I bought the Chaos army book today and was wondering if mortal or demonic units are usually preferred.

I have always played mortal chaos, somehow they have appealed me more. deamons can be very powerful when used properly, altho the army is not going to be big so one should know what they can and cant do :)

deamons got a bit better in the SOC book, getting Ld10 (most of them) and a ward save instead of deamonic save. that made them less vulnerable to instability. mortal chaos armies tend to be cheaper to collect moneywise since they get mostly plastics while deamon armies will include mostly metal models.

dont know how mixed armies works, havent tried that combo. both choices are very powerful. a friend of mine said that the tzeentch deamon army he played some time ago was and still today is the most fun army he has ever played with. he also said that deamons tend to either win big or lose big and I would say that this also applies to mortals, looking at the success my brother has had with them.

hope this helps out a bit. I still have to collect a deamon army someday since I find them dead cool ^_^

I voted Mortal as well because a mortal army is much more flexible.
The main reason I like Mortals however is that a mortal army has so much more character than a demon force. A damned force of men made for war is much more exciting than God-built machines designed for destruction with no personality.
On the other hand if you are a converter then with chaos you cant go wrong. Both mortal and demons offer a wealth of conversion opportunities.

That came straight out of the book!

Anyway I would say mortals were easier to convert as Tyrion said; they are plastic.

I said mortals as well. I prefer them as I never liked the look of a daemonic army apart from the odd unit. They seem.... to much trouble than they are worth, yes that's the one. Mind, I say this because I would never get enough money to collect a daemonic horde.

gotta agree with all the demon comments, they cost to much! the only effective demon armies i have seen are tzeentch, but this list has 60 horrors in 2500pts. this means £360 on just troops which for me is far to much, id rather have multiple ranks of elite warriors ^_^

I hate the idea spending 55euro's for 10 models... :angry: and the mortal units have alot more converting posibilities.

i think that just nailed this topic on the head, unless you work for GW many will not be able to afford a daemonic legion, i may buy a greater demon though ^_^

you can put more into a mortal army(more value for your points)and they are easier to convert.

Greater demons are annoying, 1 bad test and thats 1000pts down the drain...

thats why you only ever use an exalted demon or at best a demon prince, who can somethimes even be better than the greater demon, when they die less points gone.

arent greater demons about 700pts maximum not 1000?

665 max ;). It's still a lot of points down the gutter....

Anyways, I collect mortals for flexibility and and how it's easier on my wallet. Adding a few demons to my army is somthing I may get around to, but I will never be able to afford playing a demonic list.

Stratos

thats true, also what i do not like about demons is how shockingly bad they are (in my opinion of course ^_^ ) okay some of them are okay (horrors, flamers, and furis) but the others are equal to the a chaos warrior and mainly have an extra attack or something and have a ward save.

i am a fan though of mounted demonettes though, fast slanneshi death B)

All basic units have a pretty low toughness of 3 too. You're right, you can get warriors for less, and better stats too. Screamers and furies are really the only deamons I'm ok with, and furies I'd only use for hunting out warhachines, and screamers I'd use to screen my chosen knights. Basically, if I do take them, it's for rather suicidal missions, lol.

Stratos

Never let bloodletter near lizardmen salamanders, they get crushed, no armour save, no ward save, and alot of hits wounding on 4+

Why no ward save? I always thought you could take ward saves against them... You better be able too, or my lizardman opponent is going tos tart taking a lot more of the guys....

Stratos

I wonder that myself cos salamander attacks arent magical ;)

correct, i do not know what he meant by no ward save as they do not negate it (as far as i know) but still if you get shot at by salamanders and only have a tougness of three and a 5+ save your likely to lose quite a few demons ^_^

well, my mistake, mustve read the rules wrong, you still should cover them with something, like knights, who don't die against sallies.

To be honest I like to use all the options and really I don't care which! Though I always feel mortal armys need to have some daemons in them.

I agree... 6-10 furries is must have in a chaos army to take out artillery and other stuff. But my general in my 2000pt slaanesh army is a daemon prince (master of mortals). For the rest i really don't like daemons, their poor T and 'armour' save are yust anoying.

Well looks like Im the one to break the pattern. I go for pure daemonic legion every time.

I prefer daemon armys because I find them a lot more fun to use. This mainly comes from a vulnerability to damage (salamanders are classed as a MAJOR threat), but a lot of hitting power, and often speed.

If a daemon army consists of just one god, then it can be rathe limited in its stratagy as has been mentioned. However when you start mixing gods you can create extreemly flexible armys e.g. khorn/tzeench or slaanesh/tzeench (my two favorate combinations)

I would also have to disagree on the effectivenes of the lesser daemons. When compared to chaos warriors their cost may seem high, but they are effectivly unbreakable, immune to psycology, and most importantly cause fear. They also fufil their roles well. Horrors make good support units for a usualy very fast tzeench army. A unit of 15 + bloodletters acts as a fantastic line breaker as almost anything they charge breaks. Also small units of daemonettes work well as reserves for the rediculously fast slaanesh legion.

