Tell me what do you think about this combo.

Tomb king

-Scorpion Armour
-Ankh´s Spear
-Cloak of dunes

This character can stop a cavalry unit or charge alone to any unit...

With the scorpion armour, we only lose a wound by turn for the combat resolution. And we can regenerate it with the ankh´s spear each turn.

:fight:

It's an old combo but has a few problems:

1.You need magic to charge your enemy,otherwise the enemy charges your king and stops you (you can't charge with the Cloak).
2.The spear isn't reliable to cause much damage at a heavily armoured unit.
3.How does your Hierophant escapes your opponent's fastest unit if he isn't equipped with the cloak? :(

Its illegal anyway.

The TK/TP may only use those magic weapons that can be used in the mundane version by him too. A spear can only be used when he's mountd on a chariot. So this applies for the Ankh's Spear too.

Still the spear and the scorpion armour are a great combo, only that we can only use it when riding a chariot.

Thats not true, you can use the spear ogf antharak of a character on foot as well, where did you get the idea that he could only have it ona chariot????

Its because a TK/TP may only use a mundane spear when riding in a chariot. A character is only allowed to use magic stuff that he can use in its mundane version too. E.g. a BSB may not use the enchanted shield, a wizard may not wear magic armour.

So the only possibility for a TK/TP to use a magic spear is to meet the requirements needed for him to carry a mundane spear - to put him on a chariot.


At least that is my interpretation - of course I give no guarantee that Im right.

I did not know that

Does it say "If the Tomb King is riding a chariot, he may use a spear?" That would be odd - a lot of characters have the option for a regular, infantry spear, and all characters who have the lance option don't have that wording - you can, in fact, buy a lance for a character on foot, he just won't get any bonus for it.

It actually does say the spear may only be taken by a character on a chariot... And the spear of antarhak says it follows all the normal rules for spears, so it might seem that way.

But on the wording of the spear of antarhak it says restores a wound to the weilder, his chariots or the unit he is accompanying. This indicates to me that he can take the spear on foot and use it normally. AB lets me, even though it is not always completely right, so I'm not really sure if its allowed or not.

It can be taken on foot or mounted, , notice under chariot of fire magic item how it says,"character in chariot only", or under dOE it says "character on foot "

So what?! That is no evidence, whatsoever!

The Chariot of Fire needs the note "characters on chariots only", because there is no mundane version of a Chariot of Fire, like there is of most weapons and armour. Although its rather obvious that the character needs a chariot to take it, this is mentioned explicitly in the rules to avoid misunderstanding.

The DoE states "characters on foot only", because normally a character on a chariot CAN take a two-handed sword. So with the note this option is discluded.

All this has nothing to do though with the Spear of Antarhak. The Spear discludes the note "character in chariot only" because it is clear that it may only be taken by a character on a chariot anyway, because it follows all the rules of a mundane spear. The more I think about it, the more obvious it appears to me that.

About this:

A TK/TP can join a chariot unit. So the wording gives no indication that by using the word "unit" they mean that the Spear of Antahak would be able to be used on foot.


Any evidence on how the rule is here would be great, any FaQ, WD issue etc.

It is evidence.
It specifically states when certain items can and can not be taken. It does this in most army books
Second Im pretty sure the mundane rule to take magic items only applies to armour. does not apply to magic items in the first place. The crook and flail of radiance has no mundane equivalent ,besides 2 hand weapons, which a tomb king can not take.

look at it this way. Can a liche high priest take a flail normally? No. Can he take the blade of mourning and some other magic weapons? Yes.

I now think that may be the case, if the spear was intended for chariots only then it would have said so. Every other item that can only be used in special cases from every army specifically says so regardless of the mundane version.

hm, this is a tough one. hes got a point with the ''counts as a spear in all aspects''

Care to add something constructive? If not, don't post. KU

If you're not sure, ask your opponent what he thinks about it.. If he doesn't mind, then the problem is solved. If he does mind, the problem is solved as well..

Personally, I think you can use him on foot. I just regard to spears as infantry weapons, look at the skeleton spearmen etc..


Darlan

No real need with my opponents, they trust army builder and thats how I make my lists. As long as it lets me I can do it by them.

I asked the GW shop assistant here and said that you can use the spear on foot.The reference "follows all the normal rules for spears" apply to the bonuses of spears and and the main book states that magic weapons follow the rules of their mundane versions only when the reference of the magic weapon states it.I also agree with Kingphesphestus. :D

As I dont know the right answer, I am not going to argue about the matter anymore unless someone comes up with some evidence (e.g. a FAQ) on what the right rule is, because I can see both sides and I think that both solutions would be possible.

I merely want to point out that GW assistants are usually the worst people you can ask when it comes to rules questions. I have experienced so often that they give wrong information, even on very easy things (have you ever rolled 2D6 on the stupidity table? :blink: ). So Im afraid that asking those dudes will bring some confusion into the discussion but it wont help solving the problem.

By the way, I noticed that on the Khemri sight the same discussion came up. While there too nobody could find the right answer, the tendency was to believe that because the Spear follows all the rules of a normal spear one could not use it on foot. Of course thats no evidence either.

Regarding the rather long thread over there and the amount of people taking part in the discussion, it seems unlikely that nobody would have found a FAQ if it really existed yet. So I guess that until then the question if taking the Spear on foot is allowed will be subject to home rule interpretation.

Spears can be used on foot.

Heres a question for you if you take the spear in a chariot and the chariot is destroyed can you still use the spear ?

Yes you can.If you are on the chariot you gain +1S.If you ''fell off'' the chariot you can used as normal.

I know since you can use it once your chariot is destroyed why couldn't you take it while on foot in the first place. Also you only get the +1 st when you charge

ok heres the answer for ya.
in the VC book, theres this magic bow that you can give to your vampires and vampires have no option for taking a normal bow.

so I'm pretty sure this solves this argument

Well, thats a somewhat different matter. A Vamp cant take a bow AT ALL.

A TK/TP CAN take a mundane spear, but only when he rides a chariot. As the Spear of Antarhak follows the rules of a mundane spear, one could well assume that he may only use it on a chariot too.

That a tricky question that is obviously not covered by the rules. If we stick close to the wording of the rules, he would not be able to use it if his chariot is destroyed. On the other hand it would seem strange for a TK to throw his precious spear away after he has already lost his chariot.

Once again this is subject to home rule interpretation.

I could be wrong but im pretty sure your mixing up the rules for magic armour with Magic weapons, its a spear, it follows all the rules for a spear which means if in a chariot and charge get +1s , if on foot and in the second row, somehow, can attack from there. Just becasue you can't take the mundane version of a weapon does not preclude you from takeing the magic version of that weapon, its not like magic armour.