Many people have been spamming the board. Please don't. Why you ask?
Because:
1.It takes up room.
2.It ruins whatever the topic was.
3.Other people waste their time reading it looking for important info.
4.There is a no spamming rule.
5.I don't like spam.

The correct thing to do would be for example:

<answer the question or add your opinion to an actaul topic over one line long> Then:<yum...can I have a brownie.>

That is really the only way it won't count as spamming.

I only started this since it is getting worse and I realize something has to be done. We want a spam free site people. Please, help make divergence a better place.

<side note>:I know this is my second rant today and I have 2 comments on that.
1.Technically it was yesterday, boy it is early!
2.I must be in a happy rant mood.

And you know what, don't even respond to this post with your own. I'll see its result through the lack of spam.

Ok, it seems lots of ppl are killing each other over this particular subject. Let me give you the lowdown on what is "acceptable" and "not-acceptable".

Read and figure it out for yourself (I hope ) :

{Good One Liners}
As long it answers the particular topic or question it is OK! For example:

"Does anyone know where I can make my own site?"

geocities.com
angelfire.com
I used Topcities to make my personal site. It's crappy, since I haven't made a decent layout yet.

Those are acceptable because it directly answers the question. Of course you can add opinions and such to help make the answer much more effective (which is highly recommended). The last response in this case is a 1-liner also.. but it helps give information about it.

So if possible, writing a one-liner like the last one is highly recommended than just stating the website (like the other 2 answers).

{Bad One Liners}
Indirect answers which doesn't effectivelly answer much nor help the topic! For example:

cool
great
whatever
whatever you say


Those are just one linear response which _MAYBE_ answering the person's previous post or so... but it doesn't put much meaning or support behind it. Those are the type I dont want to see. Plus it can provoke users (especially the last two posted).


Remember, just because it's a one linear, it doesn't mean it's illegal.. make sure it has a meaning to the post and topic and that's what will determine if it's a Good One-linear or a Bad One-Linear.

Ok, another thing. Our tolerance for spamming is now shorter, so stop it.

This isn't the therapist forum. There isn't one. Don't post some topic saying how your live just stinks. To be perfectly honest, most people don't care. I'm part of that group. If someone really had a problem, they wouldn't be displaying it on a board for dozens of strangers to see unless they wanted attention or pity. Ims would be a much better way to ask advice than a message board. Many people, such as clan leaders and moderators, have specifically volunteered to be helpful. If the one you talk to can't be, they can still tell you who to talk to instead.

Also, you don't need some big to do if you're quitting. The random lv.1 or lv.2 player that leaves isn't too important, especially when your goodbye post is longer than your last quest. Thats not to say we don't care about any of them, but if you've been here for 3 weeks and quit, its not worth a thread, because you probably haven't met enough people to merit more than PMs. If you've been here for a few months or actually play here a lot and people respect you, thats different.

Also, if a topic is closes or deleted, think about it for a moment. What will happen when you repost the same topic the next day? Chances are it will also be going to the big thread heaven cloud in the sky.

Ahh... those poor, poor dead threads. *sniffs* Oh the drama.

Really. I don't care. I've dealt with drama for years on other RPs and the sudden growth in attention getters here is driving me quite insane. I will jump on these with a vengence. I understand Angelus getting a huge funeral, as he was a major player. I still don't really care about him leaving however. It might mean something to the AoD members, even if they never met him however. For those who didn't know, I had been a former member of the AoD before he became Angelus. That is before the Avantgarden was created however. I STILL don't care.

So stop the drama already people! Or feel the wrath of Asura!

~Green Rose~

I, too, (being of the same roots as Asura as far as RPing goes) have seen quite enough drama and self-pity to last me quite a while. Hell, I was one of them at some point. But it really is annoying, and I honestly laugh when I see them. But now it's becoming a hassle. In the past two days I've closed about 8 threads in the GD board, about half of them were "oh, pity me! Love me! Hold me! Look at me!" threads. They're :spam: in it's basic form. You don't gain respect that way...

All you people who post the pity-crap, I do honestly look down upon. It's just pathetic, which is why half the time I close them with some curt, sometimes rude, responses. I had a good flame written up for that Suicide BS before Shinamori dropped it like the ploy it was. If I see ANY more of that crap, I'm going to start bugging Rayo about banning, validation restrictions, or other such penalties. It's become too much to deal with and all you people who support it and egg it on with your replies (though kind as they are) only make the problem worse.

As for what happened in the "Dance" topic - I'm going to inquire with Rayo about the main participants / offenders in that case. <_<

EDIT: Oh, and if you have some non-pity-ish topic that's stupid or irritating in another way, then I'm prone to post rudely in it and then close the sucker out of sheer irritation with the pity posts. So if I seem rather unkind as of late, as Shinamori would put it: "you can thank" the pity-posters.

Ok. This is irritating.

I read this topic, and it says something like, "General Discussion: talk about anything you want!"

Yet, here we have people saying that we can't talk about certain issues, some of which are important.

While I agree that some people who do the post like, "Divorce, Hate me, etc..." are sometimes after attention, that's not true for everyone, I dare say the majority of people who post things like that. Do you remember the character who said that this forum was the closest she had to friends, and were almost like family? Then how is it that we just throw them away into rain, not caring what happens to them?

I agree, we all have to put up with our own amount of drama; who doesn't? But for us to tell people that we don't care about their families or their problems or not give them any encouragement...what does that say of us? You guys say you don't care...

I say that you guys are the worst people alive.

If everyone simply didn't care about anyone else and simply focused on their own problems...where would we be? This country that I’m in...no, this freaking world that I live on would cease to be civilized. It kinda goes back to the argument about chaos and peace; the world wouldn’t work.

