The purpose of this topic was to discuss mayor AOD issues that would and could change how we operate things. I did have an idea to create this topic earlier, but I got lazy and let it slide. A situation which occurred yesterday motivated to start this famed topic with an infamous situation: one of you has tried *and failed miserably* to overthrow me...yes ladies and gentlemen, a mutiny is going on!!!

Reasons from the evidence I have (and boy, is that evidence clear):

1. The user wants an item I have and I won't trade it to him
2. The user feels I am selfish by asking to trade an item he has
3. The user has based his act on material things such as rare armor and the issue of me possessing high amounts without letting him have some
4. The user has accused me of stealing without having any evidence

Those 4 points are what I obtained from the convo I got. Please, I want everyone to give their opinion on the situation, as well as what to be done with this person.

Remember kids, if you're going to run a mutiny, don't base it on the fact that the person has something you don't! At least say he's a bad leader or something!!!

EDIT: A piece of the convo. It's HTML, but I can send the original to you if you wish:

I ask that you, Mr. Mutiny, say nothing until we've heard opinions from everyone.

Well well, looks like this is quite a situation we have here. :blink:

Clan's first hostile take over? :ph43r:

Btw, Cyph, how the hell does this count as proof? I can't seem to tell wtf's MM and SP? Its easy to make things up... :mellow:

As for the over throwing, lol. Just lol. This "MM" did he take any action as though he? Only said things. Words are only words, unless you have proof he actually attempted to do someas to over through you. Other wise probably some mad punk, that didn't agree on you with something. I'm just pointing out a few things before you judge me on taking sides, cause I don't know wtf's going on. :P

As for your evidence..

1. So what you don't want to trade something? Big deal, he can get over it.
2. Well isn't it selfish? Using someone to gain more? Perhaps he felt it wasn't a fair trade? I get that feeling alot. Or maybe, he felt much sentimental value with it. I felt it with my Tekki and other junk. Hehe. Well, you may see it as a good trade to what you offer, but the person may not. That's something you got to take in mind. Before you all start bashing on this person, why don't you see it from his side. I'm just trying to connect to the problem here.
3. Don't know what this about. :blink:
4. Stealing what may I ask? That doesn't show much valid proof in my book. Cause, your just saying he accused you. So? But accused you for doing what? Stealing is to vauge. Need to know more details.

Is the convo you got below? Or is there another? I'm just stating my "opinion." But, I'm basing this opinion on your evidence.

Well just my 2 cents. :) [Maybe its time to come back. :lol:]

You should Terror!

1. That's the thing, he won't get over it!
2. Actually, we didn't trade the item.
3. *nothing*
4. Stealing from the AOD Armory without permission...

-Wow, this is kinda funky. I wouldn't see this set up as 'you' Cypher. Threatened.. Yep, I know now. If you want facts based on whats been said on or over AiM I have a crap load. Everyone it twas me Mr.M. Yes, but I can tell you a lot more then what Cypher's just telling you.

-1. The user wants an item I have and I won't trade it to him
-2. The user feels I am selfish by asking to trade an item he has
-3. The user has based his act on material things such as rare armor and the issue of me possessing high amounts without letting him have some
-4. The user has accused me of stealing without having any evidence


-1/2. Selfish?.. Hrmm who took 12k out of the bank to pay for some Knight's Leg Armor?.. I think he has it all mixed up in his mind.. you see, because he's the one that got mad at me when I wouldn't trade him my Devil blade As seen here..

-Persistant?..

-Wow.. Leave me alone already

-JESUS U!

-1/2.Wow.. He just couldn't leave me alone about it, and then come to find out he wanted it to get another Time Piece!.. Hrmm didn't he take Amicus's?.. That was his reaction.. and when I gave the Omnious back willingly because I lost 'him' an item here. He wanted me to trade the Omnious for the Imp bands so he could trade them from me.

-4.Can anyone say busted?..

-Now I ain't gonna say Cypher's a bad leader, because thats opinion. I want you to decide for yourselves. Oh, wait I forgot some things.. Here.. I hope ya like this one C-Y-P-H-E-R..

