I) A selfish, ruthless kidnapper and exploiter who would (and did) go to any lengths to cheat death and deserved to die?

II) An oppertunistic man who brought wealth to Tolbi and had good intentions as well as selfish ones despite his deeply flawed methods and unenlightened fear of death?

III) A welcome ally who raised Kraden like a father and gave Isaac's party a ship understanding that the search for their kidnapped friends must take priority, and who didn't deserve to die?

Plus, do you think he really was murdered, or did he just die of old age at a suspicious time?

Number two. Because they got a ship, but I never liked Babi.

being that it has been so long since i played GS1 and i forgot most of that anyways, i picked 3 because i think its bad to say dead things about bad people






oops, got that backwards, i meant to "dead people about bad things"

You mean, "bad things about dead people." Dunno whether you did that on purpose.
I voted for two and three, because I felt that option two portrayed him a little too unfavorably, while option three portrayed him a little too favorably.

Rozzlynn, I think you probably made the typical poll mistake of allowing us to choose as many of the options as we wish, unless you meant to do that. It's not a huge problem, everyone does it, but I thought it would be good to enlighten you. It makes as many voting options as you put. The "Voter May Select" dropdown menu is for how many different votes an individual may make. Everybody gets to vote once and only once, but they can choose up to as many different options as that number.

Ah, thanks. I didn't realize. '-_- Still, I think that fits in this case. People can think all three too. Oh, and nobody's answering the extra. Is the answer really that obviously certain to everyone but me?

I guess I just forgot that question. I don't really remember what news you got of his death in the game, but I think I always assumed that he just died of old age, seeing as he was out of the potion that had kept him from doing so.

I chose option number two;

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I think that he was a very kind character, as well as a very selfish person, who wants his own safety over others.
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I think he died of old age; why would anyone need to murder an old man?

True to the point...

Mmm, that's what I'd have assumed if the news had been delivered neutrally. I don't remember it perfectly, but I think there was something about an angry mob chasing Alex, Karst and Agatio out of Tolbi, and those very violent and untrustworthy three assuring Felix's party that no, they didn't kill Babi, but still being very happy about his death; it meant Felix's party couldn't go back to Tolbi or Lalivero, having been seen with Alex there (so that now, they'd be in a lot of trouble with Babi's soldiers and the angry mob), and that Kraden's obligations to Babi were ended, so they no longer needed to go to Lemuria, which Alex knew had been Kraden's highest priority (not having known they'd need to go there anyway), and considering the hurry Alex and the Proxans were in (Alex tried to hurry them and the first two Proxans had killed to move as quickly as possible), they would have been relieved to stop Felix from wandering around like that, especially as, with a Lemurian in the party, Felix & Kraden might well have tried to find the lost land, which could have hindered the quest by years if past example was anything to go on (which it wasn't, of course), and as Alex hadn't been around when Felix's party realized they couldn't go visit the Tolbi area because of Sheba, he'd have wanted to make sure they wouldn't be going anywhere where they might lose their hard-won Jupiter adept, at least not before Jupiter Lighthouse. Plus, the way Alex acted at Jupiter Lighthouse means he was probably planning on sending Isaac's party off to fight to release the golden sun too, and if he knew of Isaac's promise to Babi, he'd have used the chance to sever those ties too, or once Isaac realised his friends were safe and not evil he may have tried to fulfil that promise next, being a man of his word; as it was, he had nothing left to do but join Felix's quest, under his leadership. Getting rid of Babi got rid of a lot of complications.

So while there were plenty of reasons for the evil(ish, at least) group to want to murder Babi, and some evidence that they did (the way all of Tolbi is apparently sure they did), this does have to be balanced against the fact that Babi was out of his potion and was expected to die around them anyway, so those three might have been telling the truth about it being a convenient coincidence. Or am I remembering it wrong? I couldn't find the script online, and I'm nowhere near that part in my current playthroughs.

Wow. That was one LONG run-on-ish sentence.

I don't really think that all of your options for a vote encompass all of what Babi's identity was (I picked #2 because it was the most neutral). I think that Babi was just a wealthy ruler who did what any person with that much power would want: to hold onto his empire forever. However, at the same time I don't see him as some kind of greedy Nazi because he placed a lot of faith that Isaac would come through for him. Whether or not Alex's second party of Proxians did him in is questionable. It would hardly seem necessary, given the state of affairs with Babi being in such poor health. Also, if they were trying to prevent Felix or Isaac from going to Lemuria, that would seem to be a farfetched way of doing it. After all, the only member of the original party that went to Tolbi was Alex (Saturos and Menardi were dead). The people of Tolbi would only recognize Alex as the murder and maybe Karst and Agatio. It wouldn't make sense to include Felix in that. Especially if Sheba came along to vouch for him.

I would hope that Golden Sun III tells the story of what Isaac was doing that whole time Felix was gallivanting around the eastern sea. We never got to see what that story was all about and I find that more than a little disappointing.

o_O Marlin, that's pure genious! I never thought of that!

But still, I'd rather see what happened after that.

Why did he have to die?!?
Waaaaaaaaaaahhh!!!!
Well,he was kinda weird that babi. ~_~

Babi never interested me that much...it was a bit of a relief for me when I found out that I didn't have to worry about putting up with him anymore...*looks both ways*...n-not that I would have anything to do with it. You all know that. He was old. Old. No need for murder, no sir...no sirreee....

But he was kinda cool.
Hey,dont forget,I made a poll,so please vote. :lol: