ok i have only 2 questions

1 can you use a city guard list with out or opponets permission?

2 do city guard look different than regular warriors if so how?

thanks

sorry for all of the questions

It's legal.

The city guard unit is a normal warrior unit with rxbs in the front rank, and spears in the others. That is, if you choose to use the 'mixed formation' rule.

I wouldn't recomend it as a full-time list, as it's somewhat one-sided.

whats wrong with making it a a full time list. i dont have much money and will not have some for awhile and in till i do i view this as my only option.

Wait... why do you view this list as your only option? You will still need to get the dark elf book, the miniatures (most of which will still be metal), and all the other stuff for Warhammer. It would be better to make a normal list first, so you can get the Druchii playing style down, then move on to the more varied lists.

well with the high points cost of the units i wouldnt have to get as many

As a starting force the City Garrison list is quite a good option, the units are marginally more expensive in points terms but offer a range of modelling options and are easy to expand up to regular list units later.

for example
A standard box set will give you a nice unit of 15, 5 armed with crossbows and 10 with spears to deploy 5 wide, 3 deep. Give all of the models shields. The odd model I would make as an rxb warrior (see later for reason).

If you then purchase a 2nd box set and do the same you will then have the option of 2 garrison units of 15 or a good sized unit 12 rxb warriros and 20 spear elves for the regular list. (This is exactly what I did with mine btw).

At 2000+ points the Garrison list becomes rather ineffective due to only being allowed to take one sorceress and is thus not many players choice of army once thier collections get larger, but as a starting force a list like this of about 1000pts is a good target and can be collected up over 6-12 months by most players.

Noble on a ColdOne to lead the Knights
Sorceress
2 x 15 City Guard with shields and command (5 rxb warriros / 10 spears)
5 Cold One Knights with command
5 Dark Riders
1 Reaper Bolt Thrower

This list could be reconfigured as a regular DE army like this

Noble on a ColdOne to lead the Knights
Sorceress
12 Warriros with rxb and shield
20 Warriors with spear and shield
5 Cold One Knights with command
5 Dark Riders
1 Reaper Bolt ThrowerNoble

Hope this is of help getting your army started

Kel

What the hell, city garrison is legal? I thought they got rid of it after the revision because the RxB/spear unit was too good. It meant you only had to pay for the front rank to have crossbows (unlike something like LSG) but could remove casualties from the back. On top of that the front rank could use hw & shield for the extra save while the rest of the unit used the spear, something other spear units dream of.

If it is legal, then hell, I'm making an army!!

The Garrison list is perfectly legal and is included in all GW tournament packs. But note none of the amendments from the revision are permitted in the Garrion List so warriors still cost 10pts basic and Cold One Knights are still only Ld8.

As to the way the unit works casualties are removed from the front rank in hth so as you take casualties the number of rxb warriors declines. For shooting models are removed from the rear. Also Garriorson units may only wheel, may not change formation or turn on the spot unless by reforming so there are just a few draw backs in comparison to LSG.

why can't they take the revised points of warriors and satline changes

Because it is a totally different list and was made before the revision. The stats and points are in the list, and it doesn't say that the revision applies to it.

Most people who choose a city garrioson list ether love RBT or know the worth of taking 8RBT to Tou®nys & yes it is legal.

Other than my own theres only 2 others that I'v seen, mine & a friends. The Garrioson troops unlike normal DE who are always on the move, are more rag tag due to the fact they have just rushed out of the City to defend. Also there weopons are less decorative as well. However theres no rules that say they can't be left the same as normal, it just looks unrealastic.

Going slightly off topic, is it a good list? Especially as a beginner thinking of starting Dark Elves. The high points cost and effectinvness of small units is appealing. Keledron seems to think so but what about others?

As Keledron said, it's a good list at lower point sizes, but looses effectiveness once you go above 1500 points. The limitations on sorceresses really weakens the list once you get to 2000, and you're left vulnerable unless you take Morathi.

As for 8 RBTs, I think it's overkill. 4 is borderline overkill in 2k.

Hope this helps.

I've seen the garrison list be fairly effective at a 2000 pts tournament, but you have to be an absolute git to pull it off. Essentially, you take the 8 RBT's and as many shooty troops as you can muster, with a march-blocker or two thrown in.

The game plan after this is basically to play your turns as slowly as possible, really drawing out the shooting phase, rolling all your dice at glacial speed, hesitating something chronic over whether to move that unit of crossbowmen forwards in inch or not... The idea being that time runs out at the end of turn 3, and the enemy won't have reached your lines whilst you'll have inflicted a fair number of shooting casualties, and will win on victory points somthing like 600odd - 0.

As I said, this is really one of the worst, most unsportsmanlike ways to play, and I certainly don't condone trying it. The guy I saw doing this didn't make a lot of friends, and he wasn't invited back to the tournament afterwards.

Cheers,
DLJ