Title: Incident within the SP
Caer Rialis - October 14, 2004 10:17 PM (GMT)
For those who have not heard, recently there was a bid to select a new delegate within the SP. Malak al Hrak on 11 October put in a bid to become delegate. his endorsement numbers rose extremely quickly after making that announcement. It was revealed to us, through impeccable sources, that Malak al Hrak was none other than Savage Lands Reloaded/En Sabah Nur, a nation which had tried to seize control of the SP in January 2004.
Thanks to such information received from a myriad of sources, we uncovered his attempt and today, SLR was again ejected from the South pacific. Thanks to all who helped us, from within the SP, to without, in regions such as Canada, who offered all kinds of assistance to us.
An account of the delegacy bid can be found
here
bweezy - October 15, 2004 05:21 AM (GMT)
If I recall, last time SLR pulled this stunt last January, there were rumours of Pacific involvement (Those rumours were since confirmed
in this thread). Any word on whether the Pacific had a connection to this recent SLR episode, or was he acting alone? (If this is detrimental to national security or international relations, I understand - feel free to ignore this question - I'm just curious)
The Shaft - October 15, 2004 06:45 PM (GMT)
I want people to know that 2 of our prime sources of help in recent days were BlackAddler and Unlimited.
During the first attack by SLR a almost unknown fact is that we had people who came from the NPO to help defend LR. Slr was not liked in the NPO by many he was a friend of FS and for the most part that is why he was allowed to stay in the NPO.
My inderstanding is that many were not happy with FS after this took place. I don't have anyway to confirm that but it may well be true. The reason I believe it may be true is I started watching the NPO boards right after SLR was defeated the first time and What I saw was allot of disatisfaction with the action taken by FS.
If you have any other questions post them here and I will try to answer them.
Carbanousa - October 18, 2004 11:33 AM (GMT)
I'm aware that BlackAddler was involved in the events in the South Pacific, but iddn't know that Unlimited was involved at all. Perhaps this hepled to sway the situation to a more favourable, if less than ideal conclusion.
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| During the first attack by SLR a almost unknown fact is that we had people who came from the NPO to help defend LR. Slr was not liked in the NPO by many he was a friend of FS and for the most part that is why he was allowed to stay in the NPO. |
I find it interesting that the New Pacific Order would make such a public stand against FS. My recolleciton is that Lady Rebels and Francos Spain had been at loggerheads for some time that emanated from a conflict of interest, of sorts, and that is why the The Pacific and The South Pacific had such a brittle relationship. Perhaps this show of support to Lady Rebels was the catalyst in the series of events and internal conflicts within The Pacific. could be mistaken, but it would certainly make sense. In hindsight, the problems that arose within The North Pacific with UPS Rail/Sir Paul would have made an ideal distraction to rally The Pacific after a show of lack of faith. This is pure conjecture of course and it is unlikely that the true version of the story ever be known.
It is also curious that Savage Lands Reloaded was allowed to stay in The Pacific and was not ousted by UPS Rail during his brief Delegacy. Nevertheless, it would seem that a period of well deserved stability within The South Pacific should enable the recent wounds to heal, if even only slightly.
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| (1)My inderstanding is that many were not happy with FS after this took place. I don't have anyway to confirm that but it may well be true. (2)The reason I believe it may be true is I started watching the NPO boards right after SLR was defeated the first time and What I saw was allot of disatisfaction with the action taken by FS. |
(1) In which case, why would the members of The New Pacific Order be content in sitting back and allowing a Delegate toconduct themselves in a way which did not adhere to thier core ideals? It may be that the idea that the public show of support to Lady Rebels is not just conjecture but contain a degree of truth.
(2) I would be reticent to believe anything on public boards as much is propoganda. That is, of course, unless you had access to secure Forums by whatever means.
I would like to ask a question though regarding the ongoing dialogue between The South Pacific and PRP. In my view, and this does not represent the opinion of either Canada's member Nations or Cabinet, the PRP is window dressing attempting to masquarade the old NPO. If the points discussed within your previous post are true, why would The South Pacific pursue diplomatic relations with the NPO/PRP given the nature of their relations in a historical context? Is this new beginnings for The South Pacific, a token thanks for support in the past, or a vehicle in which to observe the development of the PRP from a more intimate position. I appreciate that Regional Security may inhibit the answering of this question and understand if you choose not to do so. My curisoty, once again, has got the better of me.
