do you think that drugs are addictive and dangerous?

have you tried any, and are you addicted to them.

I personally have tried a variety of drugs, and can honestly say that i'm not addicted to them, but for that latter they can halm you, but what I'v found is that they don't seem to have you physically, but more mentally.. .. the effects of them on your mind is weird, but scarey at the same time.. .. I find the most damaging is canabis and not class A's.. .. odly enough, although the class A's do keep you comming back fro more, I can see how they can bcome additive, but if your mind is strong enough then you can withstand them and not get hooked.. ..

The way I look at it, you know how people often do things they regret when hammered? Well, people don't always seem to have there best choices with mind altering items. Sure, some people say that they keep things under control in that state. Then again, not everyone is responsible.

All I can say, the chemicals are Baad! Like really bad. Like awful. Deadly. Scary addictive. Meth, crack, heroine. Those are the bad ones.

Then, on the other hand, you have Alcheehol, Tabaccey, and Marijuana. There not Soooo bad I think. Actually, in my opinion, joints are better than cigs. There not addictive and give you a bigger edge off. Still, drugs'r'bad mmmkay.

I really don't try drugs. I've seen people OD on Meth and Crank, and a friend in my childhood go to rehab for heroin. Class A's are bad, they cost too much, and can really mess you up.

Marijuana, however, can be of some use to people who have problems dealing with stress, or chronic depression. Look at any serious study on the subject. And even though I don't think Tobacco is a 'safe drug', either, I do agree that sometimes Alcohol can help with some problems. Just make sure you don't use too much, and do something stupid.

I used to be a HUGE addict to pain killers. Also, my sister was addicted to meth. I can tell you that it seriously @#$%s you up. Meth will literally alter the landscape of the brain. My sister's lucky she's not a seriously burned out druggie. But I do think that Marijuana is better than Alcohol, just because it relaxes you and has no after affect. Alcohol can turn you into a violent dumbass, Marijuana just turns you into a dumbass. XP

Didn't Crystal Meth Act as a catalyst that caused the HIV/AIDS Virus to mutate?

I don't know know about that, I've seen people become quite insightful while under the effects of Marijuana. As for the alchohol turning you into a violent dumbass bit, I think that really depends on one's natural personality and not the inclusion of alchohol in the system.

All alchohol does is help remove the limitations one put's on one's self. I've gotten blitzed out of my mind on more than one occassion, and not once have I ever had the urge to smash someone's face in. I have however been known to become more outspoken and assertive while tanked, as I am usually a quiet person who often stays and can be lost in the background.

That's pretty much the same with me while drinking, but as for the "insightful pot-smoker" bit, I'm not too sure, mostly when my friends and I used to take it we just went into giggle fits and stuff we said SEEMED insightful because we were stoned XD

I have tried other drugs but none of them seemed to have a real effect on me at all. Someone thought it'd be funny to spike my beer with an exstacy tablet at a music festival but all it actually did was make me forget about seeing the "Foo Fighters" live, I didn't even realise they played there until one of my friends told me afterwards that they were there and not only did I see them, I was in the middle of the mosh pit and I STILL can't even remember a bloody thing about it. Needless to say I never did exstacy again.

Tried cocaine once but that had no effect on me whatsoever so I never did that again (although one of my best friends is going to group therapy for cocaine addiction). Also at the festival, a friend rolled up a spliff using acid instead of cannabis, I headed to the toilets shortly after that and completely lost my sense of direction, took me about an hour to find the bloody things :eek:. My closest friends tell me that it's weird that I didn't get the same side-effects that they got from the drugs but I guess drugs have different effects on different people.

The drugs that I would NEVER try are obviously heroine, crack cocaine, anything that requires needles, PCP, etc. Again some of my friends did these in the past and they are strongly against me trying them too.

The worst drug that I tried is actually regular tobacco, I'm a non-smoker now but it took me so long to get rid of that habit. Sometimes I would be off it for months but I would quite randomly get a craving for it, generally seeing someone smoking in a pub. So for me this smoking ban in public places over here starting on the 26th is a blessing for me. It will mean that I will finally get rid of the craving for good (I've been smoke free for about 6 months now).

The only drug that seems to appeal to me is Modafinil, which would let me stay up longer and help me focus more, but I don't really have access to that.

I've tried a wine cooler and a cigarette before on different occasions. The wine cooler tasted absolutely horrible and only gave me a little bit of a buzz. The cig left me coughing and sputtering, and I had to wash my mouth out afterwards. >_<

Personally I never saw the point of any drug, aside from Pot which grows naturally has no real side-effects (though I think I read recently it can make people who are actually crazy even worse), and is actually better for you than alcohol, but ehn again I'm not a big drinker or a pot user.

