Mental Issues and Ghosts..

Are you or someone you know diagnosed with Shzophenic (?Spelling). If so you probably understand were i am coming from. People who are Shzophenic are said to see and hear things others don't. Some i have talked to said the people they see are a relative or a person they had knew, that had passed away. So they are seeing people that have passed.. Could these people really be seeing the dead? I have talked to Neurologist and she said that there is alot about the brain they do not know anything about. So saying this how can they diagnose some one that is seeing and hearing things others don't? They really may be seeing them. Maybe these people are like a Super Meduim. There is alot we don't understand. This would be something i would like to experiement with.

Another Mental Illness i would like to talk about is DID/MPD Dissociate Identity Disorder or use to be called Mulitiple Personality disorder..

DID/MPD is said to be a person who was traumatise when you are young. what happens is that you make other personality to protect yourself during the bad times. Then when you get older these personalities become real.

People who suffer this has more then one personality. have you ever thought maybe these people have more then one Soul?


Maybe when they was young they was traumatise. But instead of making another personality. Maybe they are opening themselves up for possession. Or maybe the people who suffer this was born with more then one soul? These both are good question. And i think they are questions not even the most educated person could answer with proof.

At one time someone that was DID/MPD was considered possessed and they would call in a priest to get rid of the unwanted spirits.. I haven't yet read what happen to these people. Could they really got rid of them? Or did it make matters worse or what. Something must of happen they kept doing it..

Just some thoughts.

Mel

one theory about people who suffer from mpd or multiple personality disorder is that they are acturally remnants of former lives surfacing
i found the book true hauntings:spirits with a purpose by hazel denning to be a wonderful read and an interesting outlook on existence of life after physical death

I'm bored and replying to old post. I lived with a schizophrenic, unmedicated. He also apparantly had mpd which is technically not a real mental disorder because it's controversial. Anyhow, I believe that both mental disorders are that. They are misfirings in the brain and not spiritual. Many churches use mental disorders as symptoms of demonic possession etc. and I don't buy into that either.

Schizophrenia is very complex when you think of seeing and hearing things it's not like fuzzy sounding things it's clear as day. They see people and things happening around them clear as day. It is all reality to them and a lot of hallucinations are based off of living, exisiting things and some are irrational like aliens etc.

I wholeheartedly agree. Mental illness is just that. It's very unfortunate for anyone involved.

very very interesting, im going to look at people with mental illnessess differently now

If you go in and tell some maybe not all therapists that your medium, Psychic or anything to do with Supernatural you get labeled. There is mental Disorder called Schizotypal Personality Disorder Which one symptom is you think you have magical thinking here a site about it.

http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe03.html Which so happens to be schizophrenia spectrum disorder.

I knew this guy who they labeled at schizophrenia and he said he always had some one with him at all times (Someone only he could see) You could always see him talking to someone, People all around said he was just crazy. He was nicest guy you ever meet.

He did say that he had problems telling one only he could see from us that everyone could see. So how would you look talking to someone on street and find out you were the only one that could see them? Or what if you had a friend that you could see, touch, smell etc. and you was the only one that could see him?

I would think you would look crazy to other people.

But this friend he was walking down street talking to his friend he had with him all the time and became close friends with. (mind you only he could see this friend) Well he suddenly said a female's name and the name he said so happen to be lady walking pass. He had told lady all about his friend and told her things noone could know. The lady told him his friend sounded like her husband who had died long time ago.
So what you think? Was he a medium? or crazy like everyone thought?

