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Title: The Canadian Constitution
Description: Voting time-frame


Parrrrtay - January 8, 2007 01:36 AM (GMT)
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2. Voting Period. The voting period of elections shall commence at 9:00 a.m. Eastern Time on the last Thursday of the month, and end at 11:59 p.m. Eastern Time on the following Sunday.


I would like to suggest we amend the Constitution to help cover when RL issues arrive for our Cabinet members. Being part of Cabinet in the past I realize how hard it is at times to open polls at the exact time the Constitution requires. By not opening them on time, in all reality, Cabinet is in violation of our Constitution.

I'm suggesting something like this:

2. Voting Period. The voting period of elections shall commence at 9:00 a.m. Eastern Time on the last Thursday of the month, and end at 11:59 p.m. Eastern Time on the following Sunday. run for a period of no less than 74 hours.

Of course all areas in the Constitution that cover an election time-frame would need to be amended.


420_Celebrants - January 8, 2007 02:29 AM (GMT)
I was actually going to post something about this in Cabinet, but then saw this. Way to beat me to it Shay.

I'd actually like to see it changed to something like this:

"Regional votes, other than scheduled Cabinet elections, may occur at any day of the week, as long as they are open for 96 hours" (or however many hours it is supposed to be)

It's annoying when I miss upping a vote due to RL time issues and then have to wait a whole week to be able to post it.

canada6 - January 8, 2007 02:30 AM (GMT)
Nice.

Getting rid of the exact time the polls open is a great idea.


A few thoughts:

If the polls open at 9:00AM and run exactly for 74 hours, the poll would have to be closed at 11 AM Sunday instead of 11:59 PM. So instead of 74 hours, we could use 87 hours to keep our traditional target date.

Also, "No less than 74 hours" could allow for an election that goes on indefinitely. I think we could establish an exact closing time for the polls even if it can't be met, by changing the language a bit.

Here is my whack at it:

2. Voting Period. The voting period of elections shall commence at 9:00 a.m. Eastern Time on the last Thursday of the month and end at 11:59 p.m. Eastern Time on the following Sunday. run for a period no less than 87 hours. The voting period of elections shall end tendentiously at the 87th hour.

I can't figure out a better way of saying: As soon as possible after the 87th hour.

420_Celebrants - January 8, 2007 02:33 AM (GMT)
The use of the word "tendentiously" just made me all giddy.

Ess - January 8, 2007 03:03 AM (GMT)
Great thinking, Shay!

:congratz: :congratz:

Parrrrtay - January 8, 2007 11:07 AM (GMT)
2. Voting Period.
The voting period of elections shall commence on the last Thursday of the month, shall run for 87 hours, and shall end tendentiously at the 87th hour.

I'm still hesitant about changing the Thursday - Sunday format for the regional votes. (amendments, VoC) If it falls on a Tuesday then it would not run over the weekend and many can't get here during the week to vote, especially if a notice of a vote isn't posted before hand to let them know to be here during the week.
*wanders off to ponder 420's idea more*

420_Celebrants - January 8, 2007 12:39 PM (GMT)
I kinda can't agree with this proposal at all. This is worse in many ways.

If RL time constraints force Cabinet to miss putting up the election threads, we'd have to wait a whole month before having the chance to rectify our error. That is not beneficial to the Region in any form of the matter.

You do raise a good point though. Maybe something like "Voting shall commence on a Wednesday, Thursday or Friday and run for 87 hours tendenturesly."

I don't think we should allow it to happen ninedentures or elevendentures for that matter.

Parrrrtay - January 8, 2007 01:00 PM (GMT)
Sorry but I feel a 24 hour period is plenty of time to put up an election. The threads can be made ahead of time and unlocked on Thursday. Personally I feel there are enough cabinet members that one of them should be able to be online sometime on that Thursday and unlock the threads.

EDIT: I have yet to see a day go by that at least one cabinet member has not logged on.

Omnivorous - January 8, 2007 02:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Parrrrtay @ Jan 8 2007, 01:00 PM)
Sorry but I feel a 24 hour period is plenty of time to put up an election. The threads can be made ahead of time and unlocked on Thursday. Personally I feel there are enough cabinet members that one of them should be able to be online sometime on that Thursday and unlock the threads.

EDIT: I have yet to see a day go by that at least one cabinet member has not logged on.

(Locking threads beforehand is a very good idea, opening the Election VoCs/Poll was a quick doddle rather than having to write them out myself; it saves much time when opening. I think that this should be an included part of the Constitution as a bare minimum from this conversation if nothing else)



If the polls open any later than 9 am, someone's faced wih the task of sitting up until 3 in the morning (EST time) to close the polls. Would it be too harmful to extend voting time to 96 hours and until, say, the Monday morning, when there's a chance someone will be awake and be compos mentis, rather than slouching over a keyboard with a cup of caffeine?

If we say that Polls should go up on a Wednesday, Thursday or Friday and run for 87 hours, no less and no more, then there should be an addition to the Candidacy Race for the Cabinet elections - giving opening of polls such a fluid environment could backstab the 24-hour rule regarding running for Cabinet.



Be VoCs and any other votes subjected to the same changes as well?

canada6 - January 8, 2007 03:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (420_Celebrants @ Jan 8 2007, 01:39 PM)
If RL time constraints force Cabinet to miss putting up the election threads, we'd have to wait a whole month before having the chance to rectify our error. That is not beneficial to the Region in any form of the matter.


But that's precisely what the current constitution states as well.

Specifically: last Thursday of the month

QUOTE (Omnivorous @ Jan 8 2007, 03:39 PM)
If we say that Polls should go up on a Wednesday, Thursday or Friday and run for 87 hours, no less and no more, then there should be an addition to the Candidacy Race for the Cabinet elections - giving opening of polls such a fluid environment could backstab the 24-hour rule regarding running for Cabinet.

Good point. But that can be easily curbed by setting an official date and time that after which candidacies may no longer be announced, rather than just 24 hours prior to the polls opening.

Parrrrtay - January 8, 2007 03:23 PM (GMT)
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QUOTE (Omnivorous @ Jan 8 2007, 03:39 PM)
If we say that Polls should go up on a Wednesday, Thursday or Friday and run for 87 hours, no less and no more, then there should be an addition to the Candidacy Race for the Cabinet elections - giving opening of polls such a fluid environment could backstab the 24-hour rule regarding running for Cabinet.

Good point. But that can be easily curbed by setting an official date and time that after which candidacies may no longer be announced, rather than just 24 hours prior to the polls opening.

I agree, a time set on Wednesday would be good if we go with the polls should open on Thursday.
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If the polls open any later than 9 am, someone's faced wih the task of sitting up until 3 in the morning (EST time) to close the polls.

This is why I stated 'run for a period no less than 87 hours'
Maybe it could read no less than 87 hours and no more than... :shrug:




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