If the site's colors seem all screwed up and some sections are barely readable, don't panic. I'm working with someone on the CSS coding for the site to change the colors so it's less dull.

Things may be a bit odd for a few days while we work and check everything to make sure it functions properly.

If you find after tomorrow that something's still not working properly, reply in this topic and I'll see if it can be fixed.

Thank you for your time. Everything should be back to normal in a day or so. ^_^

Oooh... Found a problem Derhlith. Mostly within the Posting Section and in the Log in Section. I'll get right to fixing that though. Oh and Hi Everyone I'm the man behind the genius (ROFL!!) that is working with the CSS Codes. Hope you all enjoy this place when I finish.

Edit: w00t w00t w00t, Fixage. I handled that problem so f there are any others just let me know. Also, I'm surprised you never deleted my character, Strato, Dehrlith. I'm still member number 8, hmmm... I like that. Too bad I never started playing this.

Just to tell you, the Login / Logout boxes are still impossible to read. You may want to look at that.

Also, is there something you can do about the smiles box to the left of the text field for writing a post? It, too, is still silver and thus very difficult to read.

I'm gonna bug you later about some other things, too. So be prepared :lol:

Lookin' good. Pleasant surprise ^_^

Omg... What have you done to DI!?!?!?! Where is DI!?!?! I don't know this site, it isn't DI... Witchcraft.. DAMN YOU!!!!! <.< Actually, I like it. *Presses newer buttons.* XD

ditto, I think it looks great guys. Keep it up!

*sniffle* Its so beautiful.

Ok, I'm going to have to be the one to say it: I don't like it. Luckily, it's not done. I do prefer a white background but that's just my personal preference. I have a question though. Is it possible to change the backgrounds on the new buttons to black? (Edit: I guess so, looks like some of them have been changed already.) Because the white boxes are...weird. And as long as I'm bitching and being grumpy, I think I'll throw in my artistic opinion. I think the gray is a wee bit too warm. If it were maybe a little cooler with more green (like in the banner) it would be spiffy.

Hmm, I came off as quite an angry poster there. But that is meant to be constructive criticism, so I hope it is taken as such.

Well, you really should talk to the people who did it before making the assumption that it wasn't tried. Strato and I tried to get a darker grey. Guess what? It turned out to be black.

And the buttons aren't going to stay that way forever. This is far from finished, I can assure you. It's going to stay this way for a little while because I still have some images I need to make to finish up the layout. But once it's done, the buttons will be a little cleaner.

Nex time, it would be appreciated it you didn't just spit stuff out as if this is how it was meant to look. Mainly because it's not. <_<

Ah, but see, all I heard from you was "work in progress." I therefore feel justified in assuming that if something is up, it's up to stay. And I also feel fully justified in "spitting out" whatever I please. It was my impression that Dark Isles was meant to be something of a small community. As such, I don't think I was so far off in assuming that topics posted here are open for discussion. I also fully intended my last post as constructive criticism, which was quite clearly stated. I don't appreciate your tone, especially considering that I posted in good faith. You could have got your point across just as easily without the sour attitude.

good god, Nickers, chill out. Things like this will never get anywhere without the comments of its members and the willingness of its mods to listen to them. Just because Valcrist said his opinion does not mean he was demanding that you change it all. He was clear that he was only intending to help out (hence "constructive critisism")......>.< Even though you weren't griping at me, Nick, I was still quite offended by your response to Valcrist.
....I know I don't have a right to be responding to this, since it really isn't my business, but I just wanted to give me two cents. *tosses in her 2 pennies*
An RPG is nothing without its members, so I feel we have every right to give our opinions on the way things go. Sure, you don't have to change anything we suggest, we just want to make the place better, just like you.

If it turned out to be black, you ought to use a different color. There are other nice grey colors that I'm sure would look well enough. I have my own two cents to contribute as well-- that do not have anything to do with Valcrist, but this particular forum seems to discourage that (judging on past experience here) and I certainly don't feel like getting into an argument. A fine example of closed-in feedback.

I figure I'll add my little bit in here quickly. If you have a suggestion for a color change. I suggest you find that color in the color name that the CSS will recognize or you find it in hex form. Post it up here and we'll CONSIDER it. If we don't like the way it blends with the rest (Which might I add, isn't finished as of yet) then we won't use it. If we like it we will use it and POSSIBLY commend you for it.

