Greetings all,

In 2007 I wish to finish my old Empire army that's been put on hold for a few years now, about 3 or so to be exact. With the influx of new models and rules for the Empire, I thought that it would be a good time to restart the project, and it gave me an excuse to by more stuff.

With that in mind, I set off to make my long awaited Witch Hunter General. I will be using the new plastic Empire General box and some spare bitz I have.

Here is what I've come up with so far.



I think the head is a bit too high up but I don't know how I can fix it more than I've already done. Any suggestions.

I will be using the standard horse that he comes with except that I will be putting saches over 'Karl Franz' on either side of the back as they're more devoted to Sigmar than the Emperor.

Since the picture, I've filed under the head down a bit and it seems to have helped but I will continue to post progress on the model.

C&C Welcome,

Khrangar

Witch hunter? Pretty nice. I love the idea of a fanatical warrior-zealot who stalks heretics all around the world. Grim characters are cooler than noble heroes.

What kind of weapon will he have?

Another question: does the rest of your Empire army follow the witch hunter theme? And what else (units etc.) have you got? I hope you at least have some Flagellants.

Here's a link to my photobucket account where the rest of the army is.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v334/Khrangar/Empire/

The Hounds are Free Company
The Frenzied Mob are Halberdiers

and everything else I think is self explanatory.

Khrangar

Here he is with his arms, still WIP of course.







Thankfully the left arm will be covered by a shield so that it won't look as odd as it does without.

I still need to make a hat for him and give him a cloak of some sort and then he's more or less finished.

Khrangar

But you HAVE to give him the giant hammer! Call yourself a Sigmarite?

He looks good, otherwise, but... hammer! Hammer! Hammer! Hammer!

Actually none of the Mordheim Witch Hunter models have hammers, only the Warrior Priests do.

Khrangar

Sigmar had a hammer. A big shiny one. And that's what your general needs. He's not a Mordheim cheapskate who straps forty-two belts over his chest instead of buying armour, he's a plate-armoured Sigmarite witch-burning machine. And he needs a hammer for smiting said witches.

Also, if I might make a suggestion, methinks you should do a War Altar (or whatever it's called) conversion once the new army comes out. I'm seeing a pyre on wheels...

I may add a hammer to him, but it won't be his primary weapon. I'd rather have a magic sword that gives him +2S always than a hand weapon. It'll be on his side or something.

Where I am the army book is already out. Also, in order to have a War Altar, I need a Grand Theogonist and since I am using a General instead of Grand Theogonist, I'd need to make the army 3000 points to get the 2 Lords.

It may be something I consider in the future, but at this point there are no plans for the Altar.

Khrangar

Y'know that magic weapons aren't bound by WYSIWYG, right? A Sword of Might can be a Mace of Might or an Axe of Might or The Pointy Garden Shears of Might. It was even stated explicitly by GW somewhere (although I can't for the life of me remember where) during the last edition. The only real limits that magic items impose on modelling is whether they are one- or two-handed (i.e. it's a bit off to have a model with a big shield and then reveal he has the Crimson Death once he gets into combat).

But... it's your decision, I suppose.

...usethehammer...

The whole game of warhammer is named after Sigmar's hammer, I'm sure you can justify putting one on his servants.

I think he looks way too well armoured. I see witch hunters as lower-middle class zealots: yours just looks too knightly at the moment. Maybe you could make it work with details (give him a few torches or something), but he really needs to look like a witch hunter and not another knight / general.

But yeah, he needs a hammer. You are free to rename magic items as you see fit.

I noticed you have a mage in your army: is that really wise considering the witch hunters' whole purpose is to kill wizards?

@Swordsalot: "Indeed, witch hunters often recruit warbands of warriors, priests and Wizards to accompany them in their travails..." (7th Edition Empire army book, pg 27).

If I had a good one handed hammer that I could use on him, I would, but I don't want to use the huge one that comes with the general box one handed as I think it would look stupid. If you have suggestions, then I am open to them.

Khrangar

I disagree, a huge hammer would be great.

However, I think you must have a few middenheimer sprues (In some Mordheim boxes, as well as the Empire Knights box AFAIK). They have heaps of smaller hammers: including one on an armoured hand with a pointy 'back end' that looks a lot like the Warrior Priest hammers.

If I recall, you have a Chaos force for Fantasy, so what about a hammer from one of the old plastic Chaos warriors? Would need a little bit of tinkering to remove the Chaos insignia, but it'd be quite an imposing one handed hammer for a Sigmarite. Otherwise, some dwarf models have nice hammers that could be cannabilised.

Cheers,
DLJ

Old Chaos Warrior and Middenheimer hammers are all well in good, but are already in use elsewhere in the army.



