Title: Proposed, Proposal
hellmond - July 26, 2004 04:39 AM (GMT)
Hi Nation leaders :) below is a proposal that i feel very strong about i would like you advice and feelings on the matter...
Euthenasia, A question of choice
I propose that a law be passed making euthenasia legal. I belive that it is everyones fundemental right to choose a dignified and pain free manor of passing.
The proposed law would give those with termanal illnes the right to end their suffering, in the most dignified manor possible.
I also propose that within this law a set of steps be drawn that a person must follow to be granted the right to ternal sleep.
These steps should be.
1. A panal of Doctors agree that the patient IS termanal.
2. The Patient undergoes a phycalogical assesment and be passed as a sound mind.
3. That there is NO other treatment avalable.
Please give this proposal carefull thought.
Blackshear - July 26, 2004 04:53 AM (GMT)
I'm sorry to be the one to mention this, but this has already been done. It was one of the closest votes ever.
| QUOTE (UN Resolutions Throughout History) |
Legalise Euthanasia
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights. Category: Human Rights Strength: Strong Proposed by: Grande
Description: A child was sat at his mother's bedside when she was unable to breathe for herself and was under constant care. All the child knew was that the dignity of this once strong woman was slowly being drained away, hour by hour, day by day. The child's mother once told him that if she were ever in this situation, that he should do the right thing and put her out of her misery. He decided that he would obey his mother's wishes, and was jailed for 'killing' his mother. I ask you where is the justice in this? That someone has no right to end suffering? I propose that euthanasia should be legalised. Everyone over a certain age or with a life-threatening illness should be given the right to decide whether, in such a situation, they want to live on for as long as possible, or die with a little dignity left intact. This would mean a legal document would be filled out by those concerned. This would ensure that it is not a medical decision, but the patient's choice. After this document is signed, it must only be used in the situations stated. In the case of a freak situation in which a person has no serious illness or is over a certain age, if the person cannot make the decision themselves it would be made by those closest to them on the basis of professional medical advice. Also if the patient is in a coma, 5-10 years should be waited until those closest to them make a decision. The act also must be carried out in the most painless way possible. Why should carers use up time on those certain to die, when this time could be spent with those with a chance of life? And for those using religion as a barrier, don't you think that whoever you believe in would rather see the person happy in paradise, rather than suffering? Please think about this proposal carefully, and consider which path you would take if you were ever to be in this situation (God forbid)?
Votes For: 10810
Votes Against: 10031
Implemented: Fri Jan 16 2004 |
hellmond - July 26, 2004 05:45 AM (GMT)
:hide: I knew i should have read more oh well thanks for letting me know and saving me anymore embaresment
Carbanousa - July 26, 2004 11:20 AM (GMT)
It's a very contentious subject that crops up from time to time. As such, it usually sparks off some good debates. ;)
bweezy - July 26, 2004 12:26 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (hellmond @ Jul 26 2004, 12:45 AM) |
| :hide: I knew i should have read more oh well thanks for letting me know and saving me anymore embaresment |
If you want to propose a resolution on Euthanasia, what you might want to do is look at the old one, and see if it can be improved, then you can propose changes to it in the UN.
And don't be embarassed - people submit resolutions on matters that have already been dealt with all the time - its tough to read through nearly two years of resolutions and then remember which ones have dealt with your issue.
Blackshear - July 26, 2004 02:56 PM (GMT)
There is nothing to be embarrassed about. Anyone willing to make the effort to create a UN proposal on a meaningful subject will always have my respect.
Oilers Fans - July 26, 2004 04:37 PM (GMT)
As long as we are on the topic, if anyone makes a good proposal, I could get a few delegates support. I have connections...
MrPopo - July 26, 2004 10:55 PM (GMT)
anyone know if NS2 will have the entirety of all the UN proposals ever submitted wiped clean?
Man what a waste of all this time and effort!
saskatoon saskatchewan - July 27, 2004 12:12 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (MrPopo @ Jul 26 2004, 05:55 PM) |
anyone know if NS2 will have the entirety of all the UN proposals ever submitted wiped clean?
Man what a waste of all this time and effort! |
well, those UN proposals probably won't apply to NS2, but they still should be in effect for NS1.
Blackshear - July 27, 2004 01:32 AM (GMT)
My understanding is that NS2 will be a completely separate game. You can sign up with your current nation's name, but you won't be importing any of its statistics. I would suspect (but don't know for sure) that the same will apply for UN proposals. Everyone will be starting from scratch.