It's like, "hey let's use Cocaine!"
"Why?"
"Cos it's cool!"
"Says who?"
"That guy there."
"The one selling it for £50 a bag?"
"Yeah."
"Need more convincing."
"OK, that guy there."
"The one who is addicted to it and will probably die of an overdose?"
"You're no fun."

Same thing for cigarettes.

"Hey let's smoke, it's cool."
"Actually I have better things to do with my life than die of lung cancer."

I never really saw the point, they @#$% up your health, cost you a shit load of money, and increse the likelyhood of getting horrible diseases...yeah..."cool."

I don't think many people try drugs to be cool (well those who do are complete idiots who won't stop because they keep convincing themselves that it is ¬_¬), they just want to try new things.

There's tons of things non-drug related that can harm or potentially kill you too (horse riding, rally driving, sky diving, skiing, etc.) but that doesn't stop people from trying/ doing them. Now I'm NOT saying that you should try drugs, if they want to or not is entirely up to the person, as are their reasons for doing them.

Don't clump all drug takers in one big group, but I have to agree with you on one point though, people who do something/ expect you to do something just by saying it's "cool" are just complete dumb arses XP

Trust me, I've been down that road and it is NOT pretty.

It's expensive, addicting(atleast psychologically), and the cops don't appreciate it too much. ;D

Though I do believe that marijuana should be legal, for the same reason the alchohol and tobacco are legal. Because we have the right to do what we wish with our own bodies.

Ok give me a @#$%ing GOOD reason to do drugs and I won't call all drugs takers bloody morons.

There's a slight difference between those physical activities and most illegal drugs. Crack cocain for example WILL kill you, but you "might" die while doing a parachuite jump, but they give you the training before hand and don't let you jump by yourself the first few times.


I means eriously, thats like comparing standing in front of moving train with your feet locked to the rails with driving a car across a railway crossing.

And that trying new things argument isn't convicing either. "Hey let's inject harmful substances into our bodies! It'll make us hallucinate and @#$% up our bodies! C'mon, we haven't done it before." I've never shot myself in the foot with a gun before, but I know it's not a good idea.

I have limited sympathy for people who get messed up by drugs.

After all, you'd think by now they'd have heard something bad.

you'd think that. but maybe the drugs have made them stupid and they can't think.

Saying "crack cocaine WILL kill you" sounds as if it would kill you right away, yes it MIGHT kill you straight away, just like any of those activities I said earlier MIGHT kill you. You have to keep in mind that not ALL people who try drugs would get addicted right away, (although the majority will) and even if they do get addicted, some of them get off the drugs. However as long as you're doing the drugs there's always a chance that they will kill you just like the dangerous activities I mentioned (I know that in the case of taking drugs the chance of death is increased while with skiing, etc. the chance of dying goes down with experience (as long as you don't take into account dangerous conditions) but I still think it's a good comparison).

You're right though there's no really good reason to do them, but then why did you try pot? I know that it's not really that dangerous but I'm sure there must be some people who consider you a moron for trying that particular illegal drug.

There's no real mystery. People do drugs for the same reason anyone does anything.

Is it wrong? I don't know. I don't think I have the right to tell people what they can and cannot put into their bodies.

And I don't think anyone here has any business in clasifying all drug addicts until you've been around them. I know what people are like who do drugs. Wanna knpw the big secret? They're the same as everyone else. There just looking for a good time, and the conequences don't seem to matter.

In a society where drinking is so widely excepted, you'd think there'd be more people in favor of legalizing drugs. You know why? Because we also live in a society that tells us it's wrong from birth.

drugs are wrong. My moms ex boyfriend did drugs. When I was little he would be in one room smoking a joint while I was in the other room when my mom was telling me not to go in there. Her boyfriend turned out to be a total freak. He and my mom would argue. He did something to me that wasn't right. Drugs might of messed up his head. I do not know. I have two uncle who are drug addics. Ones in jail for robbing a drug store. My other uncle had stolled my grandma stuff and saled it for drugs and got a card and put it in my moms name and used $600 on it for drugs and stuff like that. From what I heard he might be on his way to jail. My other uncle will be free when I turn 18. Drugs have also messed up my aunt danna. She only has one lung now. She is doing better with the drugs. She isn't as skinny as she was and she is doing much better.

I never said I tried pot now did I? I said I isn't really harmful, and it is actually better for you than alcohol, but I did not say that I had taken it. Oh and newsflash, it isn't illegal to posses pot in the UK.

Now are you going to apologise for making false assumptions and calling me a moron or do I have to start questioning your parentage? Because quite frankly if you're going to be in a debate you should at least know what you are talking about.

