Greetings fellow nations of Canada.

I have recently browsed through past UN resolutions, and have stumbled accross a resolution on the legalization of the sex trade. The resolution gave individuals a right to sell themselves for sex, and asked governments to accept the fact that the spreading rate of STDs will rise. I feel that this is inappropriate because the more young people we nations allow in the sex trade, the less new, fresh minds will be available to occupy more useful, and even critically necessary, positions. The sex trade is unecessary and profane, and I believe that the spread of STDs is not something that I am willing to accept. If we have the power to avoid the spread of disease within society, why allow it to happen because we felt that it was necessary to legalize a useless, profane trade that is doing no good for society? And plus, sexuality is a biological process, and it should not be exploited by commerce. And, according to the resolution, sexuality was supposed to be deemed as a private issue. Allowing the sex trade is basically allowing sexuality to become public. Therefore, the resolution is contradicting itself.

I wish to pledge the repeal of this resolution, and am looking for endorsements.

The Community of Alimland

You will get no support from me.

Not for nothing is prostitution termed 'the oldest profession'. It has existed throughout history, and will doubtless do so for the forseeable future.

By criminalising this, you force it underground. You render the women lible to exploitation by professional criminals, and make it harder for them to present themselves for health scrrening. If anything, it is criminalisation which is more likely to increas the spread of STDs.

Please leave well enough alone.

I would support you, however, my UN nation is not in Canada.

Absolutely. Decriminalisation / statutory monitoring of 'human trade' ensures protection and services - health and otherwise, to be provided. A more prudent course of action would be to create guidelines or modify those already in palce for either the enforcement of, or provision services provided by such a Resolution.

I agree with Al that the repeal of a such as this resolution such as this, would do more harm than good.

Roger that. I just had an issue in regards to prostitution and it is still legal in Rivotril.
Why make criminals out of willing parties?

Not legalizing won't remove the sex trade. Even in places where the sex trade is illegal, our police departments find it taxing to wage a costly battle against the oldest profession.

The sex trade also isn't the only game in town for STD transfer. There are many people how spread sexual diseases free of charge through high-risk sexual behaviour.

I feel that a legalized sex industry opens up the possibility of regulation and improved health of the workers. With the governmental resources that goes into fighting prostitution, we could be scheduling a program of free clinic visits and certification, ensuring that STD spread is limited.

By legalizing, we will be partially be removing criminal elements from the scene (organized crime, people smuggling in immigrants to work in the sex trade, and just plain ol' vanilla pimps). We will be able to ensure the safety and well being of the women and men of the industry, while at the same time reducing cash flow to criminal elements.

Furthermore, I think that if prostitutes are not longer outlawed, I think that they could help the police track sex offenders. If prostitutes are no longer afraid of the police, they could report dangerous and disturbing sexual behaviours to the authorities, and this could also benefit the community.

I think that the sex trade should be legal. Again, I will close with a former comedian's (he's not really funny anymore) words on the subject: Why should it be illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to give away?

Specific points:

Eating is a biological process, but I don't think that you would argue against restaurants. Why shouldn't we exploit biological processes?

If it is unnecessary to you, then you don't have to engage in it. Society engages in a lot of unnecessary activities (TV, movies, most of the clothing that people wear...). Necessity shouldn't be a criterion for legality.

And as for "profane": that smacks of a religious judgment that I am unwilling to accept/base laws on.

It's still a private issue. You personally can not choose whether you want to avail yourself of these services if it is legal. If it is illegal, the government makes your choice for you. If it is illegal, it's not a private issue, because the State has overridden your personal volition on the matter. It doesn't seem to be a contradiction to me.

No support from me, either.

I believe legalization is a good thing, for all the reasons people above have mentioned, plus what Daemon said in his replies in Citizen's Voice.

Previous debate: here

I'll probably be busy with chores or whatever tonight, but if not, I'll try to write coherent argument against this.

Good luck KD, you're going to need it to come up with a good arguement. So far, all the evidence I've seen is against criminalization.

No support from me either!

Check Daemons link Tigger, we've had a lengthy debate on the subject. I don't know if you'll find much support here.

Thumbs up to legalization!!

I'm doing some research into cases where prostitution was either made legal or attempted to be made legal. I'm specifically looking for statistics which will show various effects of such legalization. I should have a mini-summary of the research for y'all on Friday.

*edit* My research is going to be a bit skewed. There are some sources I'm not going to ask ILL to get for me, even though I think those might be particularly relevant.

There should be lots about - good luck!

Yes, except for religious "morals" claims, I've yet to see good arguments against making it legal and regulated.

I don't accept "religious morals" as a good argument against.