The Clan of APE - July 27, 2004 05:53 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Blackshear @ Jul 26 2004, 08:32 PM) |
| My understanding is that NS2 will be a completely separate game. You can sign up with your current nation's name, but you won't be importing any of its statistics. I would suspect (but don't know for sure) that the same will apply for UN proposals. Everyone will be starting from scratch. |
When is NS2 supposed to debut?
MrPopo - July 27, 2004 07:07 AM (GMT)
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| As long as we are on the topic, if anyone makes a good proposal, I could get a few delegates support. I have connections... |
HEY OF, remember my post about invader regions...its in this forum someplace. Anyways yeah, I could use some help getting that off the ground. Lemme know what you can do for me before I propose it (I havent yet)
Carbanousa - July 27, 2004 10:26 AM (GMT)
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| My understanding is that NS2 will be a completely separate game. You can sign up with your current nation's name, but you won't be importing any of its statistics. I would suspect (but don't know for sure) that the same will apply for UN proposals. Everyone will be starting from scratch. |
Very true. The best option is to begin anew as it will mean less file-transfer to keep all historical information. The move to Jolt only took three hours, upgrading over 200,000 Nations, and several however many Regions with a brand new game engine and mechanics would take forever - especially if variables such as stats have to be ported across.
I've also heared rumours that there may be a more comprehensive optional RP element takinginto account trade, war, and similar real life incidentals. Naturally, the creation of an economy (money is rumoured to exist) for trade, military, and business will require monitoring. Because of this additional depth it may also charge a subscription fee (I think it was £4GBP/$8CD per month at the last projection. This could be wrong, but is the last thing I heared.
Daemon - July 27, 2004 01:30 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Carbanousa @ Jul 27 2004, 10:26 AM) |
| Very true. The best option is to begin anew as it will mean less file-transfer to keep all historical information. The move to Jolt only took three hours, upgrading over 200,000 Nations, and several however many Regions with a brand new game engine and mechanics would take forever - especially if variables such as stats have to be ported across. |
I disagree. 200,000 nations with under 30 columns? That's a very fast load. Espeically given how restricted these columns are. Considering that I can create from scratch a 900 million row 85 column load in about an hour and a half (IBM p650 8-way, 32 GB Ram, using a RAID array), as long as they have some decent equipment and use a non-dinky database, then that transfer should be a snap.
Carbanousa - July 27, 2004 02:21 PM (GMT)
Granted. However, with better machines and better languages, coders become inherently lazy as they aren't being challenged anymore. I think the main reason that NS will be from scratch is the subscription fee idea and to attract new players without the 'clique' or 'veteran' factor. Just think of Everquest. If, as well, there is to be a monetary system, new players will start with considerably less than a Nation with a population in excess of 2 billion. there are probably more personal reasons also, but if it happens it will just have to be dealt with as and when.
Personally, I have no problems at all as I think it's a great idea and that the core mechanics have been tested and modified in NationStates.
Daemon - July 27, 2004 02:30 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Carbanousa @ Jul 27 2004, 02:21 PM) |
| However, with better machines and better languages, coders become inherently lazy as they aren't being challenged anymore. |
Ha! What coders are these? I am one of these "coders" at the momment and boy, there are challenges aplenty! Seriously, if any coders out there aren't feeling challenged, drop by my cube. I'll dole out some new work for you!
The languages haven't improved greatly for many things. C is still the default for most low level stuff, C++ for higher level, Prolog for nerds, and Java for people doing webdev and are too lazy to port their code. In my humble opinion
Oilers Fans - July 27, 2004 10:39 PM (GMT)
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Lemme know what you can do for me before I propose it (I havent yet)
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I can get the delegate of 'The Five Pacifics' (Richardelphia) and the delegate of '1 George Bush Too Many' to approve your proposal. Both regions owe me favors.
MrPopo - July 28, 2004 12:11 AM (GMT)
Awesome. And if you could spread the word on the other forums you frequent that'd be great too. Ill go propose it.
MrPopo - July 28, 2004 12:12 AM (GMT)
Hey Chex. Can I count on your support? If our MoFA could help me out by spreading the word to the other regions we have embassies in that'd be great too. Thank you for any help I can get.
Checkers McDog - July 28, 2004 12:18 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (MrPopo @ Jul 27 2004, 08:12 PM) |
| Hey Chex. Can I count on your support? |
Of course :)