Characters are pretty straightforward, the BSB would support the black guard mostly, lending the reroll for their stubborn-ness. I've sacrificed a little magical offense for combat skills. Hopefully the magic phase will come through for me in the late game, when enemy mages have been dealt with. I've found Lifetaker to be a very sexy little item for sorceresses, providing them with some more offensive power, while helping defend them too.

Another thought, for different enemies, is that I could swap the caudron to get the dread banner on the BG and another unit of DR. Maybe, if points allowed, a hag with manebane for the witches.

Deployement would probably go somthing like this:

w =witch elf
x =RXB Warrior
s =Spear Warrior
b =Black Guard
cha =Cold One Chariot
cob = Cauldron of Blood

The bucket o' blood is deployed in the center, 12 inches out. DR will take up flank positions that depend upon terrain. The central chariot is the BSB's, although that would leave one chariot at Ld 8. hmm...

That should give you insight on what the units are going to do.

I'd really like some input, please.

It's very Dark Elven: mobile, lightly armored and lethal. However, I don't think it's worth it to have an expensive Cauldron of Blood if your army includes only ten Witch Elves. And your magic is vulnerable: if your High Sorceress is slain, you lose it all. You should take more characters and maybe add a Sorceress.

Very nice Maedros, I like it alot, though perhaps look to add another character. I'd probably go for a sorceress to support your high sorceress. And perhaps look to take out the cauldron of blood, free up some points. But it looks pretty hard.

EDIT: Oh, sorry it look like @ztech has said simalar things. That's funnmy I never saw his post before. Well I'll add something: Perhaps go for a noble on dark steed. They give a nasty hit to fast cav.

The cauldron doesn't only benefit witch elves, BG and chariots are also helped a lot.

Originally, I had a noble on a dark steed in, but I was forced to drop him for points.

I'd like another noble or a sorceress, but I have no idea where I'd get the points. Taking most anything out would hurt the list too much. I'm not much of a character person anyway.

Anything/anyone else?

Double post but...

After reading the Army of Insane Manueverabilty articles on D.net (for the 237th and a half time), I've come up with this. I lose a bit of combat to get some more magic and shooting and manueverablity. The main downside is that I become much more fragile. I can also build this list for less $ and time, although that depends upon the amount of converting. 2 Boxes of glade riders, 2 chariots and the manti would finish this puppy off. Only coming in at around $130.

The HS and DR form a list within a list, providing a fast flanking force and mage/warmachine hunters.

The HS should get soul stealer, which is what she needs. Racial Horror would help her out a lot as well. Hydra blade allows her to take down light units herself. She can negate ranks, has terror, 2-3 cast-into-combat spells, 4 S5 attacks, 2-4 S3 attacks, and should always have the charge. Modelwise, I'm going to convert Morathi into more of the postition that she's in in her artwork in the DE book. I'm not quite sure about the manti, but am thinking more of a lion-like pose.

This list has multiple elements that can deal with lightly-armored low T units: witches, hydra, and HS. Shooting also fills this roll.

Chariot has crossbows because I had 10 points left over at the end. I could swap them and crossbows on one DR unit for a L2 upgrade for the sorceress.

L1 chooses her lore depending upon the enemy. If I need the chillwind against shooting units, she'll take dark. If she rolls word I might keep it too, and use it to weaken one unit. If I need to get her somewhere to use lifetaker, she'll take shadows. Lifetaker adds to my shooting and is great especally vs. asrai. I could swap it for a scroll against certain armies.

Deployment:

CHA: chariot
S: warrior w/spear
WHD: war hydra
W: witch elf
X: warrior w/Xbow

The chariot in the middle is the general's, so he can provide LD to as much as possible.

DR and HS take up postitions depending upon terrain/enemy. They'll likely take up the left flank. If needed, the HS will take up postition behind the hydra to hide from missles.


This list also could easily interchange with the other two without having to buy all that much more.

Siduri is too $$$$....

Why don't you take Morathi instead of Siduri? I don't know how much she costs, but it mustn't be much higher than Siduri. And she's one of the best sorceresses of Warhammer.

You'll need a lot of Elf Flesh to paint her, though.

Thanks for the input. The thought of Morathi is tempting, she's actually 75 points less. If I drop the shield on the noble and the chariot's crossbows, that could get me the Sorceress at L2, a hag with manebane for the witches, and the enchated shield on the noble. Or, I could drop the noble altogether for another unit.

The major downsides are: no terror, she's the general, not US5 rank-negater, special character, weaker mount, less attacks, not large target.

Upsides: +2 to cast, chosen spells, killing blow on charge, not large target, 4+ ward, MR(1), enchanting beauty.


I think I'll stick with the HS on manti though: more character and subtle power.

Matt, I don't like to play against special characters, if you were wondering.....

I wasn't really, but I don't like them all that much either. Unless it's a really fluffy army based around them.

They're just so unfair and only geeks play them.(No offense to special character users...)

Same with COP lists......The only people I have met who play that army are weird....once again, no offense. :mellow:

And I've got another 2k list, a very sweet shooty one.

This list has the most high S attacks in it than I've got in in long time too.

Deployment idea:

CHA: chariot
S: spear warrior
WHD: War Hydra
X: rxb warrior
W: witch elf
D: shade
N: noble

The shades form rear-guard, and DR take up flank postions depending upon terrain. If I need to, the shades will go be a missle screen, and run behind the line later in the game.

That looks really cool!

However, Siduri seems awefully vunerable for her cost...

Think of her as a more powerful 3 wound version of my level 2...She's a lot less vunerable than one would think.

meh, the level 2 dies pretty easy. She always runs away though...

I'm considering swapping the high sorceress for 2 sorceresses, how do you think I should tool them (and the existing one) out?

As I said on ROTF, I LOVE this list. If I were you, I'd just have 1 level 1 scroll caddy and 1 level 2 with darkstar/tome.

Well, since my main opponent (Treeman) is going to have almost no magic, I don't need much defence. I've got 3 options that I'm considering ATM.

1) Level 2 with tome and lifetaker, level 2 with darkstar cloak and maybe something else, level 1 (shadow) with wand.
2) Level 2 with darkstar cloak and lifetaker, level 2 with wand, level 1 (shadow) with web of shadows.
3) Level 2 with tome and lifetaker, level 2 with darkstar cloak and maybe something else, noble on horse with wand.

Right now, I'm leaning toward the 3rd option, because of the flexability and added power to the DR. The only problem is, if the second level 2 has a 25 point item (in addition to the cloak) I'm 3 points over. If I just run her with the cloak, then I've got 22 points to play with. This is enough to bump the horse noble's shield up to an enchanted shield, and have 14 points left (another DR standard maybe?).

Another idea would be a BSB on dark steed instead of the noble. I'd like the warbanner, but it would limit my magic too much. I couldn't get the wand, tome, and darkstar cloak.

I could just give up on the wand though: having a L2 with lifetaker/tome, a L2 with cloak/something else, and a BSB with warbanner. I'd then probably have to drop either the crossbows on one DR unit or the crossbows on the chariots (probably the chariots).

Against armies with more magic I'd run this: L2 with cloak/scroll, L2 with seal/scroll, and BSB with warbanner.

I'm definatly liking this idea, I'll post a revised list later.

Psssh, your so dead. :P

Seriously though, I hate that lifetaker on the mage. It is so hard to charge her with anything and not suffer casualties, so I have to be careful what to send in there.

3rd option is my favorite.

Treeman: that's the point.

Funk: so you'd rather me have the noble with the wand than the BSB with the warbanner? I'm definatly liking the BSB idea ATM, more reliable with only a slight loss in magic and killing power.

Well, seeing as the last list was 134 points over I'm going to need to do some reworking.

Edit:

So, I'm 50 points over. The simplest way to solve this, if I didn't need much magic defence, would be to drop the seal and scroll, and then move the cloak to the second sorceress.

A possiblity would be to drop 3 shades, drop the M on the DR unit with the S, switch the hydra blade for blade of spite and cloak of dark souls, and merge the sorceresses into a L4. This would put me at 1996. I gain a fairly strong scouting unit, but lose the rear-guarding shades.

Also, what do you think the mounted noble should be armed with? Halberd works best in multiple combat rounds, but lacks the S6 of a lance or great weapon.

Thoughts?

I say drop the magic items, you don't quite need all that magic defense.

I'm trying to make this a balanced list, so magic defence is important. Of course, I could always just use the HS on manti version against opponents with decent magic.

I had another thought, and for some reason I'm more comfortable with this list. Maybe it's less points in characters, although my magic has dropped a PD and the wand. I also got a second hydra in, which I really like the idea of.

Version 3.3

I'll probaby go for a wieghted flank, deploying something like this:

R: Dark Rider
WHD: War Hydra
COC: Cold One Chariot
S: Warrior with spear
X: Warrior with rxb
W: Witch Elf
D: Shade
G: General

I'll probably take dark lore on both sorceresses, and use the mounted L1 for mobile chillwinding.

Edit: I'm considering dropping the dark steed on the sorceress, the rxb on the noble, and switching the noble's hydra blade for the blade of spite; to get a second level on the sorceress and get a musician on the last DR unit.

I'm also considering changing deployment around so the chariots are on either side of the spearelves, thus puting the 2 hydrae next to eachother.

That edits sounding a lot more promising, but the second war hydra isn't... I don't think you need to already medioker units. I suggest spending those 220 points on something else, preferably some more character support and a RBT.

Funk: I like the idea of 2 war hydrae, but I'll give my one a few more tries before I decide. They're faster than infantry, have a missle attack, cause terror, and hit like 5 executioners (-KB) and 2 corsiars packed together in combat. Let's not forget T5 and W6 either.

I could also just drop the shade idea altogether. I could give my noble the standard kit and the wand, after dropping 3 shades. I'd have 21 points left, what should I do with it? I could upgrade the noble's shield to enchanted; then be left with 13 points, which could get me a steed for the sorceress without lifetaker (although that breaks the 500 mark for characters).

New version:

Deployment:

The general will probably stay near the spear unit to help out with stupidity, while the sorceresses will ride and roam around where they're needed and safe. I could drop the sorceress' steed and the noble's ES, to upgrade one of the hydrae to a spellthirster. Good idea or not?


I could use some input, please.

I dunno Matt; that is a lot of points tied into 2 models. Especially because they're vunerable to Lore of Beasts...which I use. I personally think you should stick some Corsairs or Exe. in there, because the models for them are cool.

After thinking about it, I've decided I like the bucket o' blood too much to go double-hydra. So, I've gone back, and created a cauldron-based list again. This also gets corsairs in.