http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/12/...e.ap/index.html

What really disturbs me is this:

For the love of god fellow Canadians, DON'T vote for him!

Guns are illegal here. Aaaand we dont get reports of nutjobs capping people very often. It's not a bad thing.

That's nothing new....I knew U.S. was in trouble with guns the day the Bill of Rights was passed to bear arms...

I'm failing to see why you need handguns in Canada. Rifles, I can understand. But handguns? No. Failing to see the purpose.

i'm not sure rifles are a good idea, either.

I think the problem lies in the whole "you take away freedom when you take our guns" thing, although people seem to miss the part about less gun shot accidents/incidents and worry more about liberties, from what I'm getting.

Yeah, taking away guns isn't to much of a bad thing...

I think Easrwood means Hunting Rifles, not Assault Weaponry.

Still I'd love it if Handguns were banned in the U.S, Canada is doing the right thing.

Now I can kinda understand what thier saying but it's not our sole fault. For people Guns are for protection and hunting. I think the problem is you should screen them EXTENSSIVLY before ever giving a gun to them so nio whack job ends up with it. I know they do somewhat of a policy but still if they have committed a crime before they should not get one unless the goverment deemed them legal. Now i'm not a fan of guns but like I said people that are maybe in the Witness Protection plan might need them. Like all things it counts on the who, what, why, how. Thers a right place and time for everything

"I never think of the future-

Yah, I've been reading about this for a long time since I live in Canada. -_-;;;

I think it's a fairly good idea, but there are lots of people saying that banning handguns and pistols would increase the usage of them. Some of the people shoot handguns for sport where I live in Vancouver, and they're really, really pissed at this. But from my experience here in Vancouver, handguns are the most common weapons, aside from a large knife, like a machete. Which is really scary, since my high school had this disturbed teenager a few months ago, who got a machete, and injured a lot of people before he was caught. But back to handguns, hopefully my Canadian people will agree that guns are banned, but it that guns will be deemed allowed in certain situations. That's what I'm hoping for. >>

-it comes soon enough."

I probably should note here that if guns are made illegal, then the criminals will have guns. The only change is that most civilians (those not wanting to get arrested) will not have guns.

"I never think of the future-

Yah, but for real. The Candian Goverment is trying to get some way to increase the severity of the punishement from the usage/carrying of guns. You know there was this armed robber in Vancouver, and the guy who was armed got out of jail in a month? That's how bad our legal system is. >>;;;

You Americans probably heard a different story, because the Goverment they think it only matters to us Canadians. That, and we have an election in a couple of weeks, so all the politics are preparing to try and get my vote, if I could vote.

-it comes soon enough."

That's how it is, here. The only difference is if someone pulls a gun, they're stuffed, as the police will deploy people who are not only trained, but far better equipped.

"I never think of the future-

I don't think Canada's police force is that good. We have officers riding on horses while on patrol for gawd sakes! >>;;;;

Edit: But yes, the officers will still be trained and have better weaponry then criminals. And they better for the 2010 Winter Olympics which are going to be held here in Vancouver, where I live.

-it comes soon enough."

Nah they will have the horses except their be in greek armor!

Canada story: Scapegoating at it's best, people!

Guns in general: I love how people think removing guns reduces violence suddenly.

Some research I did, here:
Data in the FBI crime database, going over damn near all the US, showed that our biggest laws that restrict guns (Waiting periods, Brady Law) had no noticable effect on crime.

But states that adopted concealed-carry laws (Allows folks to legally hide their weapon, assuming they have a permit for it. Most states don't allow this at all, though) showed a 69% cut in shooting deaths.
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People that use guns to defend themselves against criminals are not only less likely to have the crime completed (Example: Mugger runs away with no moneys), but are less likely to be injured compared to defending themselves without a gun, or even through non-resistance.

Criminals in prison surveys admitted they were less likely to try to ply their trade with someone that had a gun. Hell, in the US, burglars are far less likely to try to rob a place if they even know the house has people in it.
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In the US, only 1/6th of the guns used in crimes are obtained legally.
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Saw plenty more things, but most didn't have their own references, so I didn't trust them too much.

That's why I like you, Creepy. You're smart. :D

Like Canadians need single hand firearms anyway.