Yes ok I'm sorry for misunderstanding, it's just when you said "I'm not a big drinker or a pot user" I thought that you meant that you had tried pot but don't take it that often. It was my misinterpretation and I apologise.

Actually I do know what I'm talking about, I have friends with drug problems who are attempting to give them up. I don't just listen to the stuff from TV, I also get to hear about thier own first hand experience with them. My friends are not morons, yes they have their idiotic moments but they're no better or worse than you or me.

Just because some people take drugs does not mean that people will die from them, people can and do get off drugs and lead a normal life. Which I guess is what I really want my friends to do themselves. They have been trying like I said before but they do slip sometimes. Addiction can make otherwise briliant people act completely different, that is why I can't stand hearing people call them scum or morons.

In the end they're just people looking for a good time but go the wrong way about it. My friends are really dear to me, they look out for me when I'm in trouble and are always there to cheer me up. They're not dunces either, one of them started up his own modelling agency at the age of 18 (admittedly he lost interest after he got his first million and gave up, but that guy gets bored really easily anyway and it's still pretty impressive to be able to start your own company) and another is on his last year of "Classical Civilisation and Film studies" BSc course, they also both have chef training. So as you can see I really don't take kindly to people calling them morons just because of thier habit, when there's so much more to them than that.

Yes drugs are a stupid waste of a life but you just can't judge people based on that one detail. I don't think drugs are right, I don't think they're necessary (apart from medical drugs obviously) but you have no right to call them morons for the mistakes they make.
I realise that, I did call them morons myself in a previous post but I was really hoping not to get my friends drug habits into the conversation but your constant bitching drove me to it and I would really rather not go any futher into their lives ok?

So what we can't call idiots idiots now?

And yes I am aware that people can get off drugs, however, my post were reffering to the people who don't take the advice and keep doing them. And let's be honest, the best way to get off drugs is to not be so idiotic to start taking them in the first place.

And amazingly a persons job and qualifications doesn't stop them being a moron. I mean, look at George Bush. As for Chef training, and? My sisters Ex-was a chef, didn't stop him being a tit. A persons job or qualification does not automatically stop them from beign stupid.

Do these friends of yours still take drugs, or did they get it into their heads that it was pretty bloody stupid?


If you become addicted to and don't get off crack, it's going to kill you, or at the very least make your life pretty shit, that I think we can agree on.

Well if what you mean by idiot is "deviod of all mental functions" then no, but I will let you off if you just mean "severely lacking in common sense", I can agree that me and my friends are like that sometimes.

I did say in my last post that they were attempting to give up but keep slipping, they used to be alot worse though, they did get off the crack and heroine (admittedly they did heroine before I even met them but I heard about it from thier parents), thier main hang up now is regular cocaine they slip once in a while but they're taking it alot less now than they used to.

And yes I do agree with your last statement. Crack can give you strong feelings of paranoia, so crack heads don't usually go outside or talk to people. So even if it doesn't kill you, it will ruin your life.

Easy-Phil -
From what I am getting at, you think drugs are not as big as a deal as people put it out to be. It doesn't just screw up their lives, it screws up family and friends too. You do the stupidest things when you are adddicted to something and do anything to get it. Yes it is a big deal.

I won't lie, I've done some drugs.
Nothing like meth or stuff like that, mind you...
I've tried pot and I've smoked cigarettes when I was younger, in my early teens, to be exact.

I don't see the point in doing those drugs, now that I'm older and wiser, nor was I ever addicted to them.

Mind you, I still smoke my tobacco pipe every blue moon, such as the rare writing night and party. I don't see myself as being addicted to it, as I don't seem to have a 'craving' for smoking, nor do I see myself smoking it everyday, as mentioned earlier.

You might have a different opinion on this, mind you, but I've said what can be said.

Erti- I am not saying that it isn't a big deal. I realise it is, all I'm saying is that not every drug addict acts like the people you were describing before, although alot of them do. I'm just glad that most of my friends who take drugs aren't like that. I'm fully aware that drugs can ruin bonds between friends and family. There was another person who I was close to but he was so deeply into the grips of addiction that he completely stopped interacting with the outside world altogether, he was always looking to get his fix and didn't care about anything else. I still haven't heard from him in the past 5-6 years, my other friends don't want to end up like him, which is why they're attempting to give up the drugs.

Sorry but I like to see thoes things off the streets and thoes people are my Family and moms ex (but I hate him). It doesn't cause just ruin bonds between friends and families. It causes so much stress having to deal with my uncle tom and tim and the other people who do drugs. Like I said my uncle tim being in jail and tom stealing crap to sale to by drugs. God knows what my moms ex is up to. Probley living with his mom or in jail. Drugs mess up your head really really BAD. I am glade your friends arn't like them but if they keep doing it its just going to mess them up.

