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Title: UN Indecision
Description: Proposal to increase confidence in UN


Zarpiya - November 1, 2005 09:00 AM (GMT)
The People's Republic of Zarpiya proposes the following:

THAT every United Nations Resolution passed by a majority be given 60 days, during which it cannot be repealed, pursuant to the following conditions:

1. No Repeals may be brought against United Nations Resolutions passed within the past 60 days.

2. ( a ) Nations in breech of this Resolution will face an international Tribunal, which will determine whether or not their Repeal is valid in spite of the terms of this Resolution, pursuant to Article 3.

( b ) In the event that the Tribunal finds the offending Nation is without cause for the attempted repeal, it will be subject to the following penalties:

( i ) the offending Nation will be stripped of its right to submit Proposals for a period of 60 days following the ruling of the Tribunal.

( ii ) the offending Nation will be stripped of its right to vote on United Nations Resolutions for a period of 60 days following the ruling of the Tribunal.

( iii ) if the offending Nation is a Regional Delegate to the United Nations, it will be stripped of its right to endorse other Proposals to the United Nations for a period of 60 days following the ruling of the Tribunal.

( c ) All United Nations Delegates endorsing any Repeal in breech of the conditions of this Resolution will face similar penalties, as determined by the Tribunal mentioned in Article 2, Section ( a ).

3. ( a ) Repeals of United Nations Resolutions passed 60 days ago or less will be considered as valid if the Repeal is based on:

( i ) Grammatical or other errors in the wording of the Resolution in question which make it invalid or which create loopholes in it.

( ii ) The Resolution in question is contradictory to previous Resolutions passed by the United Nations.

( b ) Repeals of United Nations Resolutions passed 60 days ago or less must cite Article 3, Section ( a ) with respect to why the Repeal has been brought forth.

( c ) If the Repeal of a Resolution passed 60 days ago or less does not cite Article 3, Section ( a ), it will automatically be considered invalid and the proposing nation will be subject to a ruling of the Tribunal mentioned in Article 2, Section ( a ).

4. Nations that disobey the ruling of the Tribunal mentioned in Article 2, Section ( a ) will be expelled and barred from the United Nations for a period of 30 days, after which the Nation may apply for membership once more.

Definitions:

"Resolution" - any Proposal that has been accepted by the United Nations and made into International Law by virtue of a majority vote in the United Nations.

"majority" - the number of votes FOR the Resolution exceeds the number of votes AGAINST the same by 1000 or more.

Zarpiya - November 1, 2005 09:03 AM (GMT)
We have noticed in many different places a gross lack of confidence in the United Nations, based on the fact that Resolutions passed are quite often repealed very shortly after, making the whole process seem like a joke.

We feel that the above Proposal is the answer to this problem.

The actual period of time that the Resolution would be immune for would be determined by a regional vote before this Proposal would be submitted to the United Nations. The Zarpiyan people feel that 60 days would be a decent length of time for this immunity.

Furthermore, we propose that should this Proposal be favourable to the nations of Canada, that our Minister of Foreign Affairs should drum up support for it throughout other regions PRIOR to the Proposal being submitted. This would allow for more time to increase support for it before the voting deadline.

This proposal would force United Nations members to consider their votes more carefully before deciding whether to support or oppose a Resolution. Subsequently, confidence in the decisions of the United Nations would increase proportionately, making the body more effective and more beneficial to its members.

If you have any ideas for additional clauses to be added to the Proposal as it stands, or changes that should be made to the proposal, please feel free to reply. This is to be a resolution proposed by the region of Canada, not by any single nation.

In solidarity,
The People's Republic of Zarpiya.

hudson bay - November 1, 2005 07:07 PM (GMT)
First - nice work that you have done here. I look forward to your future contributions to the region.

Small problem though:

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We have noticed in many different places a gross lack of confidence in the United Nations, based on the fact that Resolutions passed are quite often repealed very shortly after, making the whole process seem like a joke.

I don't think that many people find the UN to be a joke simply because resolutions get repealed quickly. :P I think you will find that the rate of repeal is a symptom and not a cause of the UN's lack of credibility.

Now if something extermely bad did manage to get passed by the UN (relatively speaking of course), do you really want to be forced to wait sixty days to get it repealed. Not to mention, that anything that requires a change to the NS game mechanics has a very slim chance of being applied.

NoFunNinjas - November 2, 2005 01:31 AM (GMT)
personaly i find the UN to be a joke not only because of the constant repealing of resolutions that have just been passed but also because most of the resolutions are rather childish and of little or no importance to the world as a whole.

Zarpiya - November 3, 2005 07:36 AM (GMT)
Well,

We've seen a lot of opposition to the proposal in the polls, but very little input as to how it could be better...

Some recommendations would be greatly appreciated, please...

Kronemonsteland and co. - November 3, 2005 07:50 AM (GMT)
I say yes.It's ridiculous how they put an act, then repeal only a few days later.

mavenu - November 3, 2005 08:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (hudson bay @ Nov 1 2005, 11:07 AM)
Not to mention, that anything that requires a change to the NS game mechanics has a very slim chance of being applied.

ya, your right...

