Hey there Canada!

Most of you may recognise me as the ambassador to this region from the GRA; however i come to you in a slightly different capacity now. I today come to you as a representative of the Founderless Region Alliance.

The organisation, which was founded in early June of this year, was created for the sole purpose of helping to rebuild those regions which have been decimated by past invasions. While we class ourselves as defenders, our main priority is to rebuild regions once they have been secure, unlike all other defender groups who defend and leave.

I have come to Canada today to ask if it may be possible to have an embassy in order to try and build good, solid relations with this region and my organisation.

If you have any questions please feel free to ask them. Or indeed visit the FRA forums at http://z7.invisionfree.com/FRA/index.php?act=idx

Thank you for your time and i look forward to hearing your response: D

NC

Just to note, in case you didn't know, Canada doesn't enter into alliances and we are a VERY neutral Region that does not involve ourselves in Invading or Defending tactics.

Knowing this, might you inform me as to how Canada would be able to help this Alliance and what the Alliance can do for Canada?

Absolutely. I agree with our Minister of Regional Affairs.

On the other hand though, should Cabinet and the region agree, we may be able to offer assistance in drawing up charters, legislation or documents similar to a Consitution (of sorts).

Of course i completely understand here, however i dont see why that should stop us forming close links with each other, even if its unofficial :)

Well, firstly i will answer this without knowing that Canada does not enter into any alliances. Basically, the idea, like i stated before, of this alliance is to help rebuild those regions which need it. Those which are dying due to past invasions for instance are the most common. What the FRA tries to do is educate, guide and give aid to a region. This is normally in the form of recruitment aid, defensive aid and the like. I must make it known here however, that the FRA will not take control of a region i n order to help them do this, they must be willing to help themselves. We are here to help and guide, but we shall not do all the work.

Member regions are what make the alliance, so to answer your question, if Canada did join, you would be expected (but not forced, however if you didnt do anything productive, then your membership could be revoked) to give aid to these regions in the form of guidance really. And by Guidance i mean, perhaps sending over one or two puppets to the region in question, and being a mentor, helping them set up forums, create a government and get their defences up to scratch, that sort of thing.

Now, what Canada could do for the alliance without being a member. Basically, members here who are interested in helping could join up as a 'Ranger', which is basically our soldiers, however by joining as a 'Ranger' you can participate in other things as well, such as regional development. In regards to Canada as a whole, what can they offer without joining, well im not too sure and i will have to ask about that, however i think that the same sort of thing which you can help with as a member could be applied here as well, minus the defending of those regions of course, however i shall get back to you on this one.

Its hard to say what the FRA can offer you, as we are not a defender organisation by strict definition. Our organisation is more inclined towards those regions which are founderless and in need of our help, rather then those who are already stable. What we do offer however is the chance for you to help in the rebuilding process, and all regions which sign up are equal, regardless of size or reputation. We offer you the chance to help these regions in an organised way, something which has never been done before successfully.


Hope that helps, if not get back to me and ill try and explain again.

Sounds sort of like charity work yet you call it an alliance.
I still don't get why so many want to use the word 'alliance' in their name.

Parrrrtay, does the name bother you that much? :)

I'm here representing the FRA as well, I'm the current Diplomacy Officer/MoFA of this new organisation. :D NC and I will take any questions that you guys have. :P

Well its an alliance of regions that wish to help those who need it. We cant really call us a charity as for one it doesnt roll off the tounge that nicely, and we havent got a registered charity number :P

Plus i dont think it matters too greatly what we call ourselves.

I am sorry I have missed this discussion thus far. We will talk about it and get back to you. If you want an insight into what we usually look into please read the Canadian Standards for Diplomatic Relations.

Its quite alright and thank you :D

You might not think that ... but we do over here. And if you're coming to us to join with us, then you should respect our ways.

I equate this to going to India and killing a cow 'cause I want to eat it. 'Course, this is a stereotypical equation as I've never been to India and don't even know if the cow is as sacred as I've heard it to be ... but still ... bottom line ... we don't enter into alliances ... so it DOES matter what you name it.

I feel you may have read slightly more into that section of my post then what was meant.

I didnt mean to offend with what i said so i apologise if i did. We know Canada do not join into any alliances, and we respect that greatly, that is why we asked if we could have an embassy here to help us create stronger diplomatic relations between us.

