Change in government for TWP

Here's the questions I would like answered:

How is "The West Pacific has stagnated; interest has waned and the government is simply not drawing the interest that it could." even remotely grounds to justify martial law?
(a system of complete control by a country's military over all activities, including civilian, in a theoretical or actual war zone, or during a period of emergency caused by a disaster such as an earthquake or flood, with the military commander having dictatorial powers)

If you want to restructure the government why not use amendments and the rule of law to make the "required" changes?

What makes you better able to determine the "new" government than the voters of the region?

When will you return the government to the nations of the region?

Why should Canada tolerate such undemocratic actions?

This is the problem with the feeder regions. Because they are given a steady supply of new "immigrants" (new nations), they don't have to do anything special to maintain their existance. Since their survival is assured, they don't have to do anything to better themselves in order to attract players/nations or ensure that their nations actually function.

Non-feeder regions on the other hand must innovate in order to attract residents. Whether its from direct marketing, maintaining a global profile in embassies, or specializing to cater to a specific group of individuals (either based on language, ideology or rl nationality), the user created regions are more dynamic and active. The people in those regions care about their home, because they chose to be there - as persons who have invested time and resources in their decision to live in a user created region, they are driven to ensure constant change within the region, so that it always stays relevant. Stagnation is possible in User Created Regions (if, for instance, new players are not attracted on a rapid enough basis), but less likely due to the stake we all have in the region.

I haven't paid much attention to anything outside of Canada in six months or more. But my recollection is that TEP and TSP were pretty dead. Now we hear that TWP "stagnated" as well. TNP seems pretty active, kudos to them - its hard to have a functioning active feeder. TP, the last time I checked, was active, due to its unique position and history. The neofascist angle they've milked for years, though distasteful, has kept them active and relevant.

I don't wish to comment on TWP's decision more than to suggest that it strikes me that fixing stagnation by giving the ruling clique even MORE power through martial law seems to be the opposite of what is required in order to breathe new life into a region. Diversity and new blood eliminates stagnation. Giving the ruling clique even more power seems to only breed it.

The only thing I can think of is that this is a transparent ploy to try to wake people up and get involved, and that the ruling clique will "release their grip" on power once others have come to "liberate" TWP, resulting in increased participation in the region and a departure from the tedium that has allegedly set in. Those involved in this plan generally have good reputations. I suspect that this is their transparent, scripted and desperate plea to get new blood into the region by faking a totalitarian state for awhile.

Long story short: the elites of TWP have grown bored, and are now likely scripting some fun for themselves all the while hoping that new players come on board as a result.

Personally, I think a good marketing and rebranding campaign would have been more legitimate and more effective. Their problem is a lack of identity - they need to formulate one.

When you think of TP, you think of PRP, or NPO. When you think of ASE or TPC, you think of left wing ideology. When you think of the RR, you think of the RRA. When you think of 10000 Islands - you think of TITO and liberators. When you think of this region, you think of Canadians, hockey Donuts and Beer, quirky ambassadors reports, etc. When you think of other regions modelled after RL countries, you think of those rl countries and their attributes (Australia, England, etc.)

When you think of TWP, nothing really comes to mind. So long as they have an identity void, they will continue having problems.

In conclusion, TWP needs a long term identity, not martial law.

Nice contribution - thanks Bweezy.

I do have that in the back of my mind also. Perhaps for the nations in power that is more fun than any non-extermist method of increasing participation.

Perhaps our response should be a recruiting drive to attrach those nations that are pro-democracy to Canada.

That would be consistent with what we did to both the TP and the TNP (when it turned evil for a spell).

Also, my memory tells me that RP is pretty big in TWP - this could be an RP on steroids. In fact, RP could be the logical arm of their rebranding campaign - turn TWP into a hotbed devoted primarily to RPing. Then they'd have their identity and clear place in NS.

Wow, that happened quick.

Further information: here.

Daemon, that's the same informaition as my first link :P

Whatever, cheddar! Like I read what other people post!

^_^

I just felt like contributing...

I've taken ten minutes to look at the new TWP forum. For a group that has had their civil liberties suspended, they are all taking it incredibly well. I also see leaders claiming that everything is well ordered, all the while seeing nothing but disorganization and disarray. I guess that is consistent with a coup.

Amid this chaos, If a stable, democratic region were so inclined, they could really inflate their population through a direct telegramming campaign of potential immigrant residents of the TWP. The TWP is a free lunch for whoever wants it.

Ironically, such a campaign would effectively render TWP even more stagnant than before - all of their "new blood" would be scooped up and sent elsewhere, leaving the region as stagnant as ever. It certainly would send a message to other regions who might be thinking about pulling this sort of stunt in the future.

A while back the NS mods set some rules about recruiting in the feeders. I'm not sure if direct TGs are still allowed, they might be. I do know that feeders usually have a spot in their forum for other regions to recruit. I also think you are allowed one post per day in the RMB for recruiting.

I'm not sure about that. If they got bored with democracy that's their problem. We would benefit from adding members who prefer democracy enough to change regions.

1. It had actually not stagnated, or at least not as they would have us know. They have MANY active nations.
2. Martial Law doesn't fix inactivity or bring about democracy, it does the opposite. Several of TWPs most important members have left, including Dilber one of the most important figures in the NS world.
3. I think they had quite a good identity before. They were good, proffesional defenders, a pleasure to work with, which is a lot to say considering they're in the ADN.
4. This has caused chaos. MANY people are fighting this government that they consider is illegitimat. I'm inclined to agree with them. I hate to advocate the ASE's forums so much because I know it gets irritating, but we have 7 fun pages of this including discussions from some of the former leaders
here.

