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Carbanousa - May 17, 2005 07:04 PM (GMT)
The results for the poll: Does Canada need a military presence, showed a definite need for some kind of presence. One way to not only provide this, but also make this more active would be to merge the existing CIA and Dogs of War Alliance. It would mean that all CIA members would require a UN Nation although the option to participate in Dogs of War activities are purely voluntary, perhaps.

If there is a resounding 'no' for such a merge then the two Agencies will remain the same. If on the other hand it is thought to be a worthwhile activity, any thoughts would be appreciated.

hudson bay - May 17, 2005 07:53 PM (GMT)
As it currently stands - what is the exact difference between the CIA and the DoW? Please provide some history on why they were initially set up as two different organizations. Thanks...

Carbanousa - May 17, 2005 08:43 PM (GMT)
No problem:

The Dogs of War Alliance

This dates back to the days of the CSIS (Canadian Secret Intellience Service) under The Mighty Mof, I believe. Although CSIS soon became inactive, The Dogs of War Alliance under the guidance of The True Domination. I believe the Deleagte at the time was Las Chups. Needless to say that The Dogs of War has been around a long time.

This intial purpose, as drafted by The True Domination was:

1) Defend Canada from invasion.

2) Fan the flames of democracy throughout Nation States by bringing the fight, both overtly, and covertly, to regions controlled by dictatorial regimes, and deposing those who rule by fear and intimidation.


Over time, and growth of the Region it became apparent that maybe something larger was required. At this time the CIA was being discussed and it was thought an extension to The Dogs of War mandate was necessary. It was expanded to include:

1) Defend Canada from invasion.

2) Fan the flames of democracy throughout Nation States by bringing the fight, both overtly, and covertly, to regions controlled by dictatorial regimes, and deposing those who rule by fear and intimidation.

Overview

Both the Dogs of War Alliance and Canadian Intelligence Agency are subsidiary organisations of the Defense Ministry and, as a direct result, shall both be accountable to the Minister of Defence or Deputy in case of absense.

The primary aim, although not exclusively, of the Dogs of War will be to Defend Canada's Regional borders from invasion but also stand ready to act upon unequivocal evidence from the Canadian Intelligence Agency that a regime, action, or proposed action is in direct contradiction of the term 'democracy'.
This statement will hold true to both existing allies of Canada and independent Regions/Nations. If an alliance is forged through this process, it can only strengthen Canada's international reputation and standing within the world.

All activities shall be entered into with an agreement of Cabinet, and shall take every precaution to ensure the security of the Region.

The Dogs of War will employ a mixture of both convert intelligence gathering and show of martial prowess, being more flexible to the latter unlike the Intelligence Agency.

If the Intelligence Agency uncovers information that could either jeopardise Canada, Canada's allies, or third party, the Dogs of War Alliance are to work in conjunction with the Intelligence Agency to resolve the dispute as quickly and peacefully as possible. This is to be achieved by employing Diplomatic means in preference of open conflict. In this instance, members of both the Dogs of War and Intelligence Agency shall be in frequent contact with the Minister of Defence and, if necessary, Minister of Foreign Affairs for periodic reports, changes to briefing parameters, and proposed course(s) of action.

Additional Information

It is the responsibility of the Minister of Defence to communicate with all field agents through secure means in case of communication leaks. This also enables Cabinet to be frequently updated on developments before orders are transmitted to the field for further action to be taken.

Members of The Dogs of War Alliance are to be in good standing within the Region of Canada and will, at all times, conduct themselves intelligently and sympathetically to other Nations and Regions.

Pre-requisits

It is a requirement to be a member of the United Nations for the purpose of democratic operations outside of the Region. It may be necessary to transfer your UN membership from your main Nation whilst undertaking missions for The Dogs of War Alliance. Notification of this will be given in adequate time.

You will also be expected to have a minimum of four puppet Nations that are available for use within the Dogs of War Alliance.

If you are interested in joining The Dogs of War Alliance, please post your application is the relevant thread where it will be considered. You will be contacted by PM with the additional details should you application be successful.


The main item on the agenda is UN membership, and weighting toward active involvement in Regional disputes. This, as always is voluntary, and Nations are free to do as they please as long as the security of the Region is not jeopardised. The CIA overview will explain this in more detail.

The Canadian Intelligence Agency

Hoped to be the revivial of the CSIS (with a more jovia name if nothing else) was created in order to:

The CIA will be the organisation responsible for gathering of Foreign Intelligence, both Civilian and Military, for application in the Defence of Canada.

Prerequsite One
You will be required to obey Canadian law at all times, and be of good standing within the Region of Canada.

Justifications
It will not be necessary to move your main Nation to the target Region, but any puppet Nations that are used as tools for the collection of Intelligence shall, at all times, adhere to the Canadian constitution as well as any local Regional laws that are in place. In the event of contradtiction, the Nation shall follow the Canadian constitution. If this is percieved to put the concerned Nation in clear and present danger, then it shall be recalled from active duty and reassigned. Good standing is paramount in preserving Canada's reputation, and as an example/role model to other Nations or Regions in the furtherment of Democracy.

Prerequisite Two
You will have at least two puppet Nations that can be used for these purposes. This will enable to a degree, anonimity, and sanctuary. In certain situations, it may be necessary to have multiple Operatives working within the same Region to ensure continuity of gathered Intelligence.
Relocation will only be a short term measure until enough Nations allow satisfactory placing within 'special' Regions.

Specific Duties
1. It will not be necessary to move your main Nation to the target Region, but any puppet Nations that are used as tools for the collection of Intelligence shall, at all times, adhere to the laws of the Region in which you are resident. If local Regional laws contradict specific mission briefs or duties to the Region of Canada, the Operative is too contact the Minster of Defence for further direction. If this is percieved to put the concerned Nation in clear and present danger, then it shall be recalled from active duty and reassigned. Good standing is paramount in preserving Canada's reputation, and as an example/role model to other Nations or Regions in the furtherment of Democracy.

