Hey all you bret players,
How do i try and survive a charge of brets? with thier high armor saves my shooting is relativly ineffectve (i play TK) and my only hope is a war machine or chariots. Can you give me tips on stopping the brets crushing my skels beneath thier hooves?

I feel a bit treacherous to give tips against my own army, but I'll do it anyway, just to prove that Brets are not overpowered if you know how to deal with them.

We Bretonnians hate long combats. Here's my recommendation: have large anvil units (20 Skellies or more) with some fast cavalry and chariots on their sides, not too far but also out of reach. When the Brets charge, your anvils should manage to hold if they're big enough. Then, send the fast cav and the chariots as quickly as possible on the knights' flanks. You'll eventually break them with ranks and Fear.

Remember that the weak point of the lance formation is the flank.

You could also use Carrions, Tomb Scorpions and Tomb Swarms to block the Bretonnian knights and allow your chariots to slam into them face to face while they're stuck.

Anything with Killing Blow or a psychology element is your friend.

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(I have sort of a silly question here, but I've never played Brets, so ... what exactly is lance formation? From what I've heard, it means you need less models to get the rank bonus, is that right?)

No lance formation is a special bret rule in which if arranged in 3 per rank rows the models on the sides of the formation ie in a unit of 9 Knights of the realm there are 7 attacking models on the charge, with lances and the steeds attack too. but only on the charge (this is what i mean when i say bret charge). This wiped out 20 skeletons when i was charged by grail knights who are immune to psychology.

EDIT: sry thragka you were right about one thing they do get the less models for ranks.

Ah right, thanks.

preety much what @ztech said, but the anvil units to be larger than 20, atleast 30. *Proxy Ahoy!*

also may i suggest a *rumble rumble* BONE GIANT!!! They can take le charge and dish out.

Burro Boskov

Hey just a question. Are you sure that the horses get to attack to on the charge, I mean horses in the second rank and third if you have it and so on. Cause in the rules it has that:

"Every knight model in the flanks of the unit is allowed to fight, as long as they are directly behind a model in close combat"

I don't know I picked up on this when I was playing against Brettonia with my High Elves.... (Just trying to get out of more attacks)

I don't know if I have misinterpreted the rule or just didnt understand due to myself just starting brettonia. :blink:

I think you're right about horses of the second and third ranks not attacking...

Anyway, how would they attack? Knights on the rear ranks can attack because of their long lances and their jousting training, but I don't see how horses could get to strike.

But when you get 8-9 attacks at S5, I don't think a few S3 attacks make that much of a difference. Still, it often happens that mounts are more efficient than their riders.

"Every knight model in the flanks of the unit is allowed to fight, as long as they are directly behind a model in close combat"

Knight and horse are one model. The horses attack too. The lance formation is supposed to be an abstraction of the way that a real lance formation (i.e. a cavalry wedge) punches into an enemy regiment - the tip of the lance is carried into the centre of the enemy formation, bringing the knights along each side into direct contact with the enemy. There is no silliness with "long lances" and "jousting training", and thus the horses get to do their share of trampling too.

@ burro
DOW giant = bone giant (hopeful smiling)?

sure, i guess, might have to check with R and L in our big games, but its fine by me, as long as you do try to get one if it works well.

Burro Boskov

In my last battle I had a unit of 8 Knight Errants attacking 20 Clanrats with a chieftain. On the charge the knights only killed 3 rats while my horses killed 5. I often see that the horses do kill a lot of enemies(at least when it's goblins,skaven rats, etc).

My horses ALWAYS kill more than the knights do, its stupid.
The graet fear of bret charging lances is that they will fail to break you one turn one of the combat. So... yeh. what the other guys suggested seems fine.

Best way of surviving a bret charge is not to let them charge in the first place. With my O&G I found that wolf riders are extremly adaptable in redirecting charges away from ones main units. Worked like a charm. He has 2 choices.

1) Stay put.
2) Take the bate.

Accept that they'll destroy one of yoyr units, or make a huge anvil.

If you accept the bretts are going to destroy one unit, make sure the unit's destruction will benefit you more then them.

Example.

Say the brett unit charges a 10-mn archer unit. The win and overrun, into the unit behind (say, 20 skells).

If you saw this comng you could've placed some chariots or a bonegiant/scorpion/ushabti in a flanking poition, ready to charge the knights and make them run due to fear and outnumbering.

This a very simplistic example, but it's just to bring across my point; no arguments about how dumb the brett player would have to be please!