The WPD has been disolved. the democraticly elected government is now back in power. The original constitution has been restored and everything is back to the way it was before.

Not exactly - now they know that they can lose their constitution on a moment's notice. It reminds me of the saying that once you break a fine piece of china, that no matter how expertly it is put back together it's never the thing of beauty that it was before...

well the point i was trying to get across was that the WPD is no longer in power.

Nor is the previous cabinet.

It will be curious to see how this shakes out. Who knows maybe they will be more democratic after this - hard to tell...

Watch, wait, and see I guess.

i think its gonna be different there from now on. stuff is still prety complicated from what i understand. lots of contraveresy and other fun stuff.

Though if looked upon more optimistically, in the long run it may be good for them. Maybe it will make them see faults in the previous governments that they can fix and bring TWP to a whole new degree of success.

I think that was the point of creating the dominion, but maybe I was too naive.

I have been over there they are focused on moving forward now the hard part starts.

One Extra problem they have is one of the Admins who was part of WPD went nuts and screwed up the Permission Masks on the s8 site since they thought they would not need the s8 site again. Dilber is spending this weekend trying to fix as much of the mess as he can.

So some People can not see the Gov areas (incl. some Gov members I think)
To things are moving slowly in TWP

strange

Official ADN Statement
Regarding Recent Events in TWP

http://alliancenews.blogspot.com/2005/11/o...-regarding.html

I'll take any questions you have.

Dilber

Very general question to start off:

As you are a long time TWP resident whose name is synonymous with TWP, what is your personal take on all this?

Secondly, a more specific question:

What are your plans personally after this episode? Do you plan to continue to reside in TWP, or could some other region be so lucky as to scoop you up?

I'm most disturbed by the discarding of democracy as the approach to address your activity problem. It is my hope that no matter what happens, Canada will never turn away from our democratic ideals.

The "core" may have some how done us a favor by reminding us how easy it can be for democracy to be "removed". With so many other ways to address your region's problem, the approach taken leaves me feeling a bit sickened. How do you feel about the events at this point?

Hmmm - Dilber posted a request for questions. Comes back this morning and reads them. Then leaves.

Well the post didn't say anything about answering any questions. :lol:

This approach to improve activity was something that Spanish Pacific had attempted in North Pacific over the summer, with mixed results. At the time, several key figures resigned and it looked as if the region's participation might seriously crash. Then the fall semester began and participation began to pick up again. Many of the members who had left the region returned and the region seems to be as healthy as it was before the summer.

Well I would assume that they are busy with getting the Gov. System up and going again. also from what Dilber told me its going to take several days to the permission mask settings ALL back to normal (Maybe even weeks?)

I saw one or two topics about when they would have elections they have to PUSH back the DATE to these events IIRC

Just thought it was odd that he took the time to read the questions but not to answer them. Not a big deal. I'm suprised that he took the time to come to Canada and when he has more time I'd like to hear his take on the events.

That's odd it took no where near that long to mess them up. I have admin rights on invisionfree sites and can understand that having thousands of users could take some time to straighten out. Weeks? I think not...

Sort the users by the post count and you could have the 20% that matter corrected in an hour or two.

They probably have a ton of people on TWP forums though.

A lot of regions get scared in the summer because activity drops, but it always picks back up in the fall.

Feeder regions are not that much different when it comes to the amount of active users. If TWP has over 200 users active in their forum I'd be supprised. (I'll bet it is way less than that since the whole issue was started over inactivity)

I don't know what is going on with their permission masks or if it even matters but taking days or weeks to correct it is BS...

I had replied. My connection apparently timed out, and never posted.

I have the essential board fixes done.

The issue was with masking.

1. Every single mask was changed. TWP has upwards of 30 masks. I have a very complex security system for them. Each mask was changed. I then had to go by every user and check their masks for changes. I pulled an all nighter on that one.

As for the other questions.

My personal take on it. I'll be quite honest and state I had some foreknowledge of it. I hadn't expected it to be this soon, and I'd been attempting to talk the rest out of it. It started as a think tank. I was game for conventional methods. It then moved to martial law, and regime change. I was against this.

The people involved i believe had good intentions, but went about it wrong. I had left the region over it, and I'll be quite honest in saying I got 3 hours of sleep total that night, and I cried for most of the night. Yes, I did cry over a game, as sad as that sounds. I left TWP before doing so, and I resided in Lemuria for the night. Apparently, during my 3 hours of slumber, I was being touted as a rebel leader. I recieved numerous TG's and PM's asking for me to help. I came back, and I became the leader. Flash Forward 24 hours, and we're to the aftermath. It's a lot to rebuild, but TWP is strong.

As for me personally, I am currently running for Prime Minister. If elected, this will be my 4th term. I am also going to try some conventional methods to get activity, including the possiblity of new ministries being created.

Each member of the core is still an OOC friend, and some I still consider OOC online family.

Thanks for finding the time to post. Best of luck to you.

Thank you very much.

Now that you have created an account - please feel free to drop by the forum anytime. :fonz:

Will do ;)

I've had an account for a long time. Just rarely posted :P

Huzzah!

Hi I'm the new foreign Minister! We've been contacted by Judith Gap so I'm popping in here so we can get things sorted out.

Just as some news, Dilber has been elected the prime-minister for the fourth time. We've sorted out the new cabinet and elected Hiposhire as the Chief Justice, we've founded a new agency, are debating a new cabinet position and are in the process of electing a new associate justice. So all in all it's been a busy week.

We don't have an ambassador for you at the moment because ZetaOne has left the region and I don't think he'll be coming back. I'll try and cover you as much as I can but as you realise things are a bit hectic and I have about 30 embassies and consulates to oversee, so the emabssy may not be that active for a while.