This armylist is not mine. I'm curious to see how a Skaven player views this army.

Skaven 2000 Pts

1 Warlord @ 186 Pts
General - joins Clan Rats
Heavy Armour
Sword of Striking
Bands of Power
Warpstone Amulet
Enchanted Shield

1 Assassin @ 155 Pts
joins Gutter Runners
Warpstone Stars

1 Warlock Engineer @ 110 Pts
Magic Level 1 - joins Clan Rats
Supercharged WP Accumulator
Upgraded Warp-Energy Condenser
Warp Blades
Storm Daemon

1 Warlock Engineer @ 120 Pts
Magic Level 1 - joins Clan Rats
Supercharged WP Accumulator
Upgraded Warp-Energy Condenser
Warp Blades
Dispel Scroll
Warpstone Token

24 Clanrats @ 220 Pts
Light Armour, Shield, FC
* 1 Weapon Team - Warpfire Thrower

24 Clanrats @ 220 Pts
Light Armour, Shield, FC
* 1 Weapon Team - Ratling Gun

24 Clanrats @ 220 Pts
Light Armour, Shield, FC
* 1 Weapon Team - Ratling Gun

20 Clanrat Slaves @ 40 Pts

20 Clanrat Slaves @ 40 Pts

20 Clanrat Slaves @ 40 Pts

2 Rat Swarms @ 90 Pts

7 Gutter Runners @ 119 Pts
2ndWeapon, Sling

5 Gutter Runners Tunnelling Team @ 85 Pts
Tunnelling Team, Poisoned Hand Weapons

5 Gutter Runners Tunnelling Team @ 85 Pts
Tunnelling Team, Poisoned Hand Weapons

5 Poison Wind Globadiers @ 50 Pts

5 Poison Wind Globadiers @ 50 Pts

10 Warplock Jezzail teams @ 200 Pts

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Casting Pool: 6
Dispel Pool: 4
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Models in Army: 178
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Total Army Cost: 2000
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it is generally quite good, however, you should drop a clanrat unit and boost your swarms up. also, I would have 2 units of 30 slaves rather than 3 units of 20 in my opinion.

This is a good army list, but I'm not a terribly experienced player with skaven and I'm not a tournament goer (as yet).

Well, it's not my list. I suppose there's many ways of making it hard but I just want a Skaven player's opinion.

Do you think this list is bordering as a SAD? <_<

this army looks quite like a huge horde for which skaven can be (a good thing), it does not look SAD (omid and i both hate that word :lol: ) and seems like quite a laugh especiallt when the clanrats panic and flee.

i would advise though that you do not take 10 jezzails as that is a little boring to play (as i know from experiance) but it would be cool if instead you put a WLC into the army as they are pretty good (not when they misfire though- "puff of green smoke, how unreliable is that then" ;) )

hope i helped ^_^

To be honest, I think it is a SAD force; only slightly.

I mean, it's got the insane amount of magic from the warlock engineers , 10 jezzails and a few (too many?) gutter runners for disruption as the enemy comes to you.

All it needs is a WLC or two.

i have to say this list needs a bit more of heavy hitters cough- ironguts- cough or something to add some extra punch, try taking of a unit of gutter runners and possibly adding some rat ogres maybe, but hey your choice :)

What's the use of heavy hitters when you have heavy firepower? Anyway, that's using some Moulder Clan unit. This armylist is just Skryre & Eshin.

So this list IS bordering on SAD. You guys mentioned adding WLC, but isn't WLC adding to the SAD-iness of the list? :blink:

Yes a WLC is in a SAD army but you asked us if it was SAD and we said yes/no/maybe; we then said it required a WLC to transfer it to the SAD side.

Also, farsight suggested some ironguts which wasn't a bad idea. You need some hard hitters because, eventually, the enemy will get to you, and when it does you're going to need something to finish it off. Ironguts are DoW so it sort of makes sense as Skryre are one of the richer clans.

It can't be a SAD because it has next too no magic. Two spells isn't that worrying. Its got a strong shooting phase, but its not a SAD.

also having one model added to your army (WLC) won't make your army sad, it's more the player controling the army which will make the list sad thats why i suggested some DOW in the form of our chubby freinds (when you pay them of course) Ogres.

you don't need to rigedly stick to the idea of an army, just make a reason why you have it, e.g the ogres because the skaven are relativly rich as a result of all that thieving i mean borrowing money ^_^

A SAD army has nothing to do with how the player plays, its purely a AL thing, and this army isn't a SAD. Its strong in the Shooting phase, but that and magic are the only placed you can get the kill really, but it is week in the magic phase. Thus no sad. 3+ Ratlings and 10+ PD = SAD.

I see. So it's not a SAD army. Maybe I'll reduce the Wind Globadiers and Jezzails so I can add ONE WLC. Anyway, I still won't add in the Ogres - not to say that they are not effective, they are indeed; but I'll keep to an ALL-RAT Skryre/Eshin Clan army! hehehe. :ph43r:

i was just wondering does anyone reckon that it would be ok if i took 10 jezzails (no WLC) just ten jezzails as i need to get some more points? :huh:

IMO, I think it's ok. My knights would hate it but at least you still have to roll-to-hit. It's not as bad as a Ratling Gun IMO. :P

true thats why i take a ratling gun and a warpfire thrower (both have misfired for the last three games on turn 1 :( , ooh well thats skaven for you) also i would recomend that everyone buys the lustria book when i arrives as it rocks. ^_^

i have started to like jezzails alot now aswell, last game i took 3 wounds of a treeman and then charged in a unit of 4 rat swarm bases (they didn't beat it but held it up for around 7 turns, just long enough)

anyone know how to beat a reall heavy skink army as i used to collect lizardmen as my best force and was pretty good (head gets bigger), how would i beat them :unsure: ?

What's so hard about Skinks? :huh:

They're skirmished - so no rank bonuses. Low WS and Low T means they can get beaten up pretty easy even by slaves. :blink: