Anyone have any specifics on this. I got an email from Tippmann saying that they are going to release a pistol in Fall of this year. Supposedly magazine fed, but thats all i know.

The-Guy from Paintballchat.org was at monster game and the guy from tippmann said he couldnt announce anything about it. He talked like it would beat the tib, but i highly doubt it. Its primarily going to be for ppl that want a pistol that they can put add ons onto bc of the rails built onto the gun.

the pistol might be nice. who knows. THe nice thing is that it will be magazine fed. I just dont want the CO2 in the same area as the paint. If the CO2 is in the front of the marker, that would be nice. But its hard to say if its going to be a stacked tube design or if its going to be inline like the TAC8

Me personally thinking about what would make a good design.... some people will laugh but I have the best idea evar.

Propane.

Continue the Propane line. Compact the design down to PGP size. You could have a refillable chamber that would allow for, say... 100 shots. Magazine with 10 staggered rounds in it. Sell it with a refill device that sucks the propane out of Coleman tanks and puts it into the chamber. No more 12grams!

Tippmann has had a working Propane semi for years now. The problem is over-heating in heavy-scenario/tournament use. Just doesn't pass their safety standards. However a 10 shot pistol with that design shrunk down a little would not have to worry! It wouldn't overheat even after 5 clips non-stop. Plus that just isn't going to happen.

Is this what they're doing? I couldn't tell ya I honestly don't know. It's just what I would have done if I were in charge. But I'm not. :lol:

I'm wondering if they'll just do it the old fashioned American way. Buy out Tiberius and slap their sticker on it. :bang: Seriously that's actually where I'll put my Vegas money. Their "Straightline" barrels are simply Hammerhead barrels with their name on it. Their regulators were PMI regulators. They've sold SCOTT goggles branded as Tippmann. They have a pretty good history of relabeling somebody elses product and selling it as their own.

However they could do possibly a dual-magazine design. Where you have 1 for the 12gram and 1 for the paint, but keeping the space taken up the same within the grip.

All that I have read up to now is that it will be magazine fed. I dont know if that means that its going to be a Zeus style mag or a Tib mag but I am leaning towards that latter.

I am really thinking that that the Tippmann pistol is going to be, like you said, the Tib with Tippmann label and their own styling. It would be really hard to come up with something much more innocative. I would just hope that they have paid attention to the wants and needs of the pistol using community and have a creation that will just blow our minds.

So from here until release date...we wait and see.

Well it'll be half the weight. Why? Because that half will be a composite plastic. And as such it'll also be half the cost.

So it's not a 100% Tiberius relabeling. But I really doubt that the internal components and product is indeed, for all intents and purposes, a T8. If lucky they might have actually improved the design.

so what do you think they will have done to improve?

Here's what was carried to MCB from the X7OG,

We'll see how much comes to pass. I'm confident that I'll be able to work with this to the point that I'll be switched over for good by Christmas.

Rob

i had read on another forum that you had come across some information that lead you to make the decision that you were going to switch over to these markers completely by the end of this year.

I know that you dont make hasty decisions and that you like to have some kind of solid knowledge which is why I am wondering why and how you have already made this decision.

PM me plz if you get the chance.

hopefully the pistol stock barrel wont be as bad as most tippmann stock barrels.
i wonder if it can compete with the T8's accuracy..

also, i wonder if the pistol barrel will be made by Hammerhead.

accuracy is a tossup with pistols because the barrel is so short. Some of the barrels are so short that the paint doesnt even have enough distance to get up to speed. I had added the extended barrel to my TAC8 and my velocity went up almost 15 FPS consistantly. Was able to turn down the velocity a little and get 2 more shots per 12g. I know that its not much, but its something.

Since hammerhead and Tippmann have teamed up and are making a couple barrels together, it is a possiblity that they have some shared interest in the new pistol that is due to be released in a month or so. But please just give me a nice smooth bore that is straight. No twisty, rifled thingy. The one thing that i do like about the hammerhead line of barrels is the reversed porting that directs the sound back to the shooter instead of downfield. I think it works well.

Just have to wait and see. I am sure that there are a few people out there that have first hand information that is much more accurate than the rumors floating around the boards, but those people havent shared everything that they have...YET.