Basicly Iv found the daemons to be almost like chaos elves, and since most chaos people like high armour and tough troops this could well explain why not many like them as much as mortals.

i agree with what you say about the combinations between two demon armies/ units but what you must take into consideration IMHO is the fluff of what you will be using like for example i believe you said that mixing tzeench and khorne demons work well, well of course it does there hard demons but do you really think that khorne who lives for battle and war but despises magic would battle alongside tzeench? Bloodletters would probally end up hurling themselves towards the horrors ^_^ . not putting down what you said there but it just sounded a little weird

personally i find that demon princes and exalted demons are rubbish, why, well it might be just me but in a game a few days ago i saw a demon (exalted) get hit by a fireball which caused 2 wounds! then another two more finished him off <_< thats probally why i dislike them so much but thats just me

I prefer mortals, I'm not a fan of lots of points going into one thing like a greater demon, and most of the demon models are dumb looking IMO. But I take some demonic units sometimes.

mixing gods like that may be effective, but the words "unfluffy" and "cheese" springs into mind when im thinking of it ^_^ I prefer themed armies with deamons, looks much better aswell.

if that deamon prince got hit by multiple fireballs then the player must have been really rubbish ;) one fireball I understand, after that he should be in combat. same with greater deamons, get them into combat! no point in standing there watching your most expensive model get blown to bits.

I completly dsagree about the mixing of gods. They are rivals, not enemys. Tzeench sees khorn as an unsufisticated brute, and khorn sees tzeench as a weakling coward, but they dont hate eachother. If there was a common goal between tzeench and khorn why would they fight? The exception to this is ofcourse the greater rivalries i.e. slaanesh vs khorn, and I wouldnt ever do a combination like that unless it featured all 4 gods.

I agree with Tyrion on the fact that the exulted must have been miss managed. They cant fight quite as well as the chaos equivalent but they complament the army well, mainly because they can ignore armour (blade of ether) which is what the other units struggle to do. The fact that they fly and cast spells also realy shouldnt be overlooked. Il give you there not the best characters, but they certainly arnt rubbish.

i hardly find that the exalted demon must of been mismanaged as the army had 2 dispel dice against the army with two fireballs which had two level two wizards ;) so the demon was going down whether it liked it or not ^_^

Also i dont know how it can be even considered to mix two gods as it wont happen, ok if there was another conquest of chaos all 4 would fight but otherwise two demon armies would not fight together, you did say that khorne thought of tzeench as a weakiling coward so why would they fight?

Anyway everyones different so your choice

in a storm of chaos list a mix could be justified.

and about the deamon prince. why did he not get into hand to hand combat? fireballs cant be cast at him then. he has a better chance there than to be shoot to bits. otherwise he should have gotten him out of sight, use terrain. if that would have been my army, he would not have died from magic anyway ;)

well it was a chaos mortal army verses a demonic legion and first turn the two wizards moved full distance towards the demon and they were mounted, then they chucked their fireballs to send the demon on a one way trip to the chaos wastes ^_^

anyway enough of this subject it seems im starting to spam if it carries on

yeah, you are right. one more question tho, or two. how big armies were they playing with and how come the deamonic leagion dude only had 2 dispel dice?

okay okay, they were playing a 1500pt game and the demonic legion was of slannesh (2 units of daemonttes, 3 rider beast things, chariot of slannesh (daemon), 5 mounted demonetes and a exalted demon)

the army had the one combat character with soul hunger and another slannesh thing i think, so no wizards meant he only had 2 dispel dice

^_^ is that all cleared up now?

yes it is ^_^

Why could a mix of different gods (in any chaos army) only be justified by the end times? In the relm of chaos book it actualy states that khorn will ally with tzeench as he is the 2nd most powerfull god, even if it is grudgingly so. It then goes on to say that Tzeench is usualy the one to make the 1st moves towards any alliance.

I dont understand why it is considerd so wrong to include different marks in an undivided army.

I have never came accross that comment when looking through the book? but please prove me wrong

Anyway, Tzeench would only ally with another god for his own means of manipulation (all knowing, seeing etc etc), and as i already mentioned earlier the four chaos gods hate each other, they will bide together for a greater evil such as a chaos conquest led by a powerful champion but othersise a Daemonic legion would be unlikely to fight alongside another god through hatred.

by the way i am rambling on about a pure demon army rather than a mixed one, in such case it would be likely that a champion would try to gain the help of different demons for his army, GRRR! ^_^ . so it can be justified in that way for a mixed army but for a demonic legion im gonna stick with my guns on the idea that you shouldn't really have a mix of demon units, but hey thats my opinion and everyone be different in the opinions ^_^

The text Im talking about is in realm of chaos, page 14, line 9-16 (under the big symbol of khorn).

As for the daemonic legion, how douse a legion of undivided exist without the mixing of gods. Surley if an undevided champion asked for the gods to bless him with an army, sum, but not nessisarily all would oblige him/her/it.

e.g. a daemon price whants for whatever reason to attack a city. Khorn may grant daemons to aid with the inevitable slaghter, flowing of blood and takeing of skulls. Tzeench may help as there is an artifact of power in the city. The following chaos will allow one of his personal champions to take it during the battle.

remember the storm of chaos? even there each god had an own army, even though united by archaon, they all went in different directions. but yes.. :)

Heh, I can see where all the confusion is coming from, probably. If I remember it correctly, the chaos god opposites in 40K are Nurgle/Slaanesh and Khorne/Tzeentch whilst in WHFB are Khorne/Slaanesh and Nurgle/Tzeentch as said before this is from the top of my head.

I still wouldn't think it as fluffy using Tzeentch and Khorne, as if you were trying to create a fluffy list you should sometimes consider certain aspects from 40K, it just helps you define your god which you collect, same as using the old realms of chaos book.