But they don't have to go and shift the blame on the U.S.

Our founding fathers didn't hold you at handgun-point and force them to include the right to bear arms in the Canadian constitution or whatever they call it.

I've never been a big fan of guns myself, always prefered swords, so this issue won't really affect me either way. Though I can say in all seriousness that banning handguns here in Canada won't resolve any issues. If anything, things will get a lot worse.

It's been my observation that people as a whole tend take a keener interest in things that have the label 'not allowed' or 'banned' attatched to them. When things like guns are readily sold in stores, no one thinks twice about them. But add a banned label to them, and I'll bet you that the number of people who do own guns will increase ten-fold.

Some will pick them up because they think no one else will have them anymore. Some because it's just something the government says you can't have. Still others will feel that the criminal element will see this as an oppertunity to run amuk, and will get as many guns as possible in an attempt to feel safe and protected.

The result? A populace that is not only still armed, but now paranoid as well. Granted, the above is a worst case scenario, but as a wise man once said, "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers."

My God, never heard of that person who used that gun and someone bangun him in Canada before. I'm glad I'm a American you know, that's why we use Bill of Rights.

Glad they won't ban guns in the States.
.357 Magnum Smith & Wesson
9MM Glock
.25 Browning
.25 Miami Unknown
.22 Ruger Riffle

Or sharp objects...

Katana
3 Bladed claw
4 bladed "torch" switch blade
2 bladed dagger

In addition to 3 metal staffs for blunt melee cobmat practice/defense.

Something this year I am guying to buy me a M-16 with 30 MM Grenade Launcher on it and mabye a MAC-11.

You don't see me running around in my military outfit or trench coat capping people. Hell you can own miniguns legally in the US. You take guns away doesn't mean it will stop cappers, people will still get guns illegaly and if they cant theyll just knife, run down, strangle, poison, or what ever they want to do to kill some being.

Its pointless, quit resisting.

Oh and Im a heartless, tasteless bastard who couldn't give 2 cents care for the world, but if you sit down and grown some god damned brains you MIGHT, MIGHT I say, understand that an ARMED civillian is more likely to survive an ARMED robberry than an UNARMED civillian. 1+1=2.

Criminal+Gun+Gun+Civillian= shoot out
Criminal+Knife+Gun+Civillian= one scared person running.

So why do I need a full auto with a grenade launcher? Practice with it for when I join the military VIA draft or choice.

Shape up and ship out.

-Joseph the evil lurker from beyond.

And once again Joey, you prove why I love to live in the UK. I get in a fight at a bar over here, the worst that can happen is that he'll pull a knife on me, and it's not that hard to avoid being stabbed. I get into one in the US, dods are the @#$%er will pull a gun on me and I'll be a corpse.

Because we don't have gun-nuts. The ones we do have are registered with the Police. The ones we don't get met with squads of officers in body armour and far better gear and training.

That said, we never acted like it was our right to carry firearms. We've never needed them in this country. And thanks to the Dunblaine Massacre, the only people who have guns outside of a rare few are criminals. Which means they can have their weapons confiscated and get arrested for possession of a firearm. Or shot by police marksman. Whatever takes their fancy.

Comes down to mentality. Americans, as a nation, have always had a thing for guns, which is why you'll never remove firearms from the people. I can't understand it, and I daresay I never will. This is linked to my humble opinion that the ones who protest the most fiercely for gun ownership would follow a tyranical (Far-right. Bush is right-wing, yes, but he isn't a facist) government to hell and back... And the key reason for firearm ownership is linked to the age-old idea of fighting off a tyranical government.

The British however, haven't got this love affair with the firearm. To us, they were tools, and since we hunted most dangerous wildlife here to extinction, the only reason we'd have them is for protection... And frankly, I'd sooner leave firearms in the place of trained, responsible experts.

Honestly Joey, your excuse to need to pratice is laughable. They TEACH you how to use a gun in the military anyway, so this pratice is rather pointless since that's what a good deal of your military career will be about anyway.

Aside from pratice, what do you need a gun for? I suppose it's to protect you from the "dangerous" people with guns, who have them to protect themselves from the "dangerous" people.

Anyone else see the viscious cycle?

That said, the only way to get guns from the American populace now would be if someone with a huge army literally took them from you. And before you say "if that happened, we'd fight them". Trained military personnel, which have back up in the form of tanks and gunships versus a bunch of amateurs. Who'd win?

The sad fact is that for no reason any more, America has this fascination with guns, and nothing can be done about it. My girlfriend was threatened with a gun by somebody whp shot three people half an hour earlier, something that would never happen if she lived here, which she is planning to do.

If America never thought they needed every citizen to have guns in the first place, way back during the creation of the country, this'd be a moot arguement anyway as you wouldn;t care. But the country has had it so long everybody makes huge bloody deal about it. If the general populace didn't think you needed them, you wouldn't need them. But because the general populace thinks they do, you do have them. Countries who don't think they need guns generally don't need them, amazingly.

Hehe. True for you my friend, but I love my firearms. You know, one thing I gotta say is your right. Your only threat are knives, but they still can kill. My point is guns don't kill, People do. Guns just make it slightly easier to kill, as well as defend against guns.

The US is to far into owning guns to stop the criminals from having a gun and safely take civil guns away, you know?


Heh, Americans love war and fighting. The idiots who don't are not Americans...so closely agreeing with Patton on my statement there. Who was also "nuts", so I guess I am?

Oh and Lothar, Ill respond for you. "It is stupid to love to fight and war, it is not so fun when your actually in it." No its not, fear of it all will always be here. hey, your British, your expected to be wierd to me. Hehe.

Oh and I apologise for purposely pressing your buttons today.

That made absolutely no sense at all.

Joey, either you're drunk, or your borderline insane.

Knives kill, yes. But guess what? So can a frikkin' pencil. Guns, however, have no use beyond killing. And I've yet to meet someone who can outrun a speeding bullet. And having guns to defend against guns was brought up by Lothar, who I agree with in it being the worst excuse to have a firearm ever.

"Heh, Americans love war and fighting. The idiots who don't are not Americans..."

No mate. They're just not bloodthirsty psychotics.

Simply put, you would call me an idiot for loving the fight and sting of war. Regardless of the side or other combtant's well being. Which in your eyes is idiotic. Of course I'll always be an idiot in your cute little eyes.

You don't tell insain people that they are insain. :friends:

"I never think of the future-

You and Eastwood are soo lucky living in Europe... the only thing I know about Europe's gun use is the police and fox hunts.

The gun related crime rate here in Vancouver, BC is pretty bad, not as bad as some parts of Canada, but still pretty damn bad. I wonder why North America is so obsessed with guns... for all I know it's a combination of various idiotic wars such as the Vietnam war, all those rappers like 50 Cent who keep saying they got shot whatever times and making it look like getting shot is cool and army recruiting propagandas. >>;;

-it comes soon enough."

Actually, yes you call people who are insane insane. That's what doctors are paid for.

If you love the idea of war then you're not an idiot, you're a bloodthisty psychopath. War is NOT fun, it is sometimes necessary, it was neccesary during the rise of Hitler, necessary during the recent Iraq conflict (debatably) but it is NEVER fun. Ask the bloody WWII, Vietnam, and Gulf War vets how fun it is.

You know if you are mentally unhinged, they don't let you in the army right?

Thing is, the reason the second amendment is there is in case is so people can otherthrow a despotic government.

Can you honestly say you need it for that reason now?

I accept that guns are a part of the American way of life, but the logic behind it really does astound me. The only reason people have them is to protect themselves from other people with guns.

How many people carry round a gun in their jeans in case they get mugged? And if you do, you then get done for having a concealed weapon. The only way to stop that happening is to carry the thing in plain view, which will then scare the absolute shit out of everyone, and then you'll have the SWAT team on you.

Tis odd.

Concealed weapons license. For one, is how you do it, which I do not have. No one knows where I am except where I live so my guns stay home or when I go to the range or woods.

For two I don't do anything but keep my 357 loaded in my desk. Wanna know why Lothar? Someone JUST like you, lived 30 miles down my road. He got mad at me over a lost game and threatened to come beat the shit out of me after he traced me. In Florida, a tresspasser who has been warned and will not get off private property CAN be shot defensivly of the property or yourself. Thats why I started with weapons, a gun will always run someone off who doesnt have a gun, even if you dont shoot. Okay?