Well, there's a complicated story behind that and so I haven't taken time to write it out.

When I started out playing so many moons ago it seemed to me that paintball was a martial art as well as a sport. A martial art in the sense that there were basic rules and BEST ways to do things, plus skill was gained through systematic practice. So like a martial artist, over time I developed my own style with work based upon my experiences with TaiChi.
It grew from using 3357s for 99% of my paintball. Not 3357s like most people will have seen, Aluminum cylinders I had machined for them, a steel pawl and barrels flexhoned with a custom ordered flexhone, these guns were killers. I wore 2 at a time and played literally 20-40 days a year for 12 years with those guns, at one point I had 12 in various stages of abuse.
When I played at Hell Survivors I'd use my old P68SC or for the monstergame only, rental 98s. I gave away my 3357 stuff when I couldn't keep them running anymore and used a pistoled minimag for a while and hated it so much I gave it away in 01. My P68SC mag tube started to come off finally late 02 or 3 and in looking for a replacement I found the Armotech zeus pistol(and SCP and MCB). This allowed me to use my 3357 style game in modern open play and I haven't looked back.
The Miltec I have now is a great machine for me and a copy of my old Zeus:



But it has some serious drawbacks. Bulk more than weight concerns me and the magazine with my mod is not perfect. For instance at the recent Michigan SPPL qualifer in our game against Smart Corps I was to play decoy and simply hold a bunker as long as I could.
I got all the attention I desired with 6 actual pros putting the slow squeeze on me. I was a few yards from the tape and there is a viewing setup there and according to players watching I would pop up and fire 2 and 200 would come in. So much spray accumulated in my mag that I was having to be certain I fed a ball before I shot again. Eventually so much ice formed on my pierce pin it bent right over and I was left with only my TAG.
After firing over 300 rounds through my miltec in the space of a couple of minutes and holding my ground, I didn't last 30 more shots once I switched to the tag. They were able to get away with moving on me within 80 feet in a way they couldn't with the almost constantly loaded G2.
I didn't feel too bad about my performance though, the guy I was decoying for got 2, I got a total of 4 elims that game and recovered 1 of our 2 objectives.

My comment on pistol accuracy is that one of those eliminations was a certain Mr Gardner, who I shot in the head at over 100 feet crossing uphill. A withering 2 round burst put him out to reinsert, that was the second time in the qualifier that I shot someone from next to the low base in the bowl that was on the top of the ridge of the masters field. :lol: I shot one guy from so far away across the bowl he stood up and waved at me :lol: :lol: . I don't find any lack of accuracy with my guns.

My philsophy on pistol play is pretty basic but merciless. People don't get shot reloading regular markers because they are back in action so fast that people can't move on them, they're back up and shooting, before the average person(for that field) can make the average bunker to bunker run.

So, if you can reload fast enough that noone can move on you, then it doesn't matter if you reload every ten minutes or ten seconds, noone can move.

It's a matter of fractions of a second, but if you can reload quickly enough and continue to smoothly do so while playing there is NO difference between a pistol mag and a 200 round hopper.
By exploiting this fact plus using the skills that 20 years of pump or slow semi fire have given me, I'm pretty confident that I can strap on my pistols and play against anybody with whatever gear they want to have. I won't always win(I am a 6'2", 240lb, 44 year old, slow person!), but I won't embarass myself either.

No gun made has had the magic combo. Seperate co2 and paint mag in the grip. Until Now!!!!!!!


The ejection of a TAG8 mag is a 'death' sentence at Hell Survivors. If I hear that noise I will be on you like a piano from a 10 story window and if the mercenaries hear it, they'll be even less kind. It's a dead giveaway out to 30 or 40 feet and everybody on the field is familiar with it.
So, my Miltec, with it's front co2 is nice but any way you slice it, changing mags or using my forward feed port, paint must be loaded from the TOP! This is true of most pistols even the squall. This requires the full loss of the sight picture every ten shots. You have to pull the gun away and point it either up or down, depending on the system, whereas a magfed gun can remain pointed at the target through the full reloading process.
Seems tiny I know, but if this is what you live for,


starting an any firing mode, any ROF game with 10 balls in your gun, then milliseconds matter.

