Francos Spain has apparently quit:

http://s7.invisionfree.com/NBC/index.php?showtopic=179

btw, NBC is a Nationstates Broadcasting Service I discovered today. THey broadcast out of a couple of dozen of regions, but Canada is not one of them.

I wonder if:

A: our government would want them to include Canada on their broadcast beat; and
B: whether anyone here would want to be NBC's correspondent to Canada (that might be a good way to get them here - have one of us offer to be a correspondent).

Excuse me if I take this with a pinch of salt. If this be true, then I wish FS and P every success in whatever they decide to do outside of NationStates. However, there is a storm brewing on a mass-scale, and it may have bee decided that this was the point to quit whilst the opportunity to do so still existed.

I think having NBC broadcast here is a good idea...I'll look into it.



If anyone's interested:
http://newpacificorder.proboards19.com/ind...&num=1091993164

Intriguing. So maybe the NPO won't be such a problem anymore? I'm not keeping my hopes up. Just in case!

Lelana

I think they'll be pretty much the same. Unlimited has been promoted to leader of the NPO.

/sigh. Good thing I didn't keep my hopes up! :P

Lelana

However, without the drive and creativity of Francos, their upper echelons of power will be in disarray for some time. They will always remain a very real threat, but probably not as highly organised.

I wouldn't be so sure. It's my understanding that Francos hasn't been pulling the strings in the NPO for a while now. Unlimited (aka Eu-topia; Rev. Al Sharpton), Mammothstan (aka Great Bight) and Black Adder have been more active and more dangerous, lately.

And also, lets be honest here - the NPO is likely not a danger to Canada - they're agenda is one of Pacific domination, not domination of user regions.

Their current focus will be holding the Pacific. Their enemies have seized what they feel is a rare opportunity to oust the NPO.

Operation Puppet Master makes that impossible. No Region is safe from this strategy, no matter what defencive measures are put in place. The re-taking of the North Pacific has irrevocably changed NationStates forever.

It's not going to stop the NPO from trying to hold onto power. They'll have an easier time of it too, because the current residents of the Pacific are, by and large, satisfied with their leaders, inhibiting campaigns to reduce endorsement numbers. Additionally, this isn't quite the cause celebre that the NP was. Getting enough nations together to fight them will be more difficult 10-11 months after they took over.

It didn't work. Posk came back for a bit to oust the people trying to take over, and Unlimited is now the delegate of the Pacific.

Not the least bit surprising. That's why I put what they feel is a rare opportunity, as opposed to what is a rare opportunity.

Do you want the link added to the board header?

Forgive my questions, but what is it?

It was the strategy used to reclaim the North Pacific a while back. It's long and complicated. If there is an overwhelming deisre to know what it is and what it does I'll post the response in the MoD forum.

please try to keep the plan secret ;)

and yeah, we all got kicked, but we'll get another chance at getting my old home region back :lol:

luckily no one can kick me out my new home region, that's why i love the RR so much :wub:

No problem. It is confined to my brain, for the most part. However, it isn't ging to take a genuis to work out what it does. Upon analysis, it is a very simple strategy, but requires complex execution.

As you understand this strategy, you do realise what the consequences and reprucussion are for the game as a whole I presume. I cannot understand why such as course of action was endorsed (pun intended).

Ours is not to reason why, but to ctach the sh*t as it fly's.

NS Independant Voice:

Some opinions on the ADN

For the sake of context, the writer of that article is affiliated with invaders. He's hardly neutral on the subject of the ADN.

This post should not be viewed as an apology or an attack on either party, just sharing some info.

Thanks for the context Blackshear. :)

If they succeed in their original goal, how long will it be until they come for you?

If the five pacifics go to the NPO, then the next logical choice would be the RR (though for obvious reasons, the NPO taking the RR would be next to impossible).

Until I see evidence of any NPO involvement in user created regions, they will not concern me. To date, I've seen none, for there is no prestige in going after user created regions, especially ones which seem to repeatedly draw the ire of the anti-NPO forces in Nationstates. In the past six months, I've seen plenty of anti-NPO/Pro-ADN types come on board and criticize this region and those who dwell within it. For that reason alone, even if there was a User Created region bent to the NPO, I don't think the NPO would choose this one as a preferred target. The logical choices would be those regions that are closely alligned with the NPO's enemies. Boring old Canada doesn't fit that mould, given the constant criticism and second guessing we get from ADN types.

Hundreds of imperialist organizations say you're wrong there...

Yes, but none of them or the NPO. Hence my lack of concern with the NPO. The NPO is about prestige IMHO - going after a user created region would run counter to their MO.

Interesting...
I've been doing some rearch about the ADN recently...
So far, I'm hard pressed to find alot of positives about the ADN, even at their forum.
What I found is that their not very clear on anything.

That's because they have passwords on everything.

The ADN is a defender alliance/government that behaves somewhat like the United States.

Well, If the ADN were like anything, their probably closer to what the UN is in concept.
The ADN is a passworded region of 5 nations (spam ambassadors), their forum seems like it gets fairly high traffic from the same small group of people. Much like every regions forum.

The region named "ADN" has little or nothing to do with the ADN. The actual ADN consists of over 30 regions, including Nasicournia, The Proletariat Coalition, The North Pacific, The West Pacific, The Rejected Realms, the Allied States of EuroIslanders, Alcatraz, and Equility.

For those that haven't heard:

My oh my...
I guess the NPO is really a thing of the past. It looks like there were more troubles than were apparent. I wish the Pacific good luck in their new venture and trust they will find the stability that they so honourably seek.

Looks more like a superficial name change to me so far. Their "new" judicial code looks remarkably similar to the old code. Hopefully I will be proved wrong.

Wow I feel it is my responsibility to clear things up here.

1.

The Pacific never had an agenda of "Pacific Domination" nor have they ever had a standing army. The reason why all these rumours exist is somehow invaders have never been able to topple the government of the Pacific. There have been many attempts to do so but because of dedicated leadership and popular support for the delegate.
Example:10/8/03:
-The Pacific is attacked by a member of the Pacific Army using 125 illegal UN puppets. Francos declares Day of Pacific Triumph.
The NPO was not a hostile organization they were a legitimate government headed by one of the greatest leaders the world has known.

The new Judicial Code is only similar in structure to the old one, it has sections, and nations with names such as "Unlimited Sucks" or "F**kyerself" will still be kicked. As for the changes, a new system has been put into place which will eventually allow the Pacific to hold elections for delegate without the fear of being invaded. Nations are now allowed to collect endorsemnts though not over the threat level. Just those points make it lightyears ahead of the old one.

There were no troubles with the NPO infact it had served its purpose to stablise the region. The NPO was dissolved as many of its leaders left the game. The PRP is the next evolution of the NPO and it will continue supplying its citizens with peace strength and prosperity.

Well I suppose you consider it dangerous for nations to lead? Though this is old news as Unlimited is now the delegate I find it sad how you would demonize certain players to gain favour. Next I suppose you will try and convince them to invade the Pacific?

Well you're right there except for the defender part. The ADN and the NPO did not get along but the PRP has extended the olive branch toward the ADN only to have it thrown in their face for "not being democratic" the irony in that is that incase you havent heard Pope Hope has seized power over the ADN if you're interested there is an interesting article about it on the main page of the Pacific forums(www.pacificrepublic.tk)

If you have any further questions feel free to ask. As for the PRP being hostile toward Canada, that is a lie! The Pacific has never attacked any of it neighbours and never will you should be more concerned with nations who would spread lies about others and incite violence. I am here in a very limited capacity to inform the citizens of Canada about the true nature of the PRP. I just ask that you listen to both sides of the argument before you make a decision that isn't good for your region. The People's Republic of the Pacific wants to intiate peaceful relations with Canada but we feel we must set the record straight on a few points.

-Thanks for your attention
I hope my post will have clarified certain points about the PRP
If you have any questions feel free to ask.My NS nation is Galaisa and I am active on the Pacific Forums.

With all due respect, that's a load of crap. THe fact that the PRP will not admit to its misdeeds with the Savage Lands incident in the SP and the UPS Rail incident in the NP leads me to believe that the PRP has the same hidden agenda that the NPO had. (For those who don't recall, in January, 2004, the NPO planted El Sabah Nur, also known as "Savage Lands" into the SP, and came within a whisker of toppling the government based on ESN's fraudulent misrepresentations. Then UPS Rails, also known as Sir Paul, succeeded in taking over the NP with Pacific backing last June).

Once you admit to the past misdeeds of your region, publicly renounce such imperialistic actions, and pledge to respect the sovereignty of other regions, then perhaps you'll be trustworthy. Until then, I will personally view your region with the contempt it deserves.

All you have clarified to me is that you are unable and unwilling to admit to your region's hand in several shameful and dubious episodes in nationstates history. Until you can be forthright with us, I will strongly lobby my government to avoid all official contact with your region, and will personaly view you as nothing more than a band of dishonest imperialists.

The fact that you would come here and pretend as though the NPO never did anything wrong is very insulting to the people of this region, just as your offer of making us a "protectorate of the PRP" a few weeks back was equally insulting and assenine. We are not idiots, and the wool is not over our eyes. Some of us can see right through you.

As a recent member of the north pacific I feel I should speak up here. I was one of the exiled nations during the whole UPS/Great Bight coup.
UPS gained power because the legally elected delegate of the NP, Magicality, was laid up sick in the hospital in rl and couldn't come online to eject the little bugger before it was too late.
Any nations of standing and some on minority that were known to get along with those of standing were all ejected without cause. The NPO then backed these invaders by moving into the NP including Francos to support the new dictator, declaring him the rightful delegate because he got there by the rules set forth in code. UPS faded away allowing Great Bight to take over as the only remaining UN member that had any significant support. Much more debacle followed with this with alot of crying from the NPO that they were innocent and in the right the entire time. It wasn't until operation puppet master that the Government in Exile was allowed back into the region and Thel D'ran became the next elected delegate. The region has been basically stable ever since.
However the NPO consistently lie or try to sugar coat their involvement in the entire NP incident. Much like how they took over the Pacific a year ago through invasion and dictatorship. Most residents in the pacific don't even realize it because they all moved in after the NPO took over or just aren't involved in regional affairs enough to care about it.
Needless to say, the NPO is similar to the neighborhood brat that looks real cute and innocent when your living room window shatters, but is hiding the slingshot in its back pocket.
The PRP has yet to show that it is any different. Black Adder I believe in the new diplomat to the NP from the pacific but there has yet to be any headway as no one is really going to fully trust the former NPO until they've proven beyond a doubt that they have changed their stripes.
You can label a barrel of toxic waste as vanilla ice cream and serve it, but it'll still kill you in the end.

Much of the talk currently is still conjecture. I appreciate that you have had personal experience Cancadia, and it does help to clarify what happened during the North Pacific coup. Personally, as already stated I believe, I am going to wait and watch.