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Game Mechanics

Game Mechanics violations are attempts to change how the UN works. Generally, these are Proposals that should be threads in Technical. Anything that requires and adjustment to how the game does things, or requires a change of code falls into this category. Requiring "proper" spelling, adjusting the number of votes needed for queue, creating a universal UN currency, and forming a "secondary UN" are all examples of this. Another example of this is forbidding UN action at a future point in time -- you can't make your Resolution "Repeal-proof" or prohibit types of legislation.

Zarpiya - November 6, 2005 06:19 AM (GMT)
While I agree that the Game Mechanics rules would appear to be against this resolution, I would assert that this resolution, in a sense, slips through some of the cracks.

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Another example of this is forbidding UN action at a future point in time -- you can't make your Resolution "Repeal-proof" or prohibit types of legislation.


This resolution would only make resolutions "Repeal-proof" for a limited time, which may be shortened or lengthened depending on the will of this region before a final draft would be sent in.

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Game Mechanics violations are attempts to change how the UN works... Anything that requires and adjustment to how the game does things...


With respect to the actual mechanics of the United Nations, the repercussions of repealing a passed resolution before the "temporary immunity period" has expired could be changed from actual penalties that would be applied by the game itself and replaced by something more along the lines of role playing. Even if it did not have actual repercussions against violating nations, it could be used as a point of reference for delegates when deciding whether or not to endorse a proposal. Further, it could be cited in a debate over a potential repeal in the United Nations forums, et cetera.

Speaking of the United Nations forum, I have tried multiple times to post this resolution there so as to be edited by moderators and such. However, I've come across a snag - I'm not allowed to post. I have registered, I can log in and out and what not. But, when I try to post, it brings me to a window that says I have not been authorized or activated or some such rubbish. I have an activation number and everything, so this doesn't make sense to me.

If someone could help me with that, or even post the resolution there on my behalf, that would be fantastic. I am simply not capable.

Bamada - November 6, 2005 07:29 AM (GMT)
Make sure that you have an e-mail address for your nation in your settings. I believe when you first make a nation and you put an email address down (it's optional) you are sent an email with a link. If you click that link you may post in the forums. I dont know how to get that email besides when you first make the nation though. If you would like, I could post it on there for you and give you a link.

Zarpiya - November 6, 2005 09:02 PM (GMT)
That would be great; thank you very much ^_^. I look forward to the responses there.

Judith Gap - November 6, 2005 09:40 PM (GMT)
You might let us know the link when you do that.

Bamada - November 7, 2005 03:37 AM (GMT)

mavenu - November 7, 2005 07:07 AM (GMT)
huh...that wasn't very well received by the UN.

Carbanousa - November 7, 2005 04:30 PM (GMT)
I didn't think it would be. Game Mechanics and all...

Zarpiya - November 7, 2005 07:11 PM (GMT)
Wow. :mellow:

That didn't go over very well at all. Apparantly I set a record for Game Mechanics violations. Although, they're all pretty much the same 2 or 3 rules being broken. But still.

:eyebrow: darn UN.

Ah, well... "back to the drawing board," as they say. Unless I submit it for spite... <_<

Nah. I'll think of something better. It's just that all the resolutions are about the same boring issues all the time!

Thanks for all your help, comrades. It was invaluable to the development and eventual scrapping of this idea. As of now, the idea is scrapped.

... nuts.

Slightly crestfallen,
Yet still determined,
The People's Republic of Zarpiya.

hudson bay - November 7, 2005 07:58 PM (GMT)
Hey don't feel bad. There are plenty of things related to NS that would love to have your help. IMHO the UN is a total waste of time, you might as well -> :wall:

Here in Canada we would like to have you help out in any way you feel interested. For starters we are always looking for ambassadors. On a fairly regular basis we look to improve the constitution, give it a look over and see if you have any suggestions. Not to mention that elections will be coming up in a month, you could run for office.

mavenu - November 7, 2005 09:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Zarpiya @ Nov 7 2005, 11:11 AM)
That didn't go over very well at all. Apparantly I set a record for Game Mechanics violations. Although, they're all pretty much the same 2 or 3 rules being broken. But still.

Ah, well... "back to the drawing board," as they say. Unless I submit it for spite... <_<

you do know that they kick you out of the UN if you submit too many bad ones, right? mebbe the number is one.

^hb: echo.

Zarpiya - November 8, 2005 04:15 AM (GMT)
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you do know that they kick you out of the UN if you submit too many bad ones, right? mebbe the number is one.

I believe the number is 3, unless it's a really bad one. I didn't think this one was all too bad, more of technicalities that were pretty much the same thing: I can't change the way the game's UN works.

Anyway, with the rejection of this proposal, the moderator or whoever may feel free to delete this topic unless other people still wish to discuss it. I'll make a new topic when I think of some other controversial resolution.

:ph43r: <-- the controversy ninja strikes again!!!

Erm, right.

Thank you all once again for your input. I look forward to these elections.

In solidarity,
The People's Republic of Zarpiya.




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