I have to admit, all that's pretty nice evidence, and I do admit I feel for your acts. Too bad I didn't save the convo's when wanted the pants.

As for Amicus, I'd like to speak to him because I do beleive we had an understanding.

As for the last part 'wtf?'. What's that have to do with anything? When I mentioned the line that my good friend Mr. Jack Sparrow made famous, I meant the mutiny. A mutiny is based on bad leadership, not bad trade relations <_<

As for the Omniuos and Imp Band's thing, I was asking you to return a favor. How about that trade with Rhilla? I simply wanted help to obtain you an item.

As for the "you are out" part, I was serious before I decided that your fate should be discussed with the rest of the AOD'ers.

A mutiny over rare items is very bad, especially it has nothing to do with my leadership.

Honestly, who here thinks I am a bad leader?

-Bad trade relations.. You based your whole 'I am a bad person' On bad trade relations. Returning a favor?.. A rare for.. stuff you see around everywhere?!.. I do believe that would be quite an unfair favor to be asking back of me. Why should my fate lie with the hands of the AoDers?.. it's over already I quit the AoD!.. You think that if you agree with the rest of the AoDers that I should be thrown out that it'll be alright you wanted me out?.. You thought you could through me out before. Remember my 'Crimes'?.. Mutiny over a rare item it's more than just one rare item.. It's that you've taken advantage of the whole you being 'our leader'.

*chuckles*

Taken advantage? Of who? You not getting rares?

These rares do carry a burden, I must admit...

Mutiny, when the crew overthrows the captain...usually there is good reason to overthrow the captain, maybe he's a jerk, maybe he sucks at his job...

...

But over rares?

Sorry kid, that's not right.

-I am done.. I have said my piece.

Holy word I don't say... this is confusing. I have a lot of thoughts on this swimming around in my head, but not all of them are being generous enough to conform into words, so I'm sorry about that... I'll try to get them out.

First off, Ryok, I do NOT want you out of the AOD. It's like you belong there.

Secondly, I'm still having trouble discerning the "mutiny" part of all this. These are mostly the ideas that won't go into words. In some parts, I agree with Cypher, and in others, I agree with Ryok. I've read all of both arguments and spoken with Cypher a lot and Ryok just a little... ugh. Here's a list of my ideals that I feel apply here; I can't sort them out between the two.

1. NEVER betray a friend in any way whatsoever.
2. NEVER break a promise. If you say you'll do something, carry through with it for the rest of eternity if you have to.
3. DO NOT use your friends to get "stuff".
4. DO NOT abuse power.

Shoot... there are more, but they're still fuzzy. If I ever sort them out, I'll post them. Thank you for putting up with me, I'm sorry if I offended anyone, and please feel free to IM me should you want to say something, clear something up, or ask a question on what I have said.

Alright, as the guy that the 'mystery man' known as Ryok thinks would do best as leading the AOD if in case a mutiny had taken effect, it is my turn to talk. I will probably be a little harsh, but what can i say.. I've had 2 hours of sleep and I just got off of work...

Also, I may be a little mean towards people, but do not let this effect the respect level that you have for me. I still respect those above and below me, and I am not mutinizing here.

First topic, The AOD Armory 'robbery'.

The whole chat about this is nonesense. I, myself, am taking part in this event that Ryok had tried to add in our armory inventory to. He did it to help the whole event out, even though it wouldn't help much since we don't have too many powerful things in it. He was going for the good of the event, and then afterwards we would reclaim what is rightfully ours. I haven't posted in that Trade Center thread, but the AOD armory is at the events will for the moment. I shall close it up as soon as the event starts though. So here on forth, this talk about Ryok trying to steal the AOD armory for personal causes, ended. Sentence: Not Guilty.


Second Topic, The Rare Hunters.

Alright, I've noticed that Cypher has an enormous stash of Rares in his own personal inventory, and Ryok has a few. Personally, I own absolutely none. I've had a conversation with anonnymous players, we have found that it is not right that Cypher has so many rare items. Rayo tries to spread the Rare's out amongst the subplot, not just one group of players, or one player. I, personally, found it wrong that Cypher has so many and this makes Rayo dish out doubles of the rare items, but then it comes back to Cypher anyway.