Mel

i belive that in some cases mental illnesses are really not that i have had a friend who grew up in a haunted house mostly poltegist activits and it was witness by multible poeple and from the time she was born until about 19 she lived there in that house she is really nice althoug i think that once in awhile she is possessed by somthing she just totaly changes and im afraid to be around her she ends up doing stuff that normaly wouldnt even th9ink of her doing i havent talked to her in a while so i dont know how she is doing know but i belive living in that house for as long as she did and some of the evnts that have happend there is the reason she is the way she is there is way more dept to this story but i totaly agree with you

I know I'm bumping up an old topic but since I work in Mental Health I'd like to share.
I think for the most part most mental illnesses are correctly identified. It may take awhile for a diagnosis, but usually schizophrenia is schizophrenia (or whatever given disease). I've seen patients mistake decorations hanging from the ceiling as meat hooks and freshly butchered turkeys. Also many people suffering from dementia "talk" with loved ones and friends. Usually if you listen long enough you realize they are "seeing" a memory, the person is talking to their 40-year-old son, but speaking to him as if he were a ten-year-old who needs to clean his room. A "misfiring in the brain" was a good way of stating it.
However, thats not to say I haven't seen things that's strange to say the least. Twice I have known patients who's spouses have died since the patient's admission, and both times the patient knew it before being told. How they knew I--don't know. Maybe I even misinterpreted the patient's comments since I knew of the situation beforehand. Then again many people are able to sense the death of a loved one whether or not they suffer from mental illness, so maybe it had nothing to do with their dementia.

I do have to wonder, sometimes, though about people who are considered mentally ill who say they see things. The brain is something we know very little about, we know that normally we use very little of it, we don't even know what it all does or is capable of really. So, just to pose another train of thought, what if the people who are "ill" and seeing things are really able to see and hear things we can't? What if they have managed to get into some part of the brain, or have some kind of difference to allow them to see and hear what we can't? Children are much the same way, they see things easier because they haven't learned not to yet. Eventually, the reality of the world creeps in and they hear that it's not acceptable to be "open" so they close up. What if some people have foudn a way to re-open themselves. Are we right in assuming that they're just ill and should be medicated? Or, to go in another direction, what if they are seeing things on a different plane of reality. I could go off into the the different dimensions thing, but I suck at physics. I do believe that there can paralells that run along our own, what if they can see it and we are still blocked some how from that vison? We may see "decorations", but what if in the other paralell it really is turkeys in hooks? How can we truely be sure? To disprove one is to prove the other, but it could go both ways. I've never seen the bottom of the ocean, but I know it's there only because others have told me so. Do I trust their scientific proof because they have pictures and maps, all of which could be faked, or do I go with what I know and what I feel to be true. Someone once said the Earth was flat, that we were the only planet, that a giant squid was a myth and some weird looking fish was extinct (then they found it again).

It's just something to think about. What we know now to be true, tomorrow could be proved wrong and change completely. So how can we look at someone and tell them they're wrong, when we really can't be 100% sure ourselves?

Just today i was talking to a person who is diagnosed Schzophenic and we was talking about how when you go into the psychatris they just ask you hearing voices or seeing things. They will ask what you see and what they say. But they don't get into what seeing and hearing to much. They don't dig into it.

My friend said "That he has ability to see into spirit world" Saying sometimes there are demonic things he see's and hears and some very wierd things. But he believes these are from some kind of ability or maybe a curse. If you truely was psychic would you be normal? Or would you have problems.

Him and i was talking about why don't doctors dig further into what you are see? Why do they label you as soon as you say you've seen and heard things others around you couldn't? Maybe they don't dig because they are afraid of what they will find. I'd like to ask why when you come in say you hear see things the Dr's just say here take 600mg of seroquel and call me in the morning!

There was some guys that if i remember right they was Med students they decided to see how mental hospitals work with labeling people. They all used 3 words to try to get into hospital one was seeing things, another one hearing things can't remember 3rd. But one they was admited they acted normal. They did what they always did when together. When these guys left the hospital they had a diagnoses.
I heard about this during a meeting were they read article out of a psychology book. I tried to find more info on it to post but wasn't able to.

If i find it i'll post more.

Mel

What exactally is "dementia"? Can you share with me a brief description please?