< is wondering about JG's research methods. :eyebrow:

:P

LIBRARY Research. No, I'm not doing any primary research. :P

I guess we'll just have to take your word for that, huh?! :lol: :D

Reasons not to legalize and regulate prostitution.

1. The loss of organized crime revenues would result in a major loss of kickbacks to local poiticians.

2. The reduction in cases of STD's would badly affect revenues in the medical profession.

3. Reduction in the number of police required in a given local could cause an increase in the unemployment figures.

4. Organized religion.


Is that enough for now?

Jack makes a good argument. Down with Legalization!!

I'm still working on claims 1,2, & 4, but I feel comfortable in saying that #3 is not true. In fact, crime (violence, assault, rape) statistics have gone up in red-light districts in nations that have either decriminalised or legalised prostitution. The need for policing has shifted from non-violent to violent crimes. Most of the figures come from articles published about the Netherlands and a few are about isolated brothels in Nevada.

Also, organized religion is not the source of all evil. Not everything that organized religion says is wrong or bad.

For example, organized religion believes that we are to obey the government authorities. I don't think that most of you would say that's wrong or bad.

Organized religion also believes that it is wrong to murder people. I'm sure everyone on here agrees that murder is horribly wrong.

I'm not sure that anyone is claiming that religion is universally wrong. All I say is that all religions that I know are wrong enough, for me, that I don't feel comfortable using them as guides for my behaviour.

And I don't think that we should always obey government authorities.

I also think that "murder" is already a judgment. I don't think that killing another man is always wrong.

Even if, for example, a government were to order you to help in the extermination of a group or race of people?

Interesting that your information contradicts what I learned in university and that I haven't been able to find any corroberating information on the internet.

All information I found showed reduced crime where prostituion was legal. Especially if the health aspects of the business were well regulated.

I forgot to push the "dripping with sarcasm" button on the my last post. I took Jacks as the same.

Good to see ya Defec

BT, you are correct. This is why I should never post anything about research unless I have my notes in front of me.

In an issue of New Statesman, one reporter, Sissons, relates a blind quote from a town hall official who said, "If an industry is unregulated and criminalised then it's going to be run by criminals." Sissions reports that "Indeed drugs crime and gangsterism associated with the sex industry had rendered some areas of Amsterdam no-go zones."

The Encyclopedia of Crime and Justice reports that proponents of legalisation frequently argue that legalisation will lead to a suppression of crime (1371-73). Areas likely to be improved by legalisation are a reduction in organized crime connected to prostitution, a reduction in drug trading, a reduction of violence (pimp-related), a reduction in black markets connected to sex industries, and a reduction in police corruption (no more bribes).

I would like to be able to locate stastistics for a country that has recently changed from prohibition to legalisation so that I could look at crime stats before and after.

The seems to be at least one more option on this matter that is, so far, not represented in this thread:

IMHO the NS version of the UN is a bloody waste of time.

There, that's better ;)

I do not recall stating or implying this at all. I happen to believe that organized religions do many wonderful things.

I do not however agree that their stand on prostitution is one of those things.

Here I must disagree also. My personal belief is that all or at least all repeat offender violent criminals (once convicted with irrefutable evidence such as DNA) should be composted.

Oh, it was dripping all right. :lol:

And the one in RL isn't much if any better. :(

Brings to mind a quote from "The Simpsons" (hey, everything can be tied in with the Simpsons!):

"Order, order! Do you kids [in the Model U.N.] wanna be like the real U.N., or do you just wanna squabble and waste time?" --Principal Skinner

Neither do I, that's why it's in quotes.

I guess I misunderstood, but you say " except for religious "morals" claims, I've yet to see good arguments against making it legal and regulated."
I assumed you were saying that religious moral claims were a good reason.

< is confuzzled. :wacko:

Why don't you just stick to what you are skilled at such as kicking my poor butttt all over yahoo.com :P

:huh:

Ok!

:D

"Go Banana!!"

C'mon people, stay on topic.

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It's a rare thread that does stay on topic.

Casual, Mr. B, casual! :D

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On...topic?

What's on topic mean?

Okay, seriously, I wouldn't endorse this repeal for the same reasons--I'd find legalization and regulation to be helpful in limiting some of the seedier aspects of the industry. As George Carlin said, sex is legal, selling stuff is legal, so selling sex should be legal (and it's not like the world is in dire straits due to folks being able to go to strip clubs, buy porn, etc--selling your body isn't much different)

When I say "people" I mean "me".
When I say "on topic" I mean "Mr. B, enough already with the obscure Simpsons/Python references. You know how you get carried away."

Forgot that sarcasm button again. I need to develop a forum-friendly sense of humour.

You are doing just fine Mr. B.

<---Anyway, what's the point of having this warning system if we aren't going to use it one in a while :D