how easy wil it bbe to change to a 2l pinto with a 5 speed box i have a 4 speed at the mo

I can understand changing to a 5 speed if you do motorway speed, but why chance the xflow to a pinto ?

Oh its only the gearbox mount that needs moving back a bit if you do change :)

Depends what gearbox you have at the moment.

You may need a new prop or a suitable UJ connection to the correct gearbox splines
The gearstick maybe in another position so some mods to the tub.
There will be mods to the chassis to change the position of the gearbox mount
New clutch may be required to match the gearbox mainshaft splines
New Spigot bearing may be needed if different

Engine

Exhaust exits on other side - so issues with steering column very likely.
Carb type may need bonnet mods
Wiring will need modifying for electrics being on other side.
Rad may need upgrading - may need moving if ahead of chassis rail
Engine mounts will need modifying

If changing engines there are better options than the Pinto these days.


Andrew

tbh i like the xflow but i want to rebuild it and dont want the car of the road to long ...
but 5 speed would be nice tho on motorways ;-) thx tho
if i went for the 5 speed box what would u say was a good cheap option for the engine with nice power

I just rebuilt my xflow and put a type 9 semi close ratio gearbox in exchange of a broke housed 4spd. Have a S3 had to modify frame, made a removable steel mount, a Westfield box mount, a Sierra heavy steel bellhousing ground to fit body, a tilton rally clutch (23splined 1" plate), machined a special bobbin, shortened the driveshaft and changed the front yoke (sublet). Pinto 2 litres are heavy, tall, but more torque. Everything is on the opposite side. My xflow dynoes at 128 hp with a 32/36 weber downdraft. A good stock rebuilt 1600 is around 110 -115 hp, a good stock 2litre is around 130-140. If I could have found a good 4spd in the states I would have gone that route to save money and time. The first four speeds on both the 4 and 5 spd are about the same. Fifth gear is like overdrive. Which if driven at constant high speeds might come in nice for petrol mileage. The type 9 five speed is about 3" longer where the shifter comes out and the tailhousing length. So have to modify area around shifter. I made a whole new top gearbox cover. If I did not have a machine shop at my fingertips I would have had to sublet alot out. Anyway a lot of work just to change to a five speed. Hope to help in decision good Luck!!!!

hmm yes it is alot of work for maybe 3 times a year i go on a motorway
:huh: in the Dutton

" hmm yes it is alot of work for maybe 3 times a year i go on a motorway
huh.gif in the Dutton "

This is the reason that my V8 S1 has the older (and much lighter) Rover P6 4 speed box in it.
...well..... that and they cost about £30.00 each.. ;)


P.S. I like the hard top... I think more Duttons should have them.

RIK

thx it was sitting outside for 4-5 years like that lol that was taken on the day i picked it up :D

My S1 has 2.0L with 5 speed box, it (the pinto engine) is a very heavy lump (301 lb dry!) It has already broken the n/s engine mount clean off the chassis. It had only done 500 miles from rebuild and engine was badly out of tune (dissy knackered, it only gave 8-10 degrees of advance) got a second hand one at weekend from car boot sale for £3.00, WOW! what a difference. Stock engine (Fords figures) are only 101hp but torquey its no slouch. in 5th gear it will pull cleanly from quite slow speeds, cruises on m/way very comfortably at 70-80 mph oops not over 70 honest.
a note about my n/s engine mount, after re-welding the mount back on, I braced the mount to the top rail with an extra bracket made from 15 X 15 X 2mm angle iron. It seems to make a difference as the engine appears to move less than it did before the engine mount broke, and another 400 miles has not re-cracked the engine mount.

Should have had a 1/8" x 1" wide strip as standard - some had 1/8 x 1 1/4" strips bracing from end of mount to top rail.

See picture of my S4 mount in recent post - S1 S2 S3 all the same. near enough some went to the strip that engine mount bolted to others to the 1" box.

Andrew

thanks andy, took a look at your pics and your engine mounts are similar to mine now (well the o/s mount anyway still to mod the n/s) the engine mounts (the rubber bits ) are very different though. mine are vertical bonded (anglia type?) i'm looking to use later type mounts when i can find some.
Also this weekend i plan to put a an adjusting tie bar for the n/s rear axle mount (the single one) and fabricate a light use tow bar. (for my boat trailer. It's a Brigham scow) from tow ball to light board it's 21 foot long and 6foot 6 inches wide but only weighs about 300kgs all up. but it needs a tow ball on the dutton. Also intend to reroute the water pipes to give some room for spare wheel. and finaly remount the expansion tank so that it sits higher in the car to aid filling etc.

ok so alot of work but as you said better engines out there for not alot of money
hmm zetec ? maybe looking around now so i can work on it whe nit is of the road in the winter so need to make plans now so i know what way to go :D

here is a instresting site
http://www.zetecinside.com/xr2/gearbox.htm
well was for me :D

This site was also interesting when i was looking into using a Zetec in the Legerra

Zetec

Check out the Zetec Resources and on a budget ;)

come on, you know you want a V8! B)

hmmm V8 hmmmm well ... hehe but they cost sooooooo m uch these days .... ;)

http://my.voyager.net/~quadrant19/xflow-zetec.html and another one :rolleyes:

ok i have looked and v8 is a nice way to go but is it alot of work from what i have ?

Ehm, didn't think you would take me seriously! :unsure:

There is a hell of a lot of work involved to fit a V8, I bought one with the V8 fitted and have spent ages just sorting out all the problems that the previous owner bodged.

The end result is worth it but believe me your toy will be off the road for a LONG time! :angry:

If you are seriously interested in fitting a V8 you will find lots of help on here and I can send you as many modification pictures as you like.

If you go ahead I can see hear you swearing at me for years! :huh:

Mick.