The dictionary says : Deterioration of intellectual faculties, such as memory, concentration, and judgment, resulting from an organic disease or a disorder of the brain. It is sometimes accompanied by emotional disturbance and personality changes

Its really a broad term, it can be caused by many different diseases. Alzheimer's is probably the easiest example. There's also demetia brought on by Parkinson's (usually late-stage Parkinson's), sometimes strokes can cause dementia too. Often we see people who have early dementia and can pretty much function through daily life, but a sudden death of a loved one or other tragedy can cause their cognitive abilities to spiral down extremely fast. Its very sad to see. Very interesting and mystifying how the brain works.

"It's just something to think about. What we know now to be true, tomorrow could be proved wrong and change completely. So how can we look at someone and tell them they're wrong, when we really can't be 100% sure ourselves?"

This is very true, but I think when a person is unable to function in their daily life because of their visions, or trying to kill themselves or others because of their hallucinations, it's better to err on the side of caution. Also dementia is more than just hallucinations, its also forgetting how to brush teeth, walk, mixing up words or not being able to speak at all. So its not just visions.

"There was some guys that if i remember right they was Med students they decided to see how mental hospitals work with labeling people. They all used 3 words to try to get into hospital one was seeing things, another one hearing things can't remember 3rd. But one they was admited they acted normal. They did what they always did when together. When these guys left the hospital they had a diagnoses."

I wouldn't be surprised by this happening. First of all, anytime someone voluntarily requests admission to a Mental Health Unit, it happens. (At least I can't imagine it not happening, though I could be wrong, I definitely don't run things!)
When discharged, the hospital has to bill insurance or medicare, medicaid, whatever. To do this, they need to have a diagnosis otherwise the hospital won't get its money. "Why admit someone to a hospital unless they're sick"-type of thing. Pretty sad, but yeah, thats what it boils down to. So even though the students showed no behaviors, they were diagnosed based on what they gave during admission. I'm sure the staff there were wondering what the heck they were doing there after a day or two!
BTW, anti-psychotics are powerful stuff, I wouldn't recommend repeating an experiment like this due to the potential damage. IMHO, those type of drugs should only be used when absolutely necessary and the least effective dose. I don't think I could work with people who jump the gun on the meds and dope people up.

Wow! what an incredible answer! Thank you so very much for taking all that time to put that out there for me! It was much appreciated and extreamly knowledgeable! Deanne Marie Ü

Yeah it was pretty windy wasn't it? :D

I'm not sure how old this argument is but here goes. I want to get into the story of Emily Rose. She died under the care of a priest performing an exorcism. I'm pretty sure you all have heard and seen the movie.

She was diagnosed with schizophrania, but her family, the priest and Emily herself believed in some other demonic or evil posession.

And I agree that when a psychologist diagnoses and disorder, most of the time it is correct and proper treatment is given. But I'm looking at Emily's case and she was definately posessed. She spoke in foreign tounges (Latin) and did bizzare things. The movie also touches on the symptoms of her disorder.

I guess what I'm trying to say that there is a fine line between the spirit world and psychological disorders.

Great point!!!! Truely a fine line. Has any professional actually put their reputation and whole belief on paranormal being ANY part of a diagnosis?

I don't know anything about Emily Rose's case other than there's a movie about it (curently in my queue ;) )
I highly doubt any "professional" would publically admit thay may think there is something paranormal going on. Thats too bad, can you imagine what kind of progress might be made if medical professionals could work with spiritual experts?
I see wonders done by our chaplain with patients at work, but I can't cross that line.
I think the line between the paranormal and all parts of our everyday life is very fine.

it was determined in the case of emily rose that she did not die directly as a result of the exorcism, but from malnutrition as a result of being denied food and water, along with the mental exhaustion of the ecorcism which lasted over a year......
sorry everyone i have been out of touch for some time and just got back to the internet...i am still in minnesota, but i am now about 60 miles from mankato.....feel free to message me on yahoo as purplebutterflyangel.....i am still interested in participating in more "ghost hunts"
and old soul, i lost everything i had from fort snelling in a fire in my apartment, along with basically everything i owned except for the stuff i had in my suitcase when i went to spend the holidays with my family in wisconsin....really bummed me out because i had alot of really good pics from there

Oh wow! I hope eveyone was ok! That's much more important than good pictures!