Title: Evidence, Questioning, and Defence
Micon - April 8, 2004 11:22 PM (GMT)
"Security breach with the intent to destablize diplomatic relations with another region"
The information will not be posted till April 9 as a very serious issue has arisen that needs to be dealt with before posting.
Carbanousa - April 9, 2004 05:41 PM (GMT)
Here are the notes from my investigation. Please note that all personally identifiable information has been removed to prevent any reprucussions. You will notice that the beginning of each IP address is the same. Each IP matched as did each whois. All of the Email addresses used contained the same name: matt@hotmail.com.
New CanAmerica Investigation Notes
New CanAmerica (and alias's) IP: 24.69.xxx.xxx
New CanAmerica Emails: xxxxxxx@hotmail.com -
Registrant Physical Address: Calgary, Alberta
New CanAmerica, Lexwolf, Tinpot, and Jeep_key:
all registered at hotmail.com domain (free service)
Canadian Bacon
24.69.xxx.xxx Members 0 xxxxxxxxxx101@hotmail.com
CanuckForCup
24.69.xxx.xxx Members 0 xxxxx@xxxx.ca
Lexwolf
24.69.xxx.xxx Members 1 xxxxxxxx@hotmail.com
New Canamerica
24.69.xxx.xxx Members 7 mattxxxx@hotmail.com
P.Canada
24.69.xxx.xxx Members 1 xxxxxxxxxx87@hotmail.com
StKits
24.69.xxx.xxx Members 0 xxxxxmatt@hotmail.com
TheFu
24.69.xxx.xxx Members 1 mattxxxxxx@hotmail.com
xxxxx@xxxx.ca=matched whois. Corporate connection. Firewalled. ISP. Registered to CA, AB, CA (Calgary, Alberta, Canada)
The whois locates to the same business address.
New Can's IP Trace: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
New Can's/Alias whois:
OrgName: Rogers@xxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx
OrgID: ROGERSxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx
Address: CLASSIFIED
City: Toronto
StateProv: ON
Country: CA
For interest, the net-ranges also matched indicating the same DNS.
Yes. Some don't match. This is an attempt to bypass security. However, whois is correct. Matced whois - IP traced to origin
These are my orginal notes and have only been edited to prevent individual identification. That's why they're irregular in the format.
Checkers McDog - April 9, 2004 08:20 PM (GMT)
Ejection and trial info to come shortly.
Checkers McDog - April 11, 2004 01:42 AM (GMT)
The nations/off-site accounts (listed in the other thread) connected to New Canamerica may plead their case in this thread. Evidence may be posted here. And any other nations of Canada, may pose questions here if they are relevant to the trial (otherwise post in the thread in the Citizen's Voice forum as any posts off topic will be moved or deleted). Any questions regarding the gathering of evidence may be posted here as well.
Checkers McDog - April 11, 2004 03:01 AM (GMT)
On the South Pacifc off-site forum, the IP of New Canamerica, matches that of Jeep_Key, Tinpot, and New Canamerica (registered on both boards).
In conversation on thier forums, a user named 'Canate' (nation ceases to exist), brought up the fact that they were formerly known as Tinpot, and that they're now in the SP as New Canamerica. Which links all the IP's to the same person. Though Canate's account shows a different IP when registered, they're posts always appear to be from the IP belonging to New Canamerica and his aliases.
Carbanousa - April 11, 2004 12:09 PM (GMT)
The most common explanation of this is registering from a different machine. However, if used maliciously, it can appear to be two separate people as it was in this case, initially.
Micon - April 12, 2004 10:19 PM (GMT)
This was posted on the Canada Regional Board.
QUOTE
Dear Citizens, Ministers and Prime Minister of Canada,
Although the recent events with the South Pacific and Canada and the events of a security breach were horrible, I've personally come to ask that the citizens, ministers and the Prime Minister please give Lexwolf another chance. Although I do not know the other accounts, I can assure everyone that Lexwolf would not try to cause trouble. Although he's not been active for a while now, he was a very noble and just nation. His deeds in 10000 Islands are small but should not be forgotten as he helped out in many region defense missions. He was probably one of my first friends coming to 10000 Islands. For those who remember the Alberta Crisis, Lexwolf was one of the first to come to my aid when I asked for help. He's always been there when I needed help, but ever since he's been gone. I ask everyone here to reconsider and re-evaluate what Lexwolf has done. Thank you.
