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Title: Obama Hates The Internet And Free Speech


Bored383 - November 4, 2009 08:17 PM (GMT)

Archerec - November 4, 2009 08:23 PM (GMT)
Brother, why would you want to steal?

See you at the next 2 minutes hate!

TrojanMan - November 4, 2009 08:23 PM (GMT)
Copying the article. My dinosaur of a computer at work can't take some of these websites.

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Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.
The internet chapter of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, a secret copyright treaty whose text Obama's administration refused to disclose due to "national security" concerns, has leaked. It's bad. It says:
* That ISPs have to proactively police copyright on user-contributed material. This means that it will be impossible to run a service like Flickr or YouTube or Blogger, since hiring enough lawyers to ensure that the mountain of material uploaded every second isn't infringing will exceed any hope of profitability.

* That ISPs have to cut off the Internet access of accused copyright infringers or face liability. This means that your entire family could be denied to the internet -- and hence to civic participation, health information, education, communications, and their means of earning a living -- if one member is accused of copyright infringement, without access to a trial or counsel.

* That the whole world must adopt US-style "notice-and-takedown" rules that require ISPs to remove any material that is accused -- again, without evidence or trial -- of infringing copyright. This has proved a disaster in the US and other countries, where it provides an easy means of censoring material, just by accusing it of infringing copyright.

* Mandatory prohibitions on breaking DRM, even if doing so for a lawful purpose (e.g., to make a work available to disabled people; for archival preservation; because you own the copyrighted work that is locked up with DRM)

TrojanMan - November 4, 2009 08:26 PM (GMT)
Originally, I came into this thread thinking, "Oh, Obama's just whining because his pal Deeds got Falcon Punched."

Now I'm thinking, "And the libs b*tched about the Patriot Act. Lulz. That'll teach 'em."

Bored383 - November 4, 2009 08:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TrojanMan @ Nov 4 2009, 03:26 PM)
Originally, I came into this thread thinking, "Oh, Obama's just whining because his pal Deeds got Falcon Punched."

Now I'm thinking, "And the libs b*tched about the Patriot Act. Lulz. That'll teach 'em."

but but but . . . fierce moral urgency!!!

:lol:

A lot of people are proving to be huge hypocrites because of how they react - or don't react - to actions taken by someone with a D besides their name, instead of that hateful R

Jeffy-CanCon - November 4, 2009 09:04 PM (GMT)
Sounds like another unenforceable law, to be ignored until you need something to prosecute someone for. Because half the population will be guilty of this stuff, and every single ISP. Which brings me to my "Eureka" moment: The actual purpose of this treaty/law will be to allow government to force every ISP and hosting service to cooperate in whatever fashion is deemed necessary by said government, at whatever time.

TrojanMan - November 4, 2009 09:13 PM (GMT)
You gotta admit, though... the Dems have done their homework with brand loyalty and other assorted tactics.


I saw an article today that was vehemently denying that the Democratic losses yesterday represented a "referrendum" for the current administration. It tried to refute that it was important at all and how it's not a change in climate, it's just the GOP base bullying and strong-arming elections, etc, etc.

What's funny is that I seem to remember our Commander in Chief, who has had a danger-close, high-priority, ultra-critical decision regarding Afghanistan sitting on his desk for months, taking time to soapbox for his local party candidate - which polls showed didn't have a chance of winning in the first place. And, of course, he's also has time for golf, dates to NYC, rabble-rousing for the Olympics and myriad other photo ops. And you know what's funny? He doesn't even have to do anything difficult. The course of action has already been determined and all it needs is authorization. McChrystal essentially passed him a note that said, "Do you like me? Check []Yes or []No"

Now I don't want to get into that whole issue too deeply because there's really not much there. Obama hasn't done anything yet - that's the whole story. I bring it up only beause the left crucified Dubya for "wasting" seven minutes, among other offenses. But now that it's their guy, he's infallable?

I guess that's change I can believe in.

Murf the Elder - November 4, 2009 09:19 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jeffy-CanCon @ Nov 4 2009, 04:04 PM)
Which brings me to my "Eureka" moment: The actual purpose of this treaty/law will be to allow government to force every ISP and hosting service to cooperate in whatever fashion is deemed necessary by said government, at whatever time.

My "Eureka" moment: The actual purpose of this treaty/law will be to eventually give the government an excuse (and leverage) to force every private ISP out of the business, paving the way for the government to provide internet access, at which point they get to control what's on it, what goes over it, who has it, etc.

Like everything else, this is about control of the populace...nothing else.

TrojanMan - November 4, 2009 09:28 PM (GMT)
Murf, good extrapolation, but wrong direction.


The government doesn't want to control it. They just want to tax it.

How many taxes is the gov't missing out on with regard to internet commerce? How dare you buy a used toaster on eBay and not pay 3-10% sales tax. How dare an internet business undercut a brick and mortar place because shipping is cheaper than sales tax in your state. How dare you pay for an electronic service (music download, MMO subscription, game/community membership fees, porn subscription, etc.) without the government getting their cut!


1) Create a law that makes everyone criminals so you have ultimate leverage
2) Create any taxes you want
3) If anybody complains, enforce the completely unrelated law (see step one)
4) Profit!

Bored383 - November 4, 2009 11:22 PM (GMT)
Phase 1) Collect underpants

Phase 2) ?

Phase 3) Profit



it is ultimately about control, plain and simple

sir nipple35 - November 5, 2009 01:45 AM (GMT)
not too sure if this is related but considering the piracy rate in the USA we're just at 21 percent of the population pirating stuff. The USA has the lowest piracy rate.... I'm moving to canada.

Chemical X - November 5, 2009 03:37 PM (GMT)
Canada rocks.....

Make sure to stay out of montreal when the zombies hit.

Jeffy-CanCon - November 5, 2009 09:52 PM (GMT)
<3 Montreal. (t)




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