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| That would be th UK version, got mine today too - though as of yet its unread. But from the rumours I've heard the Cauldron is suppose to be something akin to the Screaming Bell, but releases dieases instead (although it should still have the 'misfire' on doubles rule). |
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| [21:19] <+Dragonkin> The two army lists in it are really the main interesting bit, and the problem with them is that they're not generic - the Skaven list has Nurglitch as a compulsory character, and the lizardmen must take Tenehuain. [21:19] <+darkprincess> what's this big dinosaur thingy that the lizzies have in the new WD ? [21:19] <+Dragonkin> Both being Lord Choices. [21:20] <+Dragonkin> DP: It's basically a stone thrower with magical and flaming attacks that can move and fire and is mounted on a big lizard. [21:20] <+darkprincess> Dragonkin: thats a hell of a lizard - it looks HUGE in the pic ! [21:21] <@The_Ol_Dwarf> ^^ [21:21] <+Dragonkin> DP: Yeah... problem is that at least some staff members here thinks it's a conversion, rather than a new model =/ [21:21] <+Lethalis> it is, isn't it? [21:21] <+darkprincess> Dragonkin: so is it or isn't it ? [21:21] <+Dragonkin> It's apparantly one of them big Kroot lizards with a carnosaur head. [21:22] <+Dragonkin> DP: I don't know, since I haven't seen it on any release schedule. [21:22] <+darkprincess> Dragonkin: I thought it was a large scale cold one model or something [21:23] <+Dragonkin> DP: Yeah, looks a bit like it... [21:23] <+Dragonkin> I also find it interesting that the picture section of the book shows stuff like jezzails and ratling guns, but they aren't even in the Skaven list to begin with =P [21:23] <@The_Ol_Dwarf> FW maybe? Just for a bit of fun =P [21:24] <+darkprincess> Dragonkin: looks interesting though - I guess the rules for it are in the lustria book yes ? [21:24] <+Dragonkin> Yeah. [21:25] <+darkprincess> Dragonkin: ok [21:25] <+Dragonkin> But it can only be used with that specific list which requires specific special characters. [21:25] <+darkprincess> Dragonkin: that sucks :( [21:25] * Daeric has joined #WarhammerFantasy [21:25] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Daeric [21:26] <+Dragonkin> Red Crested Skinks are nasty though - no penalty for moving in jungles/woods (even if ranked up), only affected by plague censers on a 6, hate skaven, immune to poison... [21:27] <+Dragonkin> Hmm... looking at the Knarlocs on the forge world website though, they look nothing like the critter carrying the war machine. [21:27] <+Dragonkin> Hmm... looking at the Knarlocs on the forge world website though, they look nothing like the critter carrying the war machine. [21:27] <+Dragonkin> Might be a model, I guess, even though it'll be ridiculously specialized. [21:28] <+darkprincess> Dragonkin: are they likely to release such a big (and thus expensive) model if it can't be used in a standard lizards list ? [21:28] <+Dragonkin> Dunno... it wouldn't surprise me, really, they might just hope for flavour of the month. [21:28] <+Dragonkin> Or wait two weeks and then tell people they don't have to use the special characters anymore. [21:29] <+Dragonkin> The lists are still legal outside the campaign, anyway, it's just that you're forced to use those special chars, which really dates the list (since Nurglitch has to be before Clan Pestilens got a spot on the Council) [21:29] <+Daeric> whats the tpoic? [21:29] <+Daeric> topic [21:30] <+Dragonkin> Hey Daeric [21:30] <+Daeric> hi [21:30] <+Dragonkin> Lustria book, atm. [21:30] <+Daeric> k [21:31] <+Daeric> thats just reminded me, I need to get the new WD [21:31] <+darkprincess> Dragonkin: I don't like this requirement that the list can only be used with certain characters - I think most players were hoping for a more generic variant list [21:31] <+Dragonkin> DP: Yeah... especially since there are lord level characters in there. [21:31] <+darkprincess> Daeric: I got it today - not too bad. better than some recent issues (less ogres in it) [21:31] <+Daeric> yay [21:31] <+Dragonkin> DP: I do like the changes they did to the Clan Pestilens wizards. [21:32] <+darkprincess> Dragonkin: what changes are there ? [21:32] <+Dragonkin> Instead of just being able to cast Pestilens Breath, they know Pestilent Breath when level 1. If they're level 2, they gain Plague, and at level 3 they gain Death Frenzy. [21:32] <+Dragonkin> The lord level wizard is level 2, and can upgrade to level 3 for 60 pts. [21:32] <+Daeric> sounds reasonable [21:32] <+darkprincess> fair enough [21:32] <+Zee> aww... no Crystal of Midnight rapage... [21:33] <+Daeric> whats his base pints cost? [21:33] <+Daeric> points [21:33] <+Dragonkin> The pusbags are an interesting unit, but I can't see them being converted up much. [21:33] <+Dragonkin> Daeric: Can't remember, to be honest. [21:33] <+Daeric> k [21:33] * +Daeric pushbags? [21:34] <+Dragonkin> Skaven Slaves at 3 pts each... [21:34] <+Daeric> expendable fodder at its best [21:34] <@The_Ol_Dwarf> Quick Q, the revised lore - Do they have to be used? Or is it optional? [21:34] <+Dragonkin> They can't get spears or shields anymore, but can buy flails. They get the Cloud of Flies ability, but d6 models die every turn. [21:34] <+darkprincess> yeah it sounds like a good list - be better if it was generic [21:34] <+Daeric> its slaves through, you always take them in units of 40 [21:34] <+Dragonkin> Yeah... [21:35] <+Daeric> I did when i was playing around with skaven [21:35] <+Dragonkin> But would you convert up 40+ slaves with flails for a list that requires a special character? [21:35] <+Daeric> probably not [21:35] <+Zee> Yeah [21:35] <+darkprincess> Dragonkin: quickj answer - no [21:36] <+Dragonkin> They also get Rotten Rodents - Clanrats, except T4, and slightly different weapon options (can take xhw, not sure if they get armour/shield) [21:36] <+Daeric> through I keep meaning to start a skaven army [21:36] <+darkprincess> interesting [21:36] <+Dragonkin> There's one hero choice in the list that isn't a full plague monk, can't remember his name. [21:36] <+Daeric> where did that unit appear from [21:36] <+Dragonkin> They also get giant rats and rat ogres - neither have pack masters, but both have frenzy, and Rat Ogres aren't stupid in this list. [21:38] <+Dragonkin> All in all, it's a pretty fluffy list since they have to make a Clan Pestilens list with no non-pestilens stuff in it. [21:38] <+Dragonkin> But I really hate the fact that you have to take a special character. [21:38] <@Nagathi> hiya, Piotr [21:38] * +darkprincess wonders how much beer had to be downed for them to come up with the ogres... [21:38] <+Dragonkin> Especially since it's a stupid compound character consisting of Nurglitch, a censer bearer and a monstrous giant rat, all with a single profile. [21:38] <+Dragonkin> Hey Iyagd [21:38] <+Iyagd> hey [21:39] <+Daeric> that does sound stupid [21:40] <+Dragonkin> It's also fairly nasty... it has a plague censer, it's immune to plague censers, lore of nurgle, and all skaven magic apart from warp lightning... [21:40] <+darkprincess> Daeric: it IS stupid, and I think it might actually affect sales of the new stuff if they can only be used in a restricted way [21:40] <+Dragonkin> Oh, and as long as Nurglitch is alive, the entire Skaven army will never lose its frenzy. [21:40] <+Daeric> yep stupid [21:40] <+darkprincess> oh lovely :( [21:41] <+Daeric> whats wrong? [21:41] <+darkprincess> Daeric: sorry, that was a sarcastic comment about the list [21:42] <+Dragonkin> Yeah... it could have been done so much better =/ [21:42] <+Zee> As everything GW's ever done, right? ;) [21:42] <+Dragonkin> Nah, they've done the occasional thing right, especially compared to this nonsense. |
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| [21:40] <+Dragonkin> Oh, and as long as Nurglitch is alive, the entire Skaven army will never lose its frenzy.> |