2. Intelligence of a Diplomatic nature will be passed immediately on to the Minister of Foriegn Affairs, although copies will be retained for Defence purposes.

3. Operations will focus primarily on known, current agressors or enemies of Canada. Active attempts will be made to map connections, allies, patterns, or strategies, in conjunction with formulating Regional Defence.

4. For matters when Canada is acting as a mediator or neutral ground, attending parties are allowed only to be accompanied by Diplomatic aids. Security for the duration of the negotitations shall be provided for by the Canadian Minister of Defence. This clause is non-negotiable to ensure Canada's neutrality and prevent the concession of advantage whether intended or not.

5. In connection to number 4., the Minister of Defence, or Deputy Minister of Defence is allowed to request brief resumés from all attending Diplomats for analysis of possible threats, siezes, or other acts of aggression against Canada.

6. In the event of 5. being the truth, relevant information shall be passed on to the Minister of Foriegn Affairs and the Diplomat be escourted to the nearest Embassy. If no Embassy is available, the Diplomat will be given a twenty-four hour period in which to leave the Region or face arrest. Chrages will include, although not exclusively include: Conspiracy, Political Fraud/Deception, or Breach of Treaty.

Addendum

1. For additional security, it will now be a requirement for you Nation to be a UN member. If you do not wish your Nation to be a UN member, then any Nations you have that are UN members will need to be accounted for.

2. It will also be necessary, among others, to undertake an IP trace. This will enable the CIA directors to prevent double agents or internal security breaches resulting in an intelligence leak.


The idea was to present a sleek Agency using diplomacy, etiqutte, and guile to acquire information, without concern about Endorsement conflict, as they are not currently required to be UN. However, as there can be long periods where The Dogs of War are inactive, or on a low alert, it would be possible to better employ Dogs of War members as CIA Operatives making msot use of perso-power. It also increases the likelyhood of uncovering useful or potentially valuable information.

Does that help?

Daemon - May 17, 2005 08:46 PM (GMT)
Sorry, what was the ration for going form CSIS (Canadian) to the CIA (American)?

Carbanousa - May 17, 2005 08:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Daemon @ May 17 2005, 08:46 PM)
Sorry, what was the ration for going form CSIS (Canadian) to the CIA (American)?

Like a said: a more jovial name. There was no American reference intended, the an acronym fitted the Agency's purpose. I think that reading a little too far.

hudson bay - May 17, 2005 08:51 PM (GMT)
That's as clear as mud! It would be nice if the DoW had a document like the CIA that spelled out their specific duties.

What I understand from this is that they both gather intelligence but only the DoW acts on this inteligence - correct?


Carbanousa - May 17, 2005 08:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (hudson bay @ May 17 2005, 08:51 PM)
That's as clear as mud! It would be nice if the DoW had a document like the CIA that spelled out their specific duties.

It's very hard when the purpose is as concise as The Dogs of War to alter it or expand concepts because it is a linear Agency with regard to it's duties. Should such a merger occur, it will be possible to expand upon the two including a final combination of the two description.

QUOTE (hudson bay @ May 17 2005, 08:51 PM)
What I understand from this is that they both gather intelligence but only the DoW acts on this inteligence - correct?

Yes, The Dogs of War are more geared toward action.

Even though UN membership is currently preferred for the CIA, it is not a requirement as in The Dogs of War. Making it mandatory would be a critical step in providing a balanced, multi-approach Defence Force.

hudson bay - May 17, 2005 09:08 PM (GMT)
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It's very hard when the purpose is as concise as The Dogs of War to alter it or expand concepts because it is a linear Agency with regard to it's duties. Should such a merger occur, it will be possible to expand upon the two including a final combination of the two description.


I'm at a loss to understand how a purpose can be concise.

The information that you have provided indicates that the DoW is a defender group for our region and an invader group opposing dictatorial regions. Is that a fair summerization?

I know what linear means and I know what an agency is. I do not understand what you mean by a "linear agency".

Have you considered removing the intelligence gathering function from the DoW and making it the sole responsibility of the CIA? If so, what is the advantage of a merger instead?

Carbanousa - May 17, 2005 09:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (hudson bay @ May 17 2005, 09:08 PM)
I'm at a loss to understand how a purpose can be concise.

Perhaps role or definition would have been a better choice of words.

QUOTE (hudson bay @ May 17 2005, 09:08 PM)
The information that you have provided indicates that the DoW is a defender group for our region and an invader group opposing dictatorial regions. Is that a fair summerization?

Yes. It's original concept has remained static over time.

Carbanousa - May 17, 2005 09:31 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (hudson bay @ May 17 2005, 09:08 PM)
Have you considered removing the intelligence gathering function from the DoW and making it the sole responsibility of the CIA? If so, what is the advantage of a merger instead?

It could certainly go that way, but I'm thinking at more of a particpatory level. Sometimes it can become boring waiting for an incident. By seeking out intelligence that befits The Dogs of War purpose, it can acted upon in the field and communicated similtaneously allowing for a minimum interrption exercise, with additional briefings as necessary.

Admittedly, this would be a major change for Canadian policy of remaining neutral. On the other hand, it could not only open new avenues, but also mark Canada as one of the forerunners in the furtherment of democracy.

hudson bay - May 17, 2005 09:48 PM (GMT)
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Admittedly, this would be a major change for Canadian policy of remaining neutral.

Ahhh british understatement.... ^_^

Carbanousa - May 17, 2005 10:41 PM (GMT)
:huh: Understatement? Change. Major. They were all in there... ;) :P




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