But...I don't carry it with me, ever, unless Im going to a gun show or the range, in that case it has to be in plane sight and you must follow safety rules, which I do.

So you'd kill someone who got pissed at you for beating him at a game? Even in that case you don't NEED a gun. Any blunt implement will do IF he came after you, which he wouldn't anyway.

And you'd still get done for manslaughter at the very least.

And you yourself stated that you didn't have guns for fear earlier on, yet RIGHT THERE, you've just admitted that's WHY you have them. You have them because you're scared someone will attack you.

Even then you don't need one, a tazer would do the job and you wouldn't get banged up for manslaughter. That law you state would mean @#$% all to the family of the person who you've just killed. YOU would be the evil person to be feared.

But if you can't see your own dysfunctional logic now, you probably never will.

So, I'm not an American for not liking violence and war. Nice. As if there aren't enough contradictions in the world.

Can your weaponry protect you from yourself?

Spin, don't worry yourself. He's obviously not right in the head.

I SAID: even if you dont shoot. Okay?

Read before you rant, Lothar.

"I never think of the future-

How in gods name will some random guy track you down from what they know of you off internet?! Unless you play a game and give out your full name or something, I really doubt some will track you down. And if someone did manage to track you down, call the damn police. It's their job to capture crazy people who try to kill or injure people in your area.

In fact, why would someone go to your house to beat you up for defeating them in a game? That's just retarded. There are more things in life then winning a game over the internet against someone you don't know. I'd understand if it was a high level ladder/tournament game with one of those half-million prizes and you were pissed, but no need to get violent.

-it comes soon enough."

Joseph Magee, =P

For starters, an email, a forum, a game connection are ways to get IPs, IPs designate your computer and your server and your ISP, so forth, based on what that IP is connecting to. Therefor, if I look at who owns fireball20xl it would give an IP of the owner and billing name (who pays the bills). Thats one way.

Anything can be done or found on the internet, its just a matter of time, skill, and effort.

But you said you started with guns because of that. Yet earlier stating that you didn't do it because of fear.

And frankly mate, you're lying if you say you wouldn't shoot. If the situation you explained above happened, you WOULD shoot. Of course you would, there's a bloody nutter outside your house, and you're a scared little boy who has all these weapons around.

And even then, you DON'T need a gun to threaten somebody. Waving bloody golf club will have the same effect as waving a gun around. The thing is you're less likely to kill somebody with the golf club.

And since your such an expert, go on, explain exactly how you'd get that information from an I.P. address.

Yes, but its not as stereotypical as a gun, Lothar. =P

And no, I would not shoot unless he had a gun as well. Scared little boy? Excuse me? If I ran at you with my 4 foot Katana, or even a large knife, it would not matter your age or gender. Fear is part of life, you can not go through life without fear. How you deal with that fear is if you live or not. Everyone, or almost everyone, is okay with dieing the next second from a blood clot going to their brain. You could die this second yet your not in fear because you have overcome that fear naturally without knowing it. Something you SEE coming will scare the shit out of you and you will react. You reacting in defense is fear in motion, fear of death and trying to self preservation. Therefor your comment made NO sense what so ever. However is a marble compared to my pile of horse shit over here.

I'm not scared all the time though, so I don't need an arsenal around me. Your collection on the other hand makes me see you as constantly scared.

You're not reacting to anything but your own constant fear Joey. That is why you have this collection. Nobody is coming at you with a 4ft Katana, so why do you have this rather large collection?

But go on Joey, keep lying to yourself. It'll keep you warm at night. As for me, I'm going to bed as I have a funeral to attend tomorrow.

"I never think of the future-

That would require some insane hacking skills, and considering most Americans have an I.Q of much lower then the European Average, which is 100, I would find it incredibly hard to believe. The closest thing I've ever seen to that, is that weird little picture that can detect your Browser and IP on a sign that is held up by a troll of something. Plus, I don't think you can find out the billing name of someone, for I think it would defy some kind of privacy clause in the agreement statement. If it wasn't then you could sue the internet provider for something, I don't know because I'm 13, and I'm not studying law.

Edit: A 4ft Katana?! That would be pretty damn heavy and hard to use. The katana's I've seen when I went ot Japan were either 2-3 ft long.

-it comes soon enough."