen, Lvl 4, Lifetaker, HSoD, DsC) @ 405 Pts

Sorceress (Lvl 2, SoG, DS) @ 180 Pts

Noble on Pegasus (La, Rxb, HA, SDC, WoK, EnSh) @ 199 Pts

10 Warriors (Rxb, LA, Sh) @ 120 Pts

5 Dark Riders (Rxb, Mu) @ 127 Pts

5 Dark Riders (Rxb, Mus) @ 127 Pts

6 COK (FC, War Banner) @ 244 Pts

5 Shades @ 70 Pts

7 Mengil Manhide's Manflayers with Mengil (8 models) @ 325 Pts

2 Reaper Bolt Thrower @ 200 Pts

Casting Pool: 9 + Wand

Dispel Pool: 6 + DS

Models in Army: 50

Total Army Cost: 1997

Well what do you think about it? Do you guys think that it will do ok or what? The only problem is that in our touneys they don't let us use regiments of renown, so no mengil with his flayers. But i can always substitute those for another shades and harpies and still got the points to insert some more things. Well give it a go guys.

This list suffers from a very serious lack of static CR. I hope you'll never have to face Dwarves, Vampire Counts, Tomb Kings and Orcs & Goblins with it. You probably count on the Dark Riders to assist you in close combat, but it is unwise to rely on units that drop like flies even under weak missile fire.

It seems to me that your whole strategy is based on shooting and magic. I don't think it's a very good idea: most of the time, the outcome of the battle is determined by close combat. And I don't think your single unit of Cold One Knights is up to win you any game on its own.

Sorry for my bluntness, but I think this army will have a very hard time against most opponents. Unless, of course, you're an exceptional (and lucky) strategist.

modelwise the army is very small. Looks kinda like a WE army. Against more numerous enemies a refused flank tactic would be preferable :).

You could swap Mengil's Manflayers for a ranked unit about double the size - be a bit of a shooting target, but would give the static CR there. Then again, Manflayers would help with the sneaky-sneaky, disrupt-and-assist. But I'd agree with @ztech, it's pretty risky and I'd probably never be able to pull it off!

I guess that you are all right, but the idea was to weaken the enemy and in the end i could beat him with the little hammers i have... I guess that the idea of use them a little like woodies came into my mind, i mean, running from combat always and managing my own fights. The only static members from my army are the rxb's and the bolt throwers, but aren't they always? The rest should be walking in the tabletop harasing and preferably not being hurt...

I guess that it should be dificult of pull it of... but i guess that i'll try and give it a go! Let's see how it works. My friends play with lizzies, imperium, woodies, chaos, beastmen, vc's, high elves and skaven so i guess that i have much to try it on...

I'll post my battles in the future. If you guys have more to say i'll appreciate it.

My regards to all Generals!!!

Hey there, yesterday i played a game against an aliance of High Elves and Imperio. The result was a massacre to me. I've made two changes in the army, i took of the shades and inserted 5 harpies and then inserted another rxb warrior.

I killed all they got and they only killed me 2 dark riders (one in each unit), 2 rxb warriors, 1 harpie and 1 manflayer. I guess i didn't do that bad, but have to face a 2000pts army to see how it goes.

Ain't got much time now, but later will try to post the report.

Looking forward to the report and the armylists since obviously your losses where very light indeed, good job though :).

Well their lists were something like this:
High Elves
Commander on elf steed
Mage on elf steed
10 archers
12 silver helms
10 dragon princes

or something like this with one or two variations on numbers.

Empire
Captain
Battle Wizard
Warrior Priest of Sigmar
20 spearman (FC)
Detachment 5 free company
20 spearman (FC, Sh)
Detachment 10 free company
10 huntsmen
10 crossbowmen
5 outriders
1 great cannon

or something like this always.

Well the deployment was something like this:
They (left to right)- outriders, 10 dragon princes, 10 archers on a hill, 1 cannon on a hill, 20 spearman plus detachment and huntsmen on front of both, 20 spearmen plus detachment, 10 crosbowmen, the battle wizard inside a tower, and the captain and priest each inside one unit of spearmen.

Me (left to right) - dark riders, harpies, noble on pegasus, archers with sorceress on a hill, 2 bolt throwers on a hill, 6 COK's, high sorceress on pegasus, dark riders and last but not least mengil manflayers inside a forest near the silver helms.

They started the game. The knights all marched straight ahead and both blocks of spearmen marched along with huntsmen. Magic did nothing and shooting saw high elves archers doing nothing, the cannon misfired but stayed and crossbowmen killed 2 rxb elves.

My turn: harpies went with my noble into some ruins and my left hand dark riders went next to the sme ruins, all in the rear of dragon princes so they get march blocked and maybe some harassment. My manflayers went of the forest into the flank of silver helms to shoot them and dark riders went next to the forest out of charge range of silver helms to shoot them to. My COK went back to stay out of silver helms charge range and my high sorceress went back to so she could cast on them. I rolled 1, 3, 5 and 6 on my high sorceress and 1 and 2 on my sorceress. Magic and shooting dropped knights from both knights units along with some huntsmen.

2nd turn
The knights being march blocked could only walk and they did, the spearmen walked along with detachments and huntsmen. Magic did nothing and shooting did nothing to.

My turn: harpies and noble went to kill the high elves archers, my manflayers and dark riders went on the side and front of silver helms. Remaining moves saw my dark riders went into the flank of the dragon princes to make some harassment. My magic only killed some huntsmen with the rest being dispelled. My shooting killed one dragon prince and some more huntsmen (he saved on 5's all hits on his dragon princes but one). He chose to stand and shoot and killed one harpie. Combat saw my harpies and noble broke the archers and outriders panicked and got of the board along with the cannon crew. My manflayers with dark riders broke silver helms and caught them on the run.

3rd turn
Dragon princes chose to charge my bolt thrower but i chose to flee and both units of spearmen continued their way into my archers.Shooting from empire crossbowmen did nothing along with magic.

My turn: moved my harpies and noble to the rear of 20 spearmen and dark riders to the flank of same unit. They could march block once again the dragon princes. My other dark riders and manflayers went to the flank of another 20 spearmen block. Magic saw some dragon princes fall. Shooting saw some dragon princes fall and half a unit of spearmen from my manflayers, archers and dark riders.

4th turn
Dragon princes had nothing to do as they were out of charge range of anything, spearmen walked and was my turn.

My turn: charged harpies and noble into the rear of spearmen and dark riders into the flank, COK charged the half dead unit of spearmen. Anhialated both. Mengil killed the battle wizard and in the end of the turn they conceded defeat.

As i said all that was dead was one harpie, one manflayer and one dark rider of one fight, another dark rider from another fight and 2 rxb's from the early shooting.

Massacre to me.

My regards to all Generals!!!

I really wonder what your opponents where thinking :unsure: . I mean, they did not protect their flanks at all and when you were in their flanks and rear, they still didnt react to it and let themselves be flank/rear charged :ph43r: . No wonder you wiped the floor with them :).

Well i guess that they were counting with the archers and outriders, but the archers didn't do much and the outriders are move or shoot so couldn't shoot at all. When they were about to shoot something they panicked and went of the table... :P

As for the rear charges they were kind of surrounded so the only react move was to reform giving their rear to another unit (spearmen were to close from my archers), so it would have been useless. The other block of spearmen reformed to only get front charges, otherwise it would have been charged in the front by my COK and in the flank by dark riders and manflayers.

They were in the middle of my army... It costed me much to manage that, trying to manouver my troops to achieve that but in the end i did it! This just doesn't mean i can do it again :rolleyes:

On to the next battle...

My regards to all Generals!!!