How do we solve this, you ask? Simple, Cyph... let everyone else have a chance at the Rare items. I know you may be collecting them for other reasons, for instance, the war room prizes. But when people become annoyed, it is best to let it alone for the moment and then pick up on it when everything simmers down. This is not completely resolved, since I have no actual part in this, but please do realize where I'm coming from on this. Sentence: Un-charged.


My third and final discussion on this... The Mutiny.

First off, I thank you for the compliment that I would make a great leader for the AOD. Thank you very much for your support. BUT!! I do not wish for a mutiny to be induced on the AOD. Our clan is the strongest clan, and has always been the strongest clan. Even now, even though we have lost Terror, Shadow_Ryu, Erebus, Angelus, Gwen, DDD and Gojira, we are still the strongest clan. I find no reason to mutinize here. Anyway though, the one that usually makes the first step to Mutiny is the First Mate.. and that's kinda me, Sasuke of the Blue Sky. I have no intention on a mutiny, nor should any of you. If your reason for mutiny is anything less than our leader going crazy, which he has not, then your reasons are absurd and you should rethink your actions. Sentence: Un-sure of who is being charged.


My decision for a punishment. We forget this all ever happened, because for one, it will become a childish game after a while. I am not taking sides for anyone, I am just sticking to what I do best, and that is playing "The World" and surviving. So I urge you all to do the same, and would hope that this whole discussion be ended here, while my note is playing. This whole thing is nonesense, and I would hope that no one takes any grudge upon anyone else. Please heed my warnings. If this does go on, with permission from the CC corp administration, I will induce justice on those that do not abide. There is no time and there is no place for this in the AOD. I will not stand for this to go along any longer.

Forgive and forget... live and let live...

That is all that I wish to say. Please do not question my motives.

-Sasuke of the Blue Sky-

Just drop it Cyph, from what i heard you and Ryok should just drop it like Sasuke said.

Cypher, you are friend of mine, just like Sasuke is. And any friend of a friend of mine, is a friend of mine as well.

So I say drop this petty squable, it makes our whole clan look like a bunch of fools, fighting over stupid things like material possessions.

Besides you can not call something an uprising, unless they take action, and I see no action taking place.

So please for the love of whatever god/s ye worship, let this feud die.

Otherwise I'm dropping out of the clan. I would not wish to remain in a clan of feuding friends.

-Ok, one thing I do have to clear up is the fact that I have done no such thing to steal. If Cypher wishes to say I did I shall bring fourth more evidence.. I don't care if you think I was or not, but as you saw above I have proof that Amicus did not agree to let Cypher TAKE the Time Headband for himself. I don't know where you thought I was trying to take the items Sasuke, but I was trying to get back what is rightfully all of ours. NOT JUST Cyphers. I need to point one last thing out to you before I leave the AoD. Cypher does in fact have all of the AoD's bank cash under his name. I just turned a rock over to find out one of the couple of times Cypher has taken money out he has used it for himself. He took 12k from the bank last time I checked.. He placed 6k in the bank, and can anyone guess what he did with the other 6k?.. He spent it on getting Hayou's and Krop's Knight Leg Armor. Has he ever put how much he owes to the AoD?.. No. You know you might think well he's our leader.. No.. Just think if he wasn't. If you want proof look here..

-http://invisionfree.com/forums/DIVERGENCE/index.php?showtopic=1293&st=105

-The last time he took money out was the second to last post. Now.. look here.

-http://invisionfree.com/forums/DIVERGENCE/index.php?showtopic=6195&st=120

-The third post.. The date.. The same day.. Where'd the other 6k go?.. As I told you before he spent it to get him another rare.. Here.

-http://invisionfree.com/forums/DIVERGENCE/index.php?showtopic=7078

-The day after.. Hrmm.. lets see here..

