Recently the new delegate in Alberta, IM ejected several nations from the region. Most notably, the former delegate who was ejected shortly before the system update at which he would have regained the delegacy.

The ejected nations (and a few others upset with this turn of events) are currently regrouping in a new region "Alberta Refugees"

Wow - similar to the Vancouver experience... should we send someone out on a scouting mission, or survey this from afar?

As a courtesy, our diplomats should inform their diplomatic contacts of this situation as part of a friendly intelligence exchange.

I'll let the Urbanites know of this, Micon should tell the NP and Boardz should tell the SP.

Speak of the Devil: I got this telegram from IM, the new delegate of Alberta.

Bweezystan,
Hello from the Provincial Region of Alberta. I recently was voted in as the UN Delegate for Alberta and I wished to make a contact with Canada as I believe we can work together on some common interests.
If you share my point of view and wish to work with one of the Provinces, please telegram me at your convenience.

My reply was the following:

I don't take kindly to those who allegedly seize control of a region, and then eject the competition in an affront to democracy. What do you have to say about these allegations?

I will not cooperate with a dictator at this time, or at least until we have a Foreign Affairs Minister...

Next response from IM, Delegate to Alberta:

I appreciate your quick and frank response.

Unfortunately after I rightfully won the election in the Alberta Region, the then ruler denied me of the UN Delegate Position (he actually ejected me at the time - I was however allowed to return after sometime).

Fortunately upon my return, the citizens of Alberta rightfully provided me with the endorsements required to legally take control. However, my assumption of power has not been smooth to say the least. The past leader and his cronies have fought me tooth and nail, calling upon Allies, and Evil Doers determined to steal back the UN Delegate position.

Which brings me to present, and to your doorstep. The Region of Alberta is a small region. We have roughly 20 citizens at any time. Obviously this can make us ripe for a takeover or Region Crash. I am actively seeking Allies and believes of what is right and true to support our cause to keep Alberta peaceful.

I hope your Region, and your Nation will support Alberta in these trouble times.

I responded as follows:

My government will discuss your situation further, and take the appropriate measures.

What do we do now? Sounds to me like both sides in this mess are at fault. My gut reaction is to keep tabs on the situation, but do nothing.

I would agree. It is difficult to decide who's side to take if you haven't been following the whole situation. Based on your TGs you could support both sides.

Best to observe an see what happens.

I suggest staying back until it starts to get real messy.

Both sides seem to have an argument and we don't want to end up on the wrong side of things.

-Dunefish

My responce would be to not "take sides" but help them to but process in place to make the transitions smooth and to avoid region crashing in the future. Now if we had connections in place and fully knew the details of what happened then things "might" be different.

Sounds good guys, I'll TG him and say we'll offer to help mediate a dispute, but that both of them have behaved wrongly, and leave it at that.

(P.S. can't wait until I have a foreign affairs Minister who can handle this stuff ;)

Based on suggestions, I gave IM (Alberta delegate) this TG:

After discussion with trusted members of my region, we have decided on the following:

We are of the view that both sides in this conflict have used less than honourable means to gain power. We will therefore not take sides.

We will offer mediation services between Alberta and Alberta Refugees, so that all sides in this conflict will be able to live in Alberta, under democratic rule.

Hello,
I've been looking at joining your region here. I am one of the wrongly ejected regions from Alberta.
I'll brief you good fellows on the entirety of the situation.

The region was ruled rather peacefully for quite some time by Stalins Soviet Russia. Under his tenure, it was agreed there would be a democratic election every 3 months. In the last week or two, that election was taking place. During the election process, IM got endorsements, seized power, ejected all his opposition, and cancelled the election.

He'll tell you different. Not his side of the story, but a completely warped perspective of it.

After IM had seized power, he held a vote regarding puppet nations. Explaining to him that he had not won the election, I closed his voting topic.
This didn't sit well with IM, he said to me this...

"Decent and ill will will no longer be tolerated within Alberta.

Place your support with the Republic of IM and your nation will be rewarded.

Continue to speak up and out against the new Regime and your nation will be punished.

Cabinet positions have yet to be filled. Your support will earn you a powerful position within the new Regime. Anyone in disagreement will be shown the door."

After this little display, I decided to exercise the practice of pre-election debate. I pointed out to the other regions the "power daze" IM was in, he did not win the election. After this, I was ejected.
Many other nations within Alberta opposed my ejection. They too, were ejected by IM.

At no time did the Alberta Refugees have any solid plan of retaliation, we just wanted back in the region.

I please request that you reconsider your decision to mediate. IM has violated our democracy enough. This dicator needs ot be "ousted".

Thank you for your time,
The United Socialist States of Bauschardt

Clearly, a democratic electoral process must take place in Alberta.

This means that all nations in Alberta Refugees must be allowed to return to Alberta, a democratic regime must be put into place, and a fair election of the delegate and Cabinet (or whatever off-site gov't structure was in place at the time of the civil war) must take place. I will speak with IM again as a go-between, and see where that takes us. Thank you for your side of the story.

Thank you for your appreciation on the matter.

I sent IM a message. I let him know the other side of the story, as it was told to us, and concluded with the following:

Given the foregoing, and given that both sides seem to have violated their own democratic laws, here is what I suggest you do at once.

1. Remove all ejected nations from your banned list;

2. TG each unbanned nation that they are welcome in Alberta;

3. Call a special election, based on the existing constitution/rules at the time of your coup, to elect a legitimate government. The Delegate will be elected via the normal NS mechanisms, unless your constitution stated otherwise.

There will be no more mass ejections, and no more subversion of democracy. I demand you do this at once, so that this fiasco can be settled once and for all.

If you choose not to cooperate without valid reason, other alternatives will have to be looked at.

We'll see what the response is.

I have a couple of things for you:

1) Alberta has no founder thus the new region they have formed is much more secure that Alberta ever will be.

2) IM has assigned a region password. (and changed it several times). By NS rules the natives must be given the password immediately in a proactive method. I believe that IM is in vilolation of NS rules and if the Alberta natives informed the Mods IM could be ejected from NS.

I think trying to regain control of Alberta is a waste of time. It will always be subject to possible griefing. What would be useful is helping them to establish a new region.

Sounds good hb. Perhaps USSB will take your advice, and simply talk to the mods about it. That may be the easiest way to take care of this.

I sent USSB a TG outlining those points. I'll let you know what they have to say if anything...

good job, hb.

IM, the current delegate of Alberta, told me to go to hell, and demands an apology from Canada for suggesting that a fair election take place in Alberta, allowing all sides to run fairly, free from fear of ejections.

My response was as follows:

YOu came to us for help in brokering peace. We gave you the solution. You don't like it, because you fear democracy. If you truly were a democrat, you would invite a Canadian envoy into the region, allow all nations back into Alberta, and simply hold an election. What can be more democratic and fair than that?

If you didn't want our advice, you shouldn't have come seeking it. You will get no apology from Canada for believing in pragmatic democratic solutions.

When you wish to hold free and democratic elections, and would like some pointers on being truly democratic, feel free to contact us. Until then, you'll get no assistance, aid or sympathy from this region.

That is much more eloquent than my response would have been to "pound salt"

Micon - that is funny... :lol:

Actually "you'll get no assistance, aid or sympathy from this region" IS the diplomact version of "go to hell".

I also found it very odd that USSB posted on our forum but has absolutely nothing to say about my suggestion of how to handle the problem...

Obviously they are looking for the easy way out. Try toget some other region to feel sorry for them and solve their problems.

micon

I choose not to respond to every TG or forum post I see or receive. That's just like me in life, quiet.
HB, I've gone to the mods with the methods you suggested, no response yet...

It all sounds a bit tense over there.

I wish all Albertan nations a quick resolution to the problem.

Bweezy, yet again, you are doing an excellent job of handling these diplomatic situations. Keep it up man!

Crazy things are happening in Alberta.

IM is no longer the delegate:

3 hours ago: The Colony of The pissed replaced The Republic of IM as UN Delegate.
6 hours ago: The United States of FCUKER ceased to exist.
6 hours ago: The Kingdom of MaddCow was ejected from the UN for rule violations.
6 hours ago: The Republic of IM was ejected from the UN for rule violations.
9 hours ago: The Republic of IM changed the regional password.
11 hours ago: The Rogue Nation of Computer Gods departed this region for Ageispolis
12 hours ago: The Republic of Alberta2 departed this region for The Pacific
23 hours ago: The Republic of IM changed the regional password.

IM broke some rule (not sure which) causing his ejection from the UN along with another nation, one nation was deleted for having an offensive name, and, in the most disturbing part of it all, the Republic of Alberta2 departed Alberta for the Pacific, known bastion of fascists. That could be a coincidence, I guess, but it always gets my ears up when I see that.

In any event, Chaos reigns in Alberta.

Worrying.....

This was posted on the Alberta Region page. Is there any truth to this?

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Even though I am still currently a non cabinet minister and hope to be soon, I warn Alberta that the WUF - World Unification Front is a huge organization targetting regions without founders. We are in grave danger and we must unite and find allies before NationStates and Alberta is taken over by WUF.

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The WUF consists of a single nation. They are not a threat.

w00t! I lost confidence in the mods after such a long period without any response or action to my requested moderations (thanks Hudson's Bay!), I'm glad to see the system works.

Weekend Warriors sent this plea on our NS site:

I come to you peaceful people as a representitive of the region of Alberta. We are in dire need of help. The Sammeerian Commenwealth has invaded, lead by our old dictator, IM and his puppets. All those who wish to help, please move to Alberta and endorse the Pissed. The password is Ralph. Thank you for your help.

DO NOT GO TO ALBERTA! Both sides in this are using forces from other regions to bolster themselves (Islas Norte and Sameerean Commonwealth). This is an ugly situation. We should stay out of it and not take sides. While IM and I do not get along, neither side in this dispute is worhty of support at this time.

I'm, sending a puppet there to broker peace on my own. Wish me luck.

Thanks for your continued concern. We had to retaliate the initial Sameerean invasion with our own to keep the region, it was the only way. -_-

I'm back from my mission. There is some resolve from the parties to work this out themselves. Alberta is total mess right now - occupying forces from four different regions. Oddly, because they couldn't settle this themselves, Alberta is controlled by everyone but the Albertans.

I've offered our assistance in negotiating a long lasting peace. I've suggested that they find a neutral nation to install as Delegate for the time being, fix their constitution (which I think is part of the problem here), and start over. We'll see if that happens.

Good to be home in boring old Canada :)

I am the person who posted about the WUF. The WUF is not a region like bweezy mentions and I warn Canada of the WUF. They are a collective of a bunch of regions uniting together to take over regions without founders. Their list includes the five pacifics and the RR. I believe that Canada needs to know this.

As for Alberta, I've watched the entire thing from start to finish and here's what happened.

Stalins Soviet Russia holds an election for UN Delegate position.

Somehow through UN endorsements IM becomes UN Delegate without going through Alberta's election process and ejects a few members out as a warning to others who oppose.

Some members of Alberta leave for Alberta Refugees and start a plan against IM.

IM though, shows that he is a very diligent UN Delegate and establishes order and a cabinet. Zartacla, my puppet nation, almost got Minister of Interior or whatever he called it.

IM after a few days is ejected from the UN along with another member by moderators. Reason unknown. The current UN delegate right now in Alberta takes over. IM is outraged and believes this is "an invasion"

IM2, puppet nation of IM, calls to Sameerean Commonwealth for help. IM broke ties with the Sameerean Commonwealth after he became UN delegate.

Sameerean Commonwealth pours in and I am the first to call for help to Grub, founder of 10000 Islands. Sameerean Commonwealth has launched an invasion before on The Chaos Wastes and failed after moderators froze most of their nations. The Sameerean Commonwealth had plans to invade Alberta before IM was UN Delegate, and when IM2 asked for help, SC had a much bigger opportunity to invade and take over Alberta once and for all. They endorse Apparitions (SC member) instead of a cabinet minister in Alberta.

10000 Islands, Texas and The Pacific are having a contest at Islas Norte. After some 45 minutes, Grub orders all in 10000 Islands to go help and endorses the current UN delegate there. Some members in Islas Norte go help too. Help from all over comes in and helps.

Next morning, most members left and Canada is now asked to put in a neutral UN delegate for the time being. That's the story to the best of my abilities. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Yep, that sounds about right.

Thanks for the info izdambodia.

We are in the process of taking action to secure the Region. Hopefully we will be able to complete this before we are targeted by this, or any other aggressive party.

If I may be so bold I'd like to point interested nations to the first point of my second post in this thread:

Without a founder for Alberta this is all wasted energy.

If Alberta does not want a repeat of this distructive activitiy they need to form a new region (or use the Alberta Reject region). I would sugest that Canada could play a role in consulting to generate regional by-laws and holding elections for the their new region. (If they want to reuse the Alberta name we might be able to help with that but it could get a little trickly.)

As izdambodia pointed out there are plenty of groups looking to takeover regions without founders. This is an issue I've discussed at length with Bwezzy; that also needs to be addressed for Canda. I'm of the option that without a founder there is not much more that can be done other than what Bweezy has suggested.

FYI - if USSB reported that IM passworded the region but did not provide the password to the natives (as I suggested) that is most likely why they where kicked out of the UN.

Yep, that's how it went down, no password for the natives. <_<

Nations of Canada,

I am the active Minister of Defense for the great region of Alberta. Our former great leader (The Republic of IM) has been vilified by the majority of people who have taken akin to the strife in our region. Many seem to forget that IM rightfully won the chair as UN Delegate for Alberta. But during this election (what I will refer to as the "forgotten election," as no one seems to remember it), Intel-Pentium (the nation counting votes) rigged the votes so that one of his supporters was elected Delegate. Shortly after this, IM was ejected, and banned, from Alberta. Please remember that when trying to aid Alberta, IM is NOT the villain in this case. Also know that your diligence in trying to aid our dire situation is most appreciated by the citizens of Alberta.

Führer Gagnon
The Dubiously Fascist States of The Nintendo Emerates
Active Minister of Defence for Alberta

This is exactly why Canada needs to stay nuetral in this civil war in Alberta. Everyone has a history and we do not know who the real bad guys are.

By staying neutral and by helping to broker peace we create a great reputation for Canada.

All the best for Alberta.

Micon

IM May well be the rightfully elected delegate.

We should remain even handed in all of this. It seems that there is a wealth of feeling in Alberta at this time over this issue. The message forums are alight over there.

Currently the debate in the publicly viewable message forum is in relation to a democratic motion to install The Piss*d as both the NS and Region recognised UN Delegate.

Are we in favour of this, or not. It goes against your recommendation Bweezy.

I am not going to publicly support any delegate in Alberta - who they choose to help them through this tranistional phase is up to them. My goal is simply to work with all sides and put democratic structures in place so that events like those of the past week do not take place ever again.