:P

Calling ourselves FRA doesn't make the friends of the FRA as members of the Alliance. :D We do understand the neutrality posture of Canada and we respect that but I frankly don't see how having an embassy exchange with us damages the stance Canada has taken in NS. :D We do hope you all consider this request.

May I request for an update, if any, on our application? :)

Yes. Sorry it took a bit.

Cabinet decided against ties at this time with Founderless region alliance. Please refer to the Canadian Standards for Diplomatic Relations if you would like further clarity. Good luck in all of your endeavors.

Im not being rude here or anything but lets just say if the region "Global Right Alliance" wants to open to open an embassy do you reject it because of the name?

And the only reason it is called FRA is because that was the provionsary name for it before we got started and by the time we started everyone was calling FRA and i couldnt change it so yeah thats my fault.

None of this matters now, FRA thanks you for your consideration.

BKB
Arch Chancellor of FRA.

Im disappointed we couldnt open diplomatic relations with you. I personally can not see the harm in that at all. We are not asking you to join, what we are asking you is to open up relations with us so we can build a strong bond between us.

While i respect the decision, i implore you to look at it once more. If you still reject the offer of an embassy exchange in order to open diplomatic relations, then i fully understand.

Thank you for your consideration anyway.

NC

We do have an embassy with GRA actually :wacko: :D

GRA has a region in NS; I've yet to be indicated that the FRA does. If a region does not exist, a region being part of the foundation structure of NS, then it would be my personal response not to open ties.
If I have correct sources, FRA is an alliance/charity organisation made up from several region members; Global Right Alliance is a single region. Having the word 'Alliance' in your name doesn't have an effect on thoughts/outcomes as you are an alliance and Canada has a history of not joining interregional organisations.

Personally I'm very interested in hearing what other founderless regions of similar style and size of Canada would have to say. Their goals, strategies, threats, problems, etc. I imagine that there is a great deal we might learn from one another.

But I totally agree with the cabinet's decision. Having Canada invest it's resources in helping to rebuild smaller regions, would have to come at a price, especially when these resources are shared with other regions. Canada has been historically opposed to that.

We have on occasion helped out other regions and quite effectively, but it has always been done on our own.

Obviously, what an entity calls itself does not matter very much at all. (GRA for example.) How it functions and it's stated purpose is far more important.

p.s. I'd like to say hello to both NC and The Merlion, whom I have both worked with in the past. They've always shown courtesy and skill as diplomats and statesmen.

And we understand that, however we are not asking you to join the organisation. That may have come about in passing, however nothing official. What the FRA would like is just an embassy in order to open up relations between us, so we can each gain a better understanding of each other, and if circumstances change in the future, work together.

Hey canada6. :P Thanks and that is very kind of you. :D

From the Canadian Standards of Diplomatic Relations, I'm guessing that the FRA failed no. 8 since we don't have a region in nationstates. While I'm disappointed that we are unable to open relations with a nice region like Canada, I'd like to say that I respect your decision and would like to request the Cabinet to look into our request again if possible.

If you have the same concerns as canada6, NC/BKB has addressed them above and I'd like to reinforce that message. We are not expecting Canada to provide resources to rebuild the founderless regions, that is what we expect of members of the organisation, not regions that we have diplomatic relations with. What we requested was a simple diplomatic recognition like the one Canada has with the likes of GRA, Jethnea among others. :) Of course, if Canada feels that joining the organisation is beneficial in future, we'll consider that application seperately.

Hope that clarifies. Btw, thanks king_girl for your reply. :fonz:

Oh yes, how rude of me, let me say thank you for the compliment as well :D

Canada6's concerns are his own and not reflective of Cabinet at all.

FYI - I posted this the other day in our House of Commons while discussing the Canadian Standards of Diplomatic Relations. It might give some insight for you as to why number 8 is there.

Now ... of course there is some of my own opinion in there ... but that's pretty much the basis of number 8.

It is true that I'm merely speaking as a concerned citizen.

I agree with the cabinet's decision, although I think you were wrong on one point you've made and I'm glad that Omnivorous clarified it for our guests. What an entity calls itself does not matter much. What an entity specifically consists of, does matter.

No problem! A new Cabinet is being elected, but I doubt the decision will be turned. However, you have done well in keeping the discussion open. I think the reasoning behind ground rule #8 is sound, but discussion only can help make our laws stronger. Thanks for wanting Canada as a friend.

Well, even if we dont have diplomatic relations, we will come to the aid of Canada if you ever need it. :cananim: