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Wood Elves: Concept and early design phase at this point. THe range will be redone making the woodelves a lot wilder (and somewhat creepy ) The Dryads will no longer be trees, but return to more traditional dryads, i.e. wood nymphs (creepy chicks). There will be new troop types including Elk (stag) riders and a sort of swarm/fairy type troop made up of pissed off fuzzy woodland critters. There will be a new metal treeman and best of all, possibly the most joyous news to come out of GW in decades is that there will be a new elven steed! In general the WE will not be HE without armor, instead will have a unique, feral feel to them. The concept art and the test greens that I saw were really great. :D

Do you know where I can see these early stages of their army, when are they coming out do you know.

It's only on early development ATM (SoC and Ogre kingdoms are coming out 1st) <_<
Try searhcing places like Portent for rumours and pics (I'll continue to look but if anyone finds anything feel free to post alink to here)

How do you get to know this info? Thanks. Pity. They will most likely come out after christmas then. Damn it.

well I like to look through all kinds of forums to find rumours, players-society.com portent.net and dakkadakka.com are probably the best sources

That would be great, lets hope these rumers are true.....

Futher rumours coing in though these are from spanish so not totally accurate

4 plastic regiments, Archers, cavalry, Spearmen and Wardances.

Core:

...Archers are 15 pts a man, if I understand it correctly.

...Cavalry are armed with Spears(or lances, hard to tell which) and bows.

...Wardancers are Core(?), don't really understand the rest, but I'm presuming that as you buy "dances" for them they become speciel, rare or whatever.

...Spearmen don't block the archer units line of sight

There's a whole lot of info about specials and rare there as well, something about Centaurs in particular aparantly they will be the heavy calvary kinda to counter centigors in the Beastmen vs Wood elves clash

Are these cavalry the glade riders?

Also am I right in thinking there will be 3 cav units in WE?

1) glade riders
2) Elk riders
3) centaurs

Can't wait till they come out. ^_^ and really appreciate the stuff you're getting gandalf. :wub:

The idea that spearmen don't block line of sight is really cool. That will make them much harder to play against, but it's such a cool idea.

Thanks for the compilment Xarhain, beats revising for the exams anyway. :lol:

I think those are Glade riders, it would certainly make them intresting, and in my mind seems more like what the WEs would do then charge into the enemy (might get 'infected' by those industrial barbarians :P)

What was the site please. I may be able to do more. I know someone who is good at spanish

sorry the site has exceeded it's bandwidth.

Latest rumours: I have good news and bad for woodelf players which comes directly from gav himself (once again i have spoken w/ him personally) Bad news: The woodelves are definately set for late 2005 after the Ogre Kingdoms in january and RoS(rise of sotek) in the spring. Good News they have already begun on the sculpting of the plastic regiments. There will be a bunch of new plastic regiments including archers and gladue riders. The woodelves will not have a ferrel theme. They will be presented as normal upstarty think their better then everyone else elves. They will still have the cloaks and the hair will have leaves and flowers in them. There will be almost no old models used for the new range. Orion was mentioned along w/ the queen but nothing on wether or not they will be special characters w/ new models. The woodelves will get a lot of new beasties and the list will be presented so as you can have an army completely devoid of woodelves or all woodelves or a pleasant mix of both. Dryads are to be presented in more elven forms. They are going to be the best sculpted models to have ever been turned out for warhammer fantasy. They will not be a copy of the beastmen as some have suspected w/ their rules. They will also have a campaign unto themselves during the SOC campaign against the beastmen. So all in all they will be very exciting to see when they come out.

A friend of mine is going to be very pleased with the improvements, so thank you Gandalf. He won't like it that WE are coming out after Ogre Kingdoms. and I had a little question; what exactly is this Rise of Sotek you mentioned? Anyway thanks for the info and on behalf of my friend keep it coming ;)

F'lar

Rise of Sotek i believe is a new mini campaign involving lizardmen 9surprise surprise) not heard much about I would ask those who know about Lizardmen in their forum not me.

Edit: fooly, do that again and I will report that to the Mods, there is no need to spam.

Thanks for the info Gandalf...well look like they will be really cool and another army to buy...sigh my poor wallet....I don't understand are they going to release a new army list of WE for SoC?If so when this new list will came out?

Did somebody say Spanish?? :D I may be young, but I'm pretty good at Spanish. What needs translating?

Well i know spanish(Spanish,French English and obviously Italian...) as well but Gandalf said that the site is no longer on-line...
so is going to came out a new WE list for SOC?

Hi. I have found a web with WE rumors that are in part the same posted here. This is a translation (i am spanish):

Core:
Archers, 15 pts and skirmishers.
Glade riders, armed with lance and bow.
Wardancers will be core.
Spearmen, the same with two nices additions, they dont block LOS to archers and wardancers can charge through them.

Special:
Dryads, will be tree species with special skills, will no longer be skirmishers.
Centaurs, heavy cavalry.
Faeries, a kind of swarm.
Eagles.
Warhawk riders, like bretonnia pegasus knights.