When I couple this with the HORRENDOUS record of support for pistols(Palmers and Tiberius being amazing exceptions), then the advantage of a tippmann pistol with a grip fed mag and underbarrel co2 is overwhelming. Luckily for Tippmann, so many wrong answers have been tried, right is pretty much all that's left!


Rob

Sounds cool that its going to be underbarrel CO2. I am wondering if its going to be a twist on like the miltec or a lever type like the PT's. I am not really a fan of the lever type, but its just another thing that we will have to wait and see about...unless you happen to know something B)

I like the idea of the mags being cheaper than the t8. But you still end up having to use a lot of mags. If the mags are easy to reload in a way that hasnt been thought of before, that would be even more amazing.

Lots of good information there Smith, I am glad that there are people like you out there that play pistol as well and have so much knowledge and experience.

i can't think of anything different for c02 except lever/slam type changer or twist

and then for the balls in the grip... push down spring (there will alway's be a spring) >move gate that is at the top of the grip somewhere... insert tube and balls go in> release spring to load balls and gate closes when balls move upwards.

i can picture it... not sure if it came out though.

turbo, what you are describing (i think) sounds a lot like what the t8 has in magazine form. From what I understand, the tippmann pistol is going to be mag fed as well. So based on what you said, I think you are right on

The word I heard was a carbon fiber mag that would run about $20, I can't vouch for that one though.

A friend had a houndstooth back in the day that had a quicksilver lever. Over time we figured out to buy 12ies by the 100 and sort them by length to use longest to shortest, then at the first sign of looseness, just a short turn tighter and you were good for 20 more or so, 12ies just vary a bit too much.

Rob

So you think that the tippy pistol is going to be a lever changer? Hmm, I really dont care for lever changers, but it sure can be faster than the twist.

Oh no! I just thought of how we got around the lever's problems when you said you weren't a fan of the Lever Type. I think screw in is the most likely as that would be the easiest.
If they really wanted to rock they could use the 1/4 turn camlock off of the Nelson Challenger. I modded one of those into a co2 plug for my Armotech pistol, it works great. That's as fast as it gets without any pickiness on the 12ies.

Rob

I never really thought of using a camlock for the twist changer. Thats really innovative, fast, and not complicated at all. I think that it meets pretty much everything that Tippmann stands for. Too bad that Tippmann doesnt have you working for them lol

My problem with pistol lever changers is the length of the lever. I find the shorter ones a pain in the neck to use.

Also has someone made a lever that uses a pretty strong spring to push against the 12 gram? A spring pushing firmly against the 12 gram would help to ensure that even short 12 grams would still be sealed and pierced.

Now that they're finally getting off their butts and making a pistol, in a way they DO have me working for them, whether they like it or not :lol:

Chem,
I made a Delta68 lever into a winchester type loop lever for a friend of mine that improved it alot, I'll try to get a pic this weekend.

Using a slamchanger type spring with a regular lever is not something I have seen, but it surely should help.

Rob

Found this on Pbreview

Pb Review .. Tippmann

After using a tib for a few games last weekend I am anxious to see what tippy has coming out. I may try to get a tib insted though depending on what tippy has up their sleeve.

I used to run dual pistols with Ariakon Overlords, until the metal trigger arm broke through the plastic trigger shoe...

Anyway, this thing might get me back into that mode of play! I share Agent Smith's philosophy, although I haven't been living it lately. This intrigues me.

I was hounding the Tippmann reps as always at the recent Tippmann VS World Challenge at HSI in Mi. I ran into a new fella who seemed a little more involved with the pistols, so I took it easier on him(I've been asking those guys to make me a pistol for almost 15 years now!).
They'll have something to show at World Cup, according to him.

Got into a nice philosophical discussion of 'total shots' VS 'shot to shot consistency'. Let's say you were able to make a pistol more consistent shot to shot, so the first shot was 270 and the last shot was 270, but the more you improved this the more total shots it cost you, how FEW total shots would leave the gun still useable?
My opinion was and is that for a sidearm a dozen is fine and for a pistol primary, at least 20 is required. That's based on my style of play and the size of games I'm in.

Rob

Well if this turns out to live up to Tippmans image, I might consider picking one of these up when I start working this summer again. I miss my pistols, but I've wanted to try something new for a long time. I was never one to jump on the Tib bandwagon due to its pricey nature, especially that of the mags. But this....well, we'll see. I'm interested to say the least.