The Shaft - October 23, 2004 05:11 AM (GMT)
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| I would like to ask a question though regarding the ongoing dialogue between The South Pacific and PRP. In my view, and this does not represent the opinion of either Canada's member Nations or Cabinet, the PRP is window dressing attempting to masquarade the old NPO. If the points discussed within your previous post are true, why would The South Pacific pursue diplomatic relations with the NPO/PRP given the nature of their relations in a historical context? Is this new beginnings for The South Pacific, a token thanks for support in the past, or a vehicle in which to observe the development of the PRP from a more intimate position. I appreciate that Regional Security may inhibit the answering of this question and understand if you choose not to do so. My curisoty, once again, has got the better of me. |
It is intersting that your post if i read it correctly seems to assume that the old NPO is responsible for all the problems that we have had with the NPO. I say NPO because we have had no problem with the PRP. It is even more interesting when you find that the first person who wanted this move to bury the hatchet was LadyRebels herself.
Right now we are not considering an alliance. All we are starting with is ending a war that has consumed a great deal of time and resource on both sides and recognising each others governments.
Why are we doing what we are doing? It is the right time. The old hardliners from the NPO are gone or out of power. The people who hold the power now are more moderate people such as BlackAddler, Warrior Thorin, Sir Paul, Unlimited.
Peace is a wonderful thing and that is our desire. Not peace at any price but a peace that will allow the PRP and TSP to move ahead instead of worring about the past.
You call the PRP window dressing for the old NPO. I have seen no evidence of this. I have heard this from many people that it is all for show again where is the evidence of that? I am not in their secure areas in the PRP just the same as I am not in the secure areas of these boards nor is there a need for either.
I hope this answers your question.
bweezy - October 23, 2004 06:51 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (The Shaft @ Oct 23 2004, 12:11 AM) |
| You call the PRP window dressing for the old NPO. I have seen no evidence of this. I have heard this from many people that it is all for show again where is the evidence of that? |
In response to that statement, I'd like to invite you to a meeting in the Ministry of foreign affairs
in this thread.
I ask the question in that thread in my capacity of Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs for this region. I thought this question might be "out of bounds" within the sovereign walls of your embassy and convened a special thread for it.
Thanks.
Caer Rialis - October 23, 2004 10:08 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Carbanousa @ Oct 18 2004, 06:33 AM) |
I find it interesting that the New Pacific Order would make such a public stand against FS. My recolleciton is that Lady Rebels and Francos Spain had been at loggerheads for some time that emanated from a conflict of interest, of sorts, and that is why the The Pacific and The South Pacific had such a brittle relationship. Perhaps this show of support to Lady Rebels was the catalyst in the series of events and internal conflicts within The Pacific. could be mistaken, but it would certainly make sense. In hindsight, the problems that arose within The North Pacific with UPS Rail/Sir Paul would have made an ideal distraction to rally The Pacific after a show of lack of faith. This is pure conjecture of course and it is unlikely that the true version of the story ever be known. It is also curious that Savage Lands Reloaded was allowed to stay in The Pacific and was not ousted by UPS Rail during his brief Delegacy. Nevertheless, it would seem that a period of well deserved stability within The South Pacific should enable the recent wounds to heal, if even only slightly. |
That is something that the folks active within the NPO at the time who knew Franco pretty well would have to tell you as I'm not privy to it. Certainly Blackadder did call for people to go to the SP in January to support LR tells us that things were unclear within the Pacific at the time.
And, of course, shortly after the North Pacific troubles this summer, FS passed away. That threw a whole new wrench into the works.
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| (1) In which case, why would the members of The New Pacific Order be content in sitting back and allowing a Delegate toconduct themselves in a way which did not adhere to thier core ideals? It may be that the idea that the public show of support to Lady Rebels is not just conjecture but contain a degree of truth. |
I can only say that it was personal respect for their delegate. But then again, I'm not privy to other information.
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| I would like to ask a question though regarding the ongoing dialogue between The South Pacific and PRP. In my view, and this does not represent the opinion of either Canada's member Nations or Cabinet, the PRP is window dressing attempting to masquarade the old NPO. If the points discussed within your previous post are true, why would The South Pacific pursue diplomatic relations with the NPO/PRP given the nature of their relations in a historical context? Is this new beginnings for The South Pacific, a token thanks for support in the past, or a vehicle in which to observe the development of the PRP from a more intimate position. I appreciate that Regional Security may inhibit the answering of this question and understand if you choose not to do so. My curisoty, once again, has got the better of me. |
I do not see thie new direction of the PRP as simply window dressing for the NPO. I think we are looking at a new leadership there, with new ideas,a dna new sense of direction. In a nutshell, our region has been pursuing diplomatic relations with the Pacific as a way to maintain peace between our regions, allowing a better sense of communication between two of the feeder regions. It is not so much a sign of gratitude toward the PRP as one can see that the PRP has entered into negotiations with our allies, the North Pacific and the West Pacific.
I hope this helps