I'm not going to swear in this post. Some of the descriptions I use and what I say may be semi-offensive. I got this idea from a friend of mine who watches a lot of action movies. I've never been that big of a fan of action movies, I usually watch horror movies or comedies, but I was watching one of the 'Rocky' movies the other day with him and it struck me that it was a gay movie, in fact most action movies are. I get to see Sly prancing around showing off his oiled shaved chest while hitting another sweaty, muscular, shirtless, oily man. Think about it, despite their right-wing slant they often have very homoerotic overtones and undertones. I'll list them.

10. Lock Up: It's prison movie. As Sly Stallone enters the prison we hear the other prisoners call him "White Meat". Sly Stallone also gets hosed down for delousing, if you wanted to see Stallone wet wearing tight breifs, this is the movie for you. Also Sly "befriends" a fellow prisoner who has cockroach that he has named "Rear Entry". Guess what? There's an attempted rape, not one of the prisoners attacking a female guard, but a muscular prison guard trying to get it on with Stallone. Sly grabs they guy by the testicles and says, I kid you not, "Rape this!" I have not a clue what that mean, but it sounds really macho and really gay.

9. A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Feddy's Revenge: Okay, not an action film, but in this movie a teenage boy (played by a 20 something year old) is posessed by Freddy Kruger. He goes on throughout the film saying things like, "I feel like there's something in me that wants to get out, but it's wrong" or "I hate to say it, but it feels good that Freddy's inside me". The film seems to focus way too much on the protanganist's crotch. The main character's (other than Freddy) name is Jesse. Jesse gets into a fight with another student. Does he hit him? No. Does kick him? No. Does he even pull is hair? Nope. He pulls down the other guy's pants, gets on top of his back (with the pants still pulled down) and screams "Do you like this?!". He also befriends the guy and latter on in the movie Jesse breaks into the guy's room and asks him to watch him sleep. I almost forgot to mention the homosexual leather wearing gym teacher, who Jesse mets in a leather bar, yup a S&M bar. When Jesse becomes Freddy, he strips the teacher naked, scratchs him in the back with the claws (it looks like aftermath out of something from 'Lock Up') and whips him in the ass to death with towels. It should also be noted that the actor who played Jesse turned out to be gay. There's a shocker...

8. Interview With A Vampire: Come on. Look at what Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise wear and their relationship in the movie. If gay vampires are you thing watch Tom Cruise seduce Brad Pitt.

7. Bloodsport: Nothing like Jean Claude Van Damme doing the spilts constantly. Van Damme also wears really tight cream coloured pants that I swear have a padded groin. Why did I notice this? Because the camera looks to focus on Van Damme's groin. Any movie that has this many shirtless men grappeling is gay.

6. Fright Night: What's up with vampire movies?This movie star William Ragsdale (Herman from "Herman's Head"), Amanda Bearse (Marcy D'Arcy from "Married With Children), and Roddy MacDowell (the "Planet of the Apes" series). While there is quite a lot of gay subtext like how one character is implied to be gay and the "seduction" of him by the lead vampire is quite the scence, that's not why I picked it. Because Amanda Bearse is a lesbian, one actor ended up becoming a gay porn star, and according to rumor Roddy MacDowell sucked on more men than any vampire could hope to achive.

5. Roadhouse: Well, let me start by quoting from the movie, "I used to f--- guys like you in prison." That same character afterwards mutters the line, "Your ass is mine, boy." This movie swings a little both ways, but Swayze oiled up and wrestling other men is gay in my book.

4. Rambo: Rambo is gayer than sexual intercourse between men. To start with, the movie and the protagonist are called Rambo! Ram means 'to thrust' and a bo is a thick, long shaft. Gay name. There are several porn-style, super extreme close-ups of flesh. The gayest by far is a shot that pans down Rambo's bulging, sweaty bicep to the enormous knife he is sharpening. Rambo also wrestles a huge, bulging Russian for a long time. The sight of Sly playing grab ass with some commie must have made a bunch of Republican ask some serious questions about themselves.

3. Rocky 4: Dolph Ludgreen and Sly are so waxed and oiled they look like they have finish on them.

2. Rocky 3: Have you seen the poster? It looks like Stallone is asking you to come into "Sly's House of Pleasure". There's a scence where Carl Weathers and Sly are training togather and they're jogging on a beach, soft music is playing, they're making eye contact, and smiling. I was convinced that they were going to fall down in the sand and start kissing. Once again Sly is oiled and so is his opponent.

The Gayest Movie of all time is...

1. Predator: The cover of this movie is Arnold, wet, charging with a M-60 machinegun at crotch level like a mighty phallus. And look a the Predator's mouth! It looks like a vagina with tusks! That should be a major selling point, the Governer of California and the Governer of Minnestoda verus a vagina with tusks. A bunch of sweaty half-naked men do their thing in the jungle. There's a scene where Jesse Ventura is trying to get his compatriots to chew tobacco. When they refuse he bellows, "Bunch of slack-jawed faggots around here! This stuff will make you a goddamned sexual Tyrannosaurus, just like me!" Notice, he called them faggots first and then wanted to increase their sexual prowess.

Personally, I think you're reading WAY too much into these movies (though your entitled to believe whatever you want).

I find this to be reminiscent of very religous types a few decades ago who would "find" satanic messages in virtually every rock song on the radio, and then "unscrambled" the acronyms of popular rock bands to prove that they worshipped the devil (AC/DC was "Anti Christ / Devils Child", KISS was "Knights in Satans Service", Rush was "Ruled Under Satan's Hand" etc.).

As Sigmund Freud once said, "Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar".

For someone who claimed that we all want to have sex with our parents and claimed sexual motives for almost everything we do, that seems like an odd thing to say. Maybe because ol' Sigmund smoked cigars. Perhaps smoking cigars sorta resembles putting a large black phallus in your mouth, but what do I know?

It's the "sometimes" that is the key part of that quote...

:lol: That was so funny. I think they're still at it now in some remote parts of Texas...

*yoink*

Exactly.

Harley is perceptive. When Freud made the "Cigar is just a cigar" comment, it was in response to a student at his lecture, who suggested his habit of smoking cigars was a subconcious sign of homosexual tendencies.

As William Jefferson Clinton once said: "Here Monica, have a cigar."

:ph43r:

Reminds me of this quote:

A conservative is one who is at once mortally afraid of the liberating power of sex and is, at the same time, secretly obsessed with sex -- the more perverse the better. And totally and completely unconscious of what's going on in their head.

quotes mine

That one word sums up my entire thought process about the original post in this thread.

I'm not a conservative. I'm a liberal with libertarian leanings. I just wrote the post pointing out the vast amounts of gayness in the movies. The reason why included the movies I did is because most of the movies have the right-wing "We're tough 'n macho men" slant, that were so very gay.

Machoism, misogyny, and homophobia are often followed up by homoerotic behaviour. Look at 50 Cent, I like quite a bit of his music, but look at his lyrics then look at his pictures. 50 also likes showing off his body. Every photo of him I've seen he's ethier shirtless, flexing, or wearing something that shows off his muscles.

I do agree that much of the time a cigar is just a cigar, but I'm talking about circumstances when they're not. For example a gun is a tool, but a lot of gun owners, mostly male gun owners have a real fixation with their weapon/s. They name it, brag about how big it is, how powerful it is, and often brag about the size. Listen to the slang they use to talk about their guns, "This will blow a man to heaven" and "I love the feeling when I cock my piece" and "I always come home with sore wrists after I go to the firing range". In Indian films and (many American movies prior to the MPAA) sex is often implied (ethier consciencely or unconsciencely) by dancing. Sex on screen in Indian (and early Hollywood) films is considered taboo, so they use dancing. In the USA gay sex is taboo on film, so it's shown by fighting. I'm not talking about regular fighting, I'm talking about two shirtless, sweaty, oiled, built men wrestling for long time.

Not all action movies and movies with similar scenes are gay. Examples most Bronson films have no homoerotic content, Chuck Norris films have very little gay subtext, 'Red Dawn' despite overtly right-wing themes is not that gay, and 'Fight Club' (although there's some gay undertones) the fight scenes are pretty real looking, the fights are relatively short and brutal.

Don't you think it's weird that all woman in action films are ethier whores or loving wives? And if they have sex or show their breasts at all, they often meet violent deaths?

Don't you think that in films where they speak derisivly about 'fags' and feminine behaviour that all the men seem to have shaved or waxed chests, something else is going on in the characters minds?

Isn't it a little odd that the big fight scenes often end up with two men fighting for an impossibly long time and grabbing each other a little too much?

Read other reviews of 'Fright Night', 'A Nightmare On Elm Street', 'Predator', and 'Rocky 3'. I'm not alone in my pointing out the repant gayness of these flicks.

Well, he could be showing off for the ladies.

I don't understand why you see this thing as an issue. So it's possible that there are some overtones--if you're libertarian-ish, what's the big deal?

This could just as likelyl be because he's a heterosexual male with a good body who wants to show it off to his female fans...

My dad used to run a gun club. I was surrounded by gun owners. Not one of them named their gun. If anyone spoke of size, it was in the terms of caliber of bullet, and whether the caliber would be effective in bringing down a moose or bear (most of the club members were hunters).

While I'm not a fan of the gun lobby, and am one of the few Canadians who fully supports the gun registry, I don't support mindless stereotyping such as this.

When I see an action movie, I see a plot and some action. I do not notice that all the women are "wives and whores", I do not notice that all men have waxed chests, and if I notice that a fight scene is long, I assume its likely because it is the key "showdown" that you find at the end of most action films. One would not expect the main scene to be a one punch knockout...

I also like using "gay" as a pejorative!

...I wanted to join in! ^_^

That wasn't my point in posting that quote... -_-

I'm not sure what side to take, so I'll take none... I'll merely point out that I read the original post as an intention to state there are flaws in a right-wing bias against homosexuality, when the flicks produced and viewed by conservatives are viewed by the opposing parties as homosexual...

Or maybe that's just how I'd mean it if it were my post, I'm not sure which.

If showing the hypocrasy of certain right wingers was the intention, then there are better way to illustrate that point then to make questionable judgments and inferences from movies, which are works of fiction.

For instance, showing actual examples of such hypocrasy would be more compelling. Like this recent example, for instance.

And for all that he recieved ONLY 9 years in prison? Isn't it reassuring to know he will still be young enough to do it again when he gets out. Turns my stomach! :angry:

This topic wasn't ment to be taken seriously. Just making fun of the movies in question. The point wasn't to point out gay characters (I could gave named quite a few movies), the point was to laugh at the gay actions of "straight" characters. I have no problem with gay people and I find most homophobic people to have gay impluses themselves.

Granted, the 50 Cent thing was a bit of a strech, but how do explain something like 'Rambo"? I've never met a chick who like 'Rambo'. It's a movie aimed at men, but how come Sly is shirtless through the entire movie? Explain that to me. 'Commando' is another movie (one that probably should have taken the place of 'Interview with a Vampire' since in the book the main characters are gay) the villian wears a fishnet tank top, fingerless leather gloves, leather pants, a dog tag choker, and has a push broom moustache. Who wears that? Guys who dance around to George Michael's 'Faith'.

I was just joking around pointing out that action movies are aimed at men, but how come all the dudes end up semi-naked? Thats all. I had no intention of engauging in a serious debate. Just to (no pun intended) poke fun of the movies.