Rare:
Treemen, of different species.
Maidens, a kind of "vampire counts" maiden, they sing and prevent enemy from attack. Also nices in hth.
Way Watchers, retain 5th ed. skills and can hunt enemy scouts with an extra attack before battle begins.


A new one hero, beastmaster with bears, tigers, etc...
New elf magic, similar in some ways to khemri, and particular of WE.
Lots of "living objects".
WE will hate beastmen as traditional enemies.
Various wood elf subraces, with special skills.
A new history, to explain reasons of their presence in the old world.

Well, it is all that i have found, and the web where i have found it is not usually wrong in their predictions. Original article in:

http://www.bregolas.com/modules.php?name=N...=article&sid=46

Bye.

Thanks a lot telemaco!!!

This is absoloutely fantastic!!! Especially with wardancers core. I'm guessing there'll be a restriction, like only 1 wardancer unit for every unit of archers/guard. Also amazing is the different species for treemen!!

Dryads being a ranked unit is kinda a mixed blessing, one the one hand it enables us to make a powerful unit with normal bonus', but of course lose manoverablility.

Centaurs sound f**king amzing!!! A nice heavy cavalry unit, centigor style I assume.

Beastmaster!!! Finally!!. I reckon he'll be able to buy different animals to form a unit around him or something.


Also I've been working at translating that page you said. I'm not great at spanish but I dredged up:

• Wardancers perhaps being a plastic box (!!!)
• 4 plastic boxes: glade riders, archers, glade guard, wardancers(hopefully)
• Wardancers are core but pay extra for dances they purchase
• Wardancers jump (?) over the glade guard, thats why they can charge through them. Similar to skinks and krox i suppose.
• Warhawk riders have simlilar stats to peg knights
• Waywatchers get their old traps back
• new Wood Elf magic lore
• something about a rule for dryads, unpassable wall or something. I'm guessing perhaps unbreakable? Or something similar
• released spring 2005

I realise you said some of that Telemaco, but I wanted to pratice my spanish!

*initiating grumble mode*

New lore... why do all the elves get new lores... everyone gets a new lore... only people who didn't get a new lore were humans, and they don't count... grumble... why can't Slann have their own lore... mumble.... HE get their own lore and all the rulebook lores... mutter... we're meant to be the best....

*terminating grumble mode*

Glad to see the WE are getting a reward for their patient waiting. However - WHERE ARE THE CHAOS DWARVES?

Don't grumble too much or you'll transform yourself from a Slann to a Dwarf ;)


Good Army....seems our wallet will open once again for them... :( .....

I agree where are Chaos Dwarves?

another bit of news from your favourite detective from the dutch GT

-WE will defiantly be coming out in 2005. A lot of the army will be plastic. Currently what the studio doesn't like about the army is that it plays like a 40k one. They want to change that and they think they have found the right balance.

-Army will be divided between forest entities and elves or a mix of both.
-Lots of plastics
-No centaurs (But I think with all the plastics you can convert them with WE plastics and use the as GR).

Bah, Humbug! No centaurs! I still am conssidering doing them but I want to do a few other armys as well. Oh the decisions.

I thought that the Slanns could use every lore, regardless of where it is found.

er.... you really think Slaan would use such lores as dark magic or slaanesh tzeentch or nurgle magic?

:unsure:

That's how it was worded, but they probably fixed that, I don't know I haven't read the book yet.

And don't you think they should be able to tap into any lore, seeing as how they helped engineering the creation of magic on this world.

But none of this matters, this is a wood elf thread, so let the conversation return to them.

More rumours for you
The reason Wood Elves have taken so long is they are recieving a COMPLETE overhaul, as opposed to a simple 'update' in the case of most armies.

The new models are ace, the armour seems very 'leafy' but in in recognisable leaves, it's organically, yet sharply shaped. If anyone has seen the John Howe (?) painting 'Legolas and Gimli' , they look somewhat like Legolas' armour, though without the facial visor.

The capes on the models look EXCELLENT and flow. All the models I saw (Riders and Glade Guard) had an amazing sense of motion to them and were superb in ever way.

Dryads look like women made of tree for the most part, are most excellent looking. Bad wording, but it's the truth! They look excellent though.

Reliability: 50-60%
Source: GW store manager

Wood Elves WILL be receiving centaurs (Think chaos centigors, but more woodsie).
Dryads will be more feminine (i.e semi-naked women) think old-to-new harpies.

Then there is the other one, which he didn't seem sure on, there might be two sizes of Tree-man. An ogre (or current model size one) and a larger(posiibly giant sized) one. The small ones MIGHT be units, but will be toned way down.

If GW are using 'a complete overhaul' as an excuse for the army taking so long that is pretty poor in my opinion. Chaos have received pretty much a complete overhaul and Tomb Kings and Ogre Kingdoms are whole new armies, but they still get released first (grumble, grumble...)

I haven't fielded my Wood Elf army for a little while now, but one of the reasons I have recently started collecting Beasts is so they can fight the new Wood Elves I will inevitably buy when they released proper.