Izdambodia
and my reply
Please make your post inour offsite forum at
http://invisionfree.com/forums/NationStates_Canada/index.phpMicon
Minister of Justice
Carbanousa - April 12, 2004 10:23 PM (GMT)
Also, here is the whois details from an IP trace:
City: Burnaby
StateProv: BC
PostalCode: XXX-XXX
Country: CA
ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.XXXXX.XXX:XXXX
NetRange: XXX.XX.X.X - XXX.XX.XXX.XXX
CIDR: XXX.XX.X.X/XX
NetName:
NetHandle:
Parent:
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer:
NameServer:
Just so that people are aware, certain details have been ommitted to prevent indentification or abuse of the Net-ranges available.
New Canamerica - April 14, 2004 06:36 AM (GMT)
<as posted in the South Pacific's off-site forum>
I wasn't sure where the thread regarding the alleged security breach was, so I shall respond here until directed to another thread.
First: the charges against myself seem to be, "breaching security under the name New Canamerica, and attempting to destablize diplomatic relations between Canada and the South Pacific," in Checkers McDog's words.
Second: there does not seem to have been due process in this case. Who has drawn up the charges, and on what evidence?
Third: normally, in bodies that met out justice, a judge or jury, a recognizable prosecutor, and a recognizable defence are all appointed or designated.
If the South Pacific and Canada, as democratic and just regions, wish to continue with this case in a fair and equitable manner, I ask that a judge and/or jury, and a recognizable prosecutor, be designated.
If both regions do not believe that this small right is for some reason unacceptable or impossible to carry out, then please continue with your current course of action, which is to grant me: "exactly one week to dispute these accusations on Canada's off-site forum, at which time your IP address will be banned there as well."
Micon - April 14, 2004 12:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (New Canamerica @ Apr 14 2004, 02:36 AM) |
<as posted in the South Pacific's off-site forum>
I wasn't sure where the thread regarding the alleged security breach was, so I shall respond here until directed to another thread.
First: the charges against myself seem to be, "breaching security under the name New Canamerica, and attempting to destablize diplomatic relations between Canada and the South Pacific," in Checkers McDog's words.
Second: there does not seem to have been due process in this case. Who has drawn up the charges, and on what evidence?
Third: normally, in bodies that met out justice, a judge or jury, a recognizable prosecutor, and a recognizable defence are all appointed or designated.
If the South Pacific and Canada, as democratic and just regions, wish to continue with this case in a fair and equitable manner, I ask that a judge and/or jury, and a recognizable prosecutor, be designated.
If both regions do not believe that this small right is for some reason unacceptable or impossible to carry out, then please continue with your current course of action, which is to grant me: "exactly one week to dispute these accusations on Canada's off-site forum, at which time your IP address will be banned there as well." |
New Canamerica (NC)
You are correct in stating what the charges are against you, however you are incorrect in saying that you have not recieved due process. This situation has been investigated and the evidence posted. NC and others were notified of the charges and offered an opportunity to defend your actions in this forum. You were given one week to answer the charges and present evidence to the contrary.
As the Minister of Justice I created this thread in order for NC to answer the charges as well as others to ask questions of you. Our minister of defence posted the evidence for all to see. I am also responsible to ensure that the discussion stays on topic. Inappropriate or off topic posts will be moved and or deleted.
Hi Al
I am trying to find out who you can talk to. I have not heard from the person I was looking for as they will be out of the office till tomorrow afternoon. I will let you know what I find out tomorrow afternoon.
At the end of this process a discussion will be held with Cabinet to determine the outcome of this process, guilty or innocent and what punishment will be carried out if guilty.
mavenu - April 14, 2004 01:47 PM (GMT)
As NCA said the above message was posted this in TSP also, i post also Slackervania's response to the message here (She is the secretary of Justice for TSP) (please move if you deem it necessary)
| QUOTE |
Canate, the charges against you are being prosecuted through Canada only, through their procedures. We are doing nothing more than enforcing the decision of an allied region, per a previous agreement. If you have issue with how this action is being carried out, please address your concerns to officials in Canada.