Thank you for your concern about my friends, like I said before, they've gotten a long way in giving up drugs and I have confidence that they will give up the cocaine too. I'm really sorry to hear about your family though, maybe some time in jail would give your uncle Tim time to detox and prioritise what's more important to him in life. As for Tom, someone should probably give him a slap and tell him to wake up before he loses more than his belongings. Probably set up some kind of intervention with family and friends, if you've already done that then sorry for even mentioning it :eek:

I agree with you totally.. .. But some people to take them, jus coz the think its cool.. ..

The only reason I took esctacy is because of the music I listen to, it enhances the feeling you get from the music and puts you at one with those you are taking them with.. .. not that I'm trying to big-up taking them though.. .. they can be very dangerous, 1 Bad pill and its game over, I suppose thats part of the whole experience in taking them.. .. .. but taking E's will catch up with you in later life, i.e depression, E's relese a chemical into your body that your brian can only produce a certian amount of and when your out, you'll be depressed and have to take other drugs to sort out, it also ages your skin a lot faster, if you take it for say 3-4 years.. .. you could look 10 years older than you actually are, i know this can happen normally but, its still not a good reason to try it.. .. yes I have used them (aswell as other Class A's). I'm just glad I'm not addicted, and sound of min d to tell the tale

So basically "cos everyone else was doing it."

I think the only time that has ever been a valid argument was during World War 2 when everyone signed up to the army to fight the Nazis.

the most common effect of drugs is (other than the various side effects and organ damage) to burn out the parts of the brain they effect...

taking drugs to increase awareness? eventually those brain cells burn out like over charged Nuclear Reactors from C n' C Generals, and your left with well you can imagine.

take drugs to enhance sex? same effect, that part of the brain burns out and your quite literally chemically neutered

Yes, I ain't gonna lie.. .. I was told it makes music sound 10 times better, and it did do that, but I don't think its worth a few hours of euphoria with your closest friends.. its gonna affect you in later life and you will regret what you did while being young.. .. I'm do with that stuff now, I personally don't see why drugs are needed to feel at 1 with your friends, if you truely are gd frineds then you'll feel close anyhow.. ..

I don't see why people make drugs out to be so evil. Personally, I would never try drugs. Brain damage, the police and going poor are not on my "perogative's list."

But, if people wanna do it...then all the power to em'. As long as you don't @#$% anyone else up, it's all okay.

PS: Erti, I seriously don't think you have grounds debating abut this. You clearly have deep emotional pain rooted in this discussion, which blocks you from thinking freely or truly assesing the argument.

What do you mean I have no grounds on debating about this topic? You are telling me that I am not thinking freely do to "deep emotional pain" because of the crap in my family. What about you with the "I don't see why people make drugs out to be so evil" you arn't clearly thinking. What good does illegel drugs have on todays world? Its not just my family, there are many other families out there like that even worse. I hear it all the time "I wish they never started."

"Good" is a matter based purely on persaonal opinion.

I'm not saying that drugs will make everyone better...I'm saying quite the contrary, actually.

But I do believe in our right to choose what we wish to do with our own bodies.

What that person does to themselves can effect not just him but other people too and saying its my body and I'll do whatever I want with it sounds so chiledish and stupid.

The government have a reason for making drugs illegal. People are to stupid to handle the freedom. To many people make stupid choices and the government has to step in and make the choices for us in order to prevent hurting themselves and other.

Yeah, REALLY hard to see why people think that.

Here's a tip kids, if you contradict yourself in two sentences, you shouldn't be debating.

Honestly, what do people see in drugs that can have degrading effects on body and mind?

A few moments of absolute bliss following by a lifetime of problems. They seem to think it's a fair trade.

Personally, I just drink on occasion and have a clove cigarette once a week. Been a long while since I had some weed, but I'll wait to spark up until after my job's quarterly drug test.

My school is a new high school, so we haven't had too much cases of Drug use and since there is a Jr. High School upstairs temporarily, they're trying to let us know what Drugs do and what signs to look for.


...And they gave us a dumb-arse packet with lists of what they consider drugs. To quote them, one part right before this huge list says "You should consider seeing your school counsuler if you ever used any of these drugs" but whoever put that list together obviously didn't know what the word "Perscription" meant, so even Allergy Medicines like Claritin and over-the-counter drugs were included. This means that, according to that stupid packet, I'm a drug addict because I have to take an anti-depressent(sp) pill and I'm even more of a drug addict in the allergy season because I have to take Flonase. (Yes, the list seriously included Nasal Sprays)

I think they may have given that list to us as entertainment though. Half the people in the auditorium were busy trying not to laugh.

You do know that "Perscription" drugs can be abused like illegal drugs. Thats why you need doctors permition. Thats why they are over the counter.