Speaking of which, I heard a rumour from a GW staff member that some of the Wood Elf concepts will be on display at Gamesday. This might mean that Wood Elf preview seminars may also be running. Maybe the concepts will be the same ones Gandalf has already seen...? Who knows?

Anyway, is anyone going Gamesday? If so, it would be nice if they could keep us updated with any Wood Elf info they uncover....

PS: Gandalf, where did you see the Wood Elf concept models? I have a number of friends in GW, but none of them say they have seen them yet. Of sourse, they could just be keeping it to themselves... :angry:

I grabbed this little bit of WE info from Machiara's (spelling?) battle glade. They in turn got it from a Portent Forum discussion. Some interesting new WE rules:

GW just starting play testing with them and we were told a few cool bits of info:

1: they are definately getting their own spell law

2: They'll lose no -1 at long range but get no -1 for moving and will get bonuses for closer range (unspecified) the idea is to get WE to perform more hit and run rather than standing on the opposite table edge and shooting.

3: There will be lord, hero, core, special and rare non-elf units i.e. a lord tree spirit etc. allowing WE to take all elf, all tree sprits or a mixture of the two.

4: The models are going to be much more dynamic to look like they're jumping out of the woods for a few shots before running away.

sounds cool, but we lose the -1 armor modifier ( i think thats what they mean)...looks like we'll be planning more ambushs in the future

oh and by the way what's the "no -1 for moving" mean?

I do know that according to GW (and in the pdf file on their website) woodelf arrows are armour piercing at close range. Which, if like 40k means we can negate armour to a point, is a good thing. I'm not exactly sure on fantasy rules for armor piercing. oh well

The "no -1 for moving" refers to the modifier on shooting when the unit has moved, namely the -1 to hit.

I could tell ya but then I'd have to kill ya :P
I expect there will be information about woodies at this years Games day considering they are already confrimed that they are writing the WE book on the GW forums, so if anybody is going some pics wouldbe very nice (i unfortunately can't go being the firt week of uni -_- , but i will keep my eyes peeled afterwards for any information

some information from the US Games Day Chicago website:

The new Wood Elf Army Book will be out late 2005 or early 2006. A lot of work has been done on the visuals of the army. The Wood Elf list will be constructed more like an organized army, while still retaining an ambush feel.

Thanks for the info. I like the WE. I like them alot.

Do any of you of what might be in £100 army deal box set?

I'm almost definitely going, so I'll bring my digi cam. Have to figure out how it works though... :huh:

Gandalf, how about you tell me, then try to find me?? I NEED to see those minis!!

Apparently the new Warhammer ranges that will be on display at Gamesday are the Ogre Kingdoms :angry: and some new DoW stuff, including a new Dark Elf :angry: unit (the Druchii get everything: update, new super-hard Slaaneshi list, new unit...).

Ummm... I guess they will be like the painted display models though, so there still might be a possibility of seeing some Wood Elf concept-type stuff (maybe greens or some artwork??)

When is late 2005? August?

The Dark Elves have the largest race specific site on the internet- they can more of less make themselves heard. Besides, there are a bunch of other DoW units, not just Druchii, and the manflayers were from a couple editions back.

Some more rumours casuallyplucked before the advent of lots of information from the UK Games Day
1) Dryads will no longer have the -1 attack ability

hurrah! that was waaaaay too powerful. 1 attack back from the front rank? thats if none die!

2) archers will be 10 man minimum.

3) archers will have penalty for over half range but no penalty for move and shoot. (i think thats right..... not 100% on that one)

4) arrows no longer armour piercing!

This is because i hear the new army will be geared more towards the elves closing in on their foes..... and of course in the middle of the woods how often do you get the chance to stand back with a clear view of the enemy all the time loosing volley after volley of arrows into them.



There are several points they want to change: no "great killers" archers, and they do not want neither dancers not dryads win always a combat if they charge front side of the enemy. So, both archers and dryads/dancers will have major changes. They told me some POSSIBILITIES, but, I repeat it again, they are testing right now.

Talking about archers, I dont know about armour piercing, but I was informed they lost no long range -1 penaltie "bonus"... but get a no -1 hitting penaltie if they move. Minimum of 10 for units was mentioned too.

Dryads: as a matter of fact, the changes I was told were SO MUCH, I prefer not to say nothing at all. Sorry boys, but I believe I am not a reliabilty source for them.

Magic phase: They keep the "singing to trees" spell, but there will be NO new magic, althought there will be "more magic trouble for the enemies" apart from magic (believe me: if what I was told is for real, woodelves magic phase will be a headache).

More new units (swarms, animals, a "monster unit" (kroxigors or ushabtis' size)), new miniatures (treeman, bigger this time), and so on. You know...

Possibities and test phase right now: keep in mind.

Cool Tools!

Did anybody see any test models or greens? Did anybody take a Camera?

Not that I claim to be a great source, but I was told by a member of staff at the Newcastle & the Gateshead Metrocentre store that Armour piercing was being replaced by killing blow.

That would be interesting.