If there is something about it down at Cup, I think my fields owner is going down, I'll bug him to ask some questions and take some pictures if there is anything to see.

I gotta agree, the price of the mags is definitly whats keeping me from a tib.

even wholesale price is steep >.< i want tibs but id need 800 for the guns, 8 mags and 2 mag pouches :(

That's why my Tib has always been my sidearm's sidearm :lol: . I like it for quick emergency draws and to allow me to silently switch guns when I'm too close to the baddies to dump and pierce a 12gram, but it can't match my modified Miltec for volume of fire and thanks to my flexhone kit, they are both equally accurate.



One question I do have is what is the bore size going to be, hopefully not the huge .691 of all other current pistols.

Rob

more than likely will be a huge bore. just to make it a pain in the arse. As long as they can put in a reliable detent system It wouldnt be so bad. Problem with my PT's since I last used them was that as soon as the detent goes....10 balls roll RIGHT out the gun.

I think that happened when I loaned them out for a big game. I forgot they needed to be replaced and set the guy up. First sign of action...blooop all the paints gone lol.

Some airsoft guns use propane and you are able to fill it by sticking the propane tank in the bottom of the magazine. It works out realy good because to refil you just pop the tank right in to the mag and it is full.

It would be awsome if tippman was able to do somthing like that. :)

OOOOHHH MY!



Yep, I'll be wearing two of those on opening day at HSI next year

Rob

Stats?

I dig the angular look.

Statement from Tippmann Sports:

This morning, a prototype of one of our new products was stolen from PSP World Cup in Orlando, Fla.

At this very moment, we are working with our colleagues in the paintball community to gather further information and leads. We have already had someone provide helpful information about the theft. A police report regarding the incident has been filed.


We want to remind the person or individuals that possesses our stolen property that any information leaked or shared, resulting in damage to Tippmann, will be prosecuted

(As reported from The Ford Report)

Fortunately they had two.

Still no recovery of the missing one from what I hear...

Rob

So did they release specs on it?


If tippy wont start handing out some specs soon ill have to write them off.

I could possibly see this as a delay type strategy.

I LIKEEE!

I will definitely have to get my hands on a couple of those somehow!

:bang:

I don't get what the race is, ChemX? I've been playing pistol for 23 years now with various pieces of junk. Writing them off would just leave me with the same bad bunch I've always had to pick from.
I wish it was out already, but writing them off? I'm just curious about that, I've heard alot of people talk along those lines. I don't get the deadline thing.

There have basically been no more than 10 setups IN 23 YEARS and that's being kind.
All but one of those(the tag) have been(pardon my saying so, for I carried all of them at one time or another), slapped together with little or no thought behind the actual functionality of them.
No maker ever got into pistol play enough for it to show in their product. Even in the case of Palmer's who are usually pretty good, the innovations on their squall and stroker, since the first one made, is... A NEW FEED PLUG! YAY!
If they wanted to impress me they could put the LPR under the barrel and the ram on top plugging the rear of the mag and lastly put the fancy feedplug at the muzzle end of the mag, then they'd have a pistol that wasn't almost an inch wider than a stock zeus with the same feed steps...
The Sydarm? let's pour co2 from a 12g DOWN into a mag valve...
The TAG? All I have to say is a mag weighs more than a 100 round pod of paint. It holds 8 paintballs, it weighs more than a POD of paint and if you drop it on the feedlip, you're out $50...
A Zeus? they come standard with a pierce pin that lasts 20 co2s and are like carrying a 2" X 8" X14" piece of wood around on a stick handle.
I've used all of these, in spite of their flaws they're the best we've ever gotten.
If someone else wants to give it a shot, I'll try em, heck I even played actual games with a rapide :lol:

It is frustrating to have to wait though, but if I don't like this one, I'll wait for the next one.

Rob

Its not that its a race. To my knowledge it was said to be rolled out this weekend. I was really anticipating the release of this as well as it was looking to be my first entry into the pistol world.

ok with what major company's do we have that still make pistol i can think of few that do but not a lot. so where is the race for it. as for pistol hard for people to get use to since hard time to change or reload gun for many. with that in mind people do not want to waste time on reloads and changing out stuff to reload.