If you would like the evidence against you, please speak to Checkers and any other Canadian officials that you believe may be in posession of such information. If they refuse, I will ask the other Cabinet members here if I may release the information to you. |
Needless to say, the information is here on this site.
bweezy - April 14, 2004 02:09 PM (GMT)
Mav - if you could post a reply to the SP thread, stating that the entire body of evidence is in the Minister of Justice's forum, that would be appreciated - that way everyone knows everything is above board.
Thx.
-R
Carbanousa - April 14, 2004 02:12 PM (GMT)
I will respond to you grievance points in sucession, as I feel that this is the most appropriate way to answer from my perspective as Minister of Defence.
| QUOTE |
| First: the charges against myself seem to be, "breaching security under the name New Canamerica, and attempting to destablize diplomatic relations between Canada and the South Pacific," in Checkers McDog's words. |
Yes. Shortly after the admission of NCA into the CIA, it was noticed, by two separate individuals, that the member NCA headed straight for the most secure CIA forum containing sensative information to Canada's security. It was also noted that, shortly afterwards, the Nation NCA moved to the South Pacific. It was during this time that the Nation/Member Lexwolf requested admission to the CIA. Being unsure of the timing, I performed an IP trace of both members as well as a search of the members database. The two IP addresses correlated, and the immediate rationalisation of this were that it be the same person. The action of heading to the South Pacfic when relations were already strained was not the brightest move that could have been performed. Naturally, a full-scale investigation with the aid of our South Pacific Allies was launched.
| QUOTE |
Second: there does not seem to have been due process in this case. Who has drawn up the charges, and on what evidence?
|
There you are again mistaken. As The Minister of Justice explained, all of the Nations identified were sent a Telegram on the NationStates site. More than adqeuate time was permitted for you to respond, by the explained process.
The charge is self-exaplanitory, and the evidence is posted within this thread. If you have no objection, I will include the complete IP/Whois/DNS/ISP trace with all personally identifiable information. This would include Emails, physical address, and Net ranges. I decided that this would be an unethical approach. There are member Nations in Canada who may use this information to exact a 'personal' revenge. This, to me, is an unacceptable variable.
| QUOTE |
| Third: normally, in bodies that met out justice, a judge or jury, a recognizable prosecutor, and a recognizable defence are all appointed or designated. |
Judge: Micon, the Canadian Minster of Justice as this is an internal affair
Prosecutor: The Region of Canada
Defence: You
As you are the only person able to justify your actions, the responsibility to do so falls upon yourself. This misinterpretation is unfounded, and the Canadian people have been given regular updates as to the progress of the investigation.
It would not be wise to attempt a retaliation aginst what you consider to 'unfair justice' as this will only serve to deepen the hole that you have dug yourself. You will need to adopt a more pragmatic, intellectual approach rather than an outward show of hotility if you wish to be 1) taken seriously, 2) listened to, and 3) have your opinions considered.
mavenu - April 14, 2004 05:06 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bweezy @ Apr 14 2004, 10:09 AM) |
Mav - if you could post a reply to the SP thread, stating that the entire body of evidence is in the Minister of Justice's forum, that would be appreciated - that way everyone knows everything is above board.
Thx.
-R |
My apologies bweezy, I have done so already. I should have stated so.
Link to the thread on TSP is
here
Checkers McDog - April 14, 2004 06:41 PM (GMT)
Firstly, must say that I agree with everything that was stated earlier by Micon and Carbanousa, regarding the matter.
But in response to your second grievance, I must say that not only have we granted you due process, but above and beyond, what our laws call for. I suggest you review Canada's 'Board Use and Ejection Guidelines'. There is no law that states that we should even give you the privledge of defending yourself.
Carbanousa - April 14, 2004 09:37 PM (GMT)
I agree Checkers. It was compassion on behalf of the Cabinet that granted this 'due process' to be exacted.
bweezy - April 18, 2004 02:26 AM (GMT)
By direction of Checkers, I banned New Canamerica's IP address from these forums.
Carbanousa - April 18, 2004 12:10 PM (GMT)
Good. Then I guess we can officially 'wash our hands' of this matter and concentrate on the present.