Ex.: Hey, good job finding that color. You found an awesome one there. Wow, If I ever need your help again I'll come and ask you for it!!!.

Might I add that this section of this post had enough sour attitude in it to completely drown Dehrlith's entirely four times??

Again, I must add something. Ever worked with CSS? Sometimes it's a bit of a test and try thing so when doing it you go to add the change you just made to see how it looks. It was left on so when we added new things, we could see how well they blended as well. Sometimes things happen that don't get completed right away. When Mark Twain wrote "The Adventures of Hucleberry Finn" He wrote a few chapters and then took a long hiatus before he finished the other 20 or so chapters. Somethings take time to work and finish.

Just wanted to add this just because. Good point on that one, but still I digress and again say that just saying something and not giving an example of the color he thinks would be better either in hex or plain colors is not helping *Too* much, sure it helps a bit but if you want to be giving this "Constructive Criticism" Try to be more on the constructive side than on the criticism side.

Thank you for "allowing" me to add my two cents as well. Also, if you are going to say hateful things about it without trying to help make it look better than don't post anything up here at all! You say it's constructive criticism but it is no way constructive in my eyes if you are not contributing.

That is all.

I see your points but am forced to disagree with them. I'm getting the strong impression that you too think I was only trying to throw a wrench in the machinery (because you came to the point of nearly flat-out saying that directly), and for the life of me I just do not understand why. The only possible reason for this I can see is that you don't know what constructive criticism really is. That sounds offensive to me, but I guess I really shouldn't care seeing as I was not the one to turn this into a bitter series of posts.

However, I am ready to admit that my view of what constitutes constructive criticism may be different from someone else's, so here's how I see it:

Contstructive: "I think the grey is a wee bit too warm. If it were maybe a little cooler with more green (like in the banner) it would be spiffy."

Not So Constructive: "This sucks guys, what the hell is your problem that you can't do any better than this?"

You'll note that my tone was not at all like that of the not so constructive criticism. To be constructive, criticism must bear honesty in opinion. Were I to have said, "Yup, I really like the grey," when I did not actually feel that way, nothing would have been gained. Here's an example: a teacher sees a student trying to solve a simple math problem, but is failing to do so correctly. If the teacher says "good job, keep it up," then the student learns nothing. On the other hand, if the teacher says, "that's a good effort, but you forgot to carry the three," then the child gains the benefit of realizing his or her mistake, and can go about correcting it. Thus the second possible remark that the teacher could have made would be constructive criticism, even if the student was put off by the comment. Granted, I realize that in this case we are dealing with matter of opinion and not simple right and wrong, but I believe this example is fairly accurate in portraying the way I view constructive criticism. Another comment:

I would like to point out here that I did actually give an example of a color I think would be better in "plain colors." The quote above for my example of what I believe to be constructive criticism is exactly what I said in my original post (except I changed "gray" to "grey" because I can't figure out how to spell the damn word). I said that I thought that adding a bit of green (which would also have the affect of cooling the grey) might be worth a shot. Grey-green is a real color, and though it might not be considered plain by some, any plainer and I would have been saying that instead of the current grey, the color should be a different grey. Obviously this would have been a pointless remark. Finally, if my criticism had been any more on the constructive side than the criticism side, it really would have just been kissing ass. And while I'm sure that most people enjoy having someone cozy up to them in that way, it would have accomplished nothing.

If you have any problems with what I've said here just feel free to post away. I'd like to point out though, Strato, that I'm grateful you stated your opinions in an orderly, logical, manner. It makes debate much more fluid.

Well said Valcrist. I admire how you dealt with that. I think that we can now bring this tiny series of evil posts to an end and work together to make this site better. It seems we've come to an agreement on this subject and we may stop now.

The site will not be finished until Derhlith comes to me and tells me what he wants changed. Until then I will wait for him to speak to me and we can put all the wonderful ideas that you all could possibly bring to the table.

One last note though...

Hmmm.... That last quote reminds me of what you said in the first quote I put here. How... strange. ^_^

Well I'll be damned, you're right. Actually I was trying to point out that discussions like this always just work out better if handled in a civilized manner. Almost every argument I see on a board (and not just in Dark Isles) starts with someone saying something without meaning to insult anyone, then someone takes offense at it and starts cussing out the first poster. Then, more cussing ensues until a mod or admin silences the argument. Debating like that just doesn't solve anything, and it would be nice to actually see people at odds be able to handle their problems like civilized people. So there you go.