From Left To Right: Warrior Priest w/ Great Weapon, Warrior Priest, Witch Hunter Captain.

I'll look to see what hammers the dwarves have (I have them too so it works out).

Khrangar

EDIT: I found this hammer. The runes will be GSed over and the shaft will be cut smaller.



Khrangar

Weee, I've been of some use!

I'd cut the spike off the back of that hammer and replace it with, well, a different spike. At the moment it looks too much like an anvil on a stick, which is probably a bit too dwarfy.

Cheers,
DLJ

I'll flip it around once the greenstuff dries on the model, so tomorrow some time.

Khrangar

This is getting a bit repetitive.

"You should use the hammer!"
"No I shouldn't!"
"Should!"
"Shouldn't! I'm using the sword!"
"No way! The sword sucks!"

I'll reserve judgement until I see the finished hammer.

I won't take position: I think both the sword and the hammer are fine.

The Sword of Power really rules: +2 Strength without the flaws associated with a great weapon for a mounted character, it's worth it. It could of course be a Hammer of Power, I don't really care either way. I personally prefer swords (blunt weapons are so crude and barbaric...), but a hammer would perhaps be more appropriate fluff-wise.

Here's version 2.0 of the hammer.



Khrangar

Hmm...I think the hammer actually works. It looks big enough to confer +2 strength, and yet still leave room for the char to use a shield. I say stick with it.

EDIT: What model did that hammer come from, anyway?

The hammer came from the new Dwarf Warriors box with the end from the old chaos warriors hammer.

Khrangar

It looks good. The dwarf look fits well with the fluff: Khazalid is the holy language of the Sigmarite priesthood, after all.

Just to be annoying: have you considered using the hammer-head from the 'angel of death' on the general kit's battle standard? I think that's pretty much directly modelled on Ghal Maraz, albeit with less detail. And I always thought that thing would look better with a scythe than a hammer.

(Sorry, posted on the wrong thread)

I looked at that hammer on death, but I don't really like it. The proportions are too weird for me. The the head of it is too tall and skinny for the rest of the hammer.

Khrangar

I've begun work on his coat. Right now he kind of looks like a biker.





I want it to look something like this:



Khrangar

I did the sleaves of his coat, I'll leave the rest until later today or tomorrow since I don't want to mess us the gs while it dries. The circle on his chest will be part of a pendant with the hammer of sigmar on it.





I need to file down the weapon arm a bit so that it looks more like a sleave. Next up, how he'll fit onto his horse. Speaking of which, should I use the horse he came with or a Bretonnian pegasus/horse?

Khrangar

One of the new empire character horses would be nice aswell, but maybe not worth buying just for that.

I've started on his greatcoat.





I hope it looks alright.

Khrangar

It looks good. But isn't it yust a little bit to long? If he was walking wouldn't the coat be draged over the ground?

It probably is a bit long, I'll have to compare with the guy on foot to see if it would hit the ground or not. If it is, I'll cut it a bit to shorten it.

Khrangar

Not bad Khrangar. How much are you going to work with the coat to add a feeling of folds and such in the greenstuff? At the moment, the lack of any form of movement makes it look a bit boring.

I redid his coat and I think it looks better.





backview:



@RG: I want to get the rest of him done before I add anything like folds or the fun on the coat. This is my most ambitious attempt at greenstuff so I'm taking my time.

Khrangar

Looking good. How do you intend to paint him?

The horse will be a dark red with gold trim for the armour and probably either black or brown for the horse itself. The coat will be a mid brown colour (bestial or dark flesh) and his armour will be boltgun + highlights with flesh wash over it to give it a more worn look. That's as far as I've got so far in terms of colour choices.

Khrangar

Yeah, the cloak looks very good now.

great job so far: your greenstuff work is excellent. What do you use as a sculpting tool, and how do you get such smooth curves?

Is that a standard empire character horse from the generals boxed set? It looks amazingly detailed.

It was easy, if not time consuming to do the gs work as I did it in sections. The reason most of it is so smooth is because I made large flat sections of gs and cut out the shape I needed and worked it on the model, careful not to touch the middle. The only think I used was a hobby knife for everything as I have no sculpting tools and the knife has served me well in the past.

Khrangar

I've started painting the horse. The pics aren't the greatest but it's still WIP so they should do for now.





Khrangar

Nicely done for a beginning.

Personally, when I reach this point, I consider the job done. But I'm a lazy guy, and though I like painting, I never spend several hours on a single model, even a character.

I'm the same as @ztech. I just don't have either the patience or the confiedence. I also still haven't painted a wyvern i've had for about two years because i'm scared of how it'll turn out :( .