-http://invisionfree.com/forums/DIVERGENCE/index.php?showtopic=7078

-whats the other 10k for?.. the seventh post down. Hrmm?.. He never puts tabs on what he takes, and what he spends. He lets us put money into it so he can take it to put in an account of his own. Wtf is up with that?.. If you look around some more you'd probably find out what hes been doing with the cash, because it sure as hell isn't going back to the AoD. Say what you want again I am not being Selfish, or Greedy I am doing this for the AoD. If you do get past the fact that he is our leader then he'll just keep doing this. I've already left the AoD I can't stand to be stolen from.. Do as you wish and Sasuke I wish you to look into all of his transactions to see if there are anymore of those.. I dunno, but I am gone. I am sorry for not listening to you and your Admin threat Sasuke, but you cant do anything more to me anyways.. Once the quest is over I am out of the AoD. I've decided already..

*Smacks self 100 times*

Nice job Ryok...nice...

Notice in the bank I deposit continuously money from the AOD into MY account. Why is that? Because I already had a little over 16k in my name, from my own savings. If I add more of the AOD's money, don't you think the bank funds would grow faster? The more money there is, the more interest it gains...

Also notice anytime I remove or use money, it never exceeded what I put in from my stash, meaning I was using my money. All that interest is the AOD's money, not mine.

What more can I say about the money problem?

I've noticed I've made a grave error. I let my personal problems mix with my job; being the leader. The only reason this topic ever came to be was to discuss Ryok's intentions to commit mutiny. However, his accusations are mostly based not on the fact of my bad role as leader, but on the fact of my possessions of rare items. Seeing this, I should have detained this topics existence and settled my differences with Ryok on AIM. I did not do this, and feel sorry that you all had to see this.

This is not a pleasant event in AOD history, its sad to see fellow comrades fight, and even sadder to see fellow comrades leave what I consider a brotherhood, not a clan, over such blatant arguments. Please, do not make the mistake I committed: do not let personal issues conflict with business. I have 3 roles on this site: Leader, Mod and Player. It seems I blurred the line between the first and last, and it sent out a shockwave that in the end affected us all.

Things I will do:

1. I see the issues of my rares has been discussed. I just wish people would tell me what they feel instead of talking behind my back. Look in the Trade Center for more details.
2. I shall combine my money with the AOD's and renamed the account in the clan's name. Any AOD'er will have access to the money.
3. Close this thread!

I apologize to those who were affected from this, and to the AOD for behaving in such a way. It is uncharacteristic of a leader, but I will strive on to keep things in order. For all you outsiders, don't deem the entire clan a bunch of mishaps who can't get along and are very selfish; it's just a bad case of 2 men who let false ideals cloud their true selves. Ryok, if you feel I tried to take advantage of you, well, that wasn't the case. If you ever saw the movie "Human Possessions", you'll know what I mean.

With this rather lengthy post up and my thoughts expressed, I shall go about my business. Let's all leave this behind us; life isn't long enough to fight.

2.

-Well, w/e I've decided to stay in the AoD after talking with Cyph about it. =D Also about this whole thing I agree with Sasu.. XD Forgive, Forget.. Lets move on.

Now, to give good use to this topic! This shall be a forum discussion about events and things that affect the AOD directly and/or indirectly. I shall post the question, and we all discuss it. Once we are done and any of you want to discuss an important topic, then post away!

*age/fav food etc. isn't an important topic <_< *

Rules for this area:

- When posting a question, post it in Bold.
- You must wait for the person who made the question to say he is done discussing that question before posting a new question
- Let's give our all in replying here! I wanna see long posts, not shot squatty ones.
- Your opinion matters, I want to hear what you guys think! Don't be afraid to speak your minds guys!

So with that spoken, here we go!

What do you guys think about our current enemy, Xander, and what do you expect from future foes? What do you think could be improved? What would your idealitic bad guy have/do?

-It'd defintally have to be extremely strong, and epic when it comes to the last battle with them.. It. I like epic battles.. tats mei thing ya know?.. XD Neways Xander is menacing, but hopefully this time the battle will be drawn out unlike the last. =D More epicness..

I don't really know what to think about Xander; I don't know all that much about him. I like epicness, but I really like plot twists! I like being confused forever and ever and ever and then, all of the sudden, having everything come into place...

-Sorry to post again.. I like to be confusseled too. o.o; sounds strange, but Final Fantasy VII was like that you don't understand the whole plot till' the end. Even then you still don't have the whole thing. =D