So my thing is, if you don't like the posters who ask for help or advice or for someone to listen to them, go right ahead.

But it is not your place to make them feel like crap.

And it is even further from your place to delete their topics.

If this isn't General Discussion, out of character, off topic response, then someone please tell me. But as far as I can read it, and as far as I have known it since the creation of the Subs., it has been.

So, if you did delete their posts...shame on you, and what humanity you think you have.

X

I'd have to say that the whole "attention getters" thing is a bit out of hand. Although they do have a reasonable topic to talk about (sometimes) it usually gets out of hand. I can sympathize with someone going through a hard time, or being upset about some "personal issue," but we should all try to keep on topic. :offtopic: seems to be one of the biggest problems. That and the posts that should be PM's or even not said at all. I say we should be a bit more patient and let them (they know who they are) learn from their mistakes. Patience is a virtue, let's give them all a bit more ^_^

w00t! I'm the worst person alive! *does happy dance* Oh wait. That's most likely bad.

Really though Xero. Its not the occassional help people ask. Its those people who post, practically demanding pity. i.e. the "Why do people hate me?" thread. That's just asking for pity. Not asking for help, not even telling their problems... just asking for pity. Those who beg for pity don't deserve it. Trust me. I don't ask for pity; my life is more or less horrid. Trust me, chances are life goes on. Unless you commit suicide. But if you're that far down the drain, you might be saving us on welfare cash. Though that might be a bit TOO harsh.

Either way, thanks for calling me the worst person alive. I might have to quote that in my sig right next to my PK count.

I didn't say you begged for pity. And just because someone asks "why do people hate me?” voicing a question that quite possibly have no answer to, doesn't give us the right to shoot them down. Some of the topics do get off into oblivion, and that's why I said some of them are attention getters....and what about those who aren't attention getters? There have been times when people have been contemplating suicide and turned to places like this for support. Should I have then said, "Leave spam out of off-topic discussion, no one cares about you or your pathetic life?"

Seriously, I think it is a serious problem when we start deleting post just because we think that the person wants attention. If there was a way to return those topics that needed more discussion, and if I had my admin power back to do it, I would.

You look at life a certain way; that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinions. But maybe it’s just me, but when people say they need encouragement or show that they need it; I try to give it to them.

That is the very essence that makes us different from animals; our ability to solve things peacefully, and our ability to show true compassion for complete strangers.

X

X, you have a point. Unfortuneately it can be hard to tell who is truely in need of our support and who is just looking for attention and pity. Although you must admit that there HAVE been a few unneeded topics. I think when someone is asking for help, personal help, we should open our ears. Then you can deduce what you like. Personally I think some reasonable posts are being turned into 1 liner spam-a-thons. PM is there for a reason people.

Your not the worst person alive Asura, not the best, but far from the worst.

and

1) According to you, Rayo, Asura, and I are not human. We lack that 'humanity' of which you speak.

and

2) If that's the way 'humans' are (I say this in the third because of #1) then why is it that you insulted us so for voicing OUR opinions and outlooks on things? Just because our life experiences are different from yours doens't make us any less humane. And it is not your place to call us the 'worst people alive' because our views are different. Merely in saying so you're being ever-so-slightly hypocritical: saying that humans give compassion at random, and yet insulting us for our views and opinions.


But maybe people who feel they 'need' the constant compassion continue to 'need' it because people like you give it to them freely? Now, I know that's your take on life - and maybe you come from that 'touchy-feely' generation of people who were very 'protective' of people: transcendental, if you will. "Oh, no... don't use red ink on that child's essay... you'll hurt his feelings."

However, we, obviously, do not come from that generation, and thus are more prone to be suspicious of people who say things of that sort very openly. Most people (and I know from experience, sad enough to say) who would actually THINK about it, possibly TRY it, aren't going to say "Okay! I'm gonna do it! And none of you can change my mind! There is NO reason I shouldn't!" -----(breif pause)----- "Okay... maybe some other time."

That is what one calls a ploy: a trick to trigger the humane tendencies in people such as yourself in order to gain a response that would be positively reinforcing to their psyche and their level of social acceptance. If they're REALLY going to do it - they're most likely going to do it regardless of what you say, or you're going to spend hours talking them out of it or possibly even wrestling them to the ground and physically subduing them before they give up.

I mean... maybe Asura, Rayo, and I came from a society that relied heavily on that for social acceptance and used it as a facade to cover up stuff and feel better about themselves? Maybe that was just our experience in life growing up, or possibly even now. So thus, because of the society of which you speak, which trained us to be less compassionate to those sorts of things, you pin us as less human? Simply because we possibly saw that stuff a lot, and thus dismiss it more easily, because we were CONDITIONED to be that way by SOCIETY which is supposedly so "Civil", we don't deserve to be called human in your eye? You say shame on us... I say shame on you.


... But then again... these are merely the rantings of one of the 'worst people alive'... And even then, I'm not really human.


NEW: This is the only thing I'm going to post about this, because I feel that I shouldn't need to defend my views against libel such as that, especially in, as Xero puts it, such an open and accepting community as this. So Flame Away!

I thought that the worst thing possible was to deny someone help; but it seems I'm proven wrong. The worst thing is not denying someone help, but making sure no one else wants to help them also.

I'm not saying that you guys aren't human; that's ridiculous. I'm saying that people have a right to post what they want, and there are imbedded times when people need to hear from someone they know. In some ways, this forum has become that way. People have made deep friends here, friends that they could talk to about everything. For me, Cypher, Tirath, Silk...they are just a few of mine.

When you delete a topic, especially one where you just feel that person is being an attention grabber, you are basically saying, "I don't believe you are sincere, therefore I will use the powers granted to me to delete whatever it is you wanted." We can't do that.

None of us have the right.

I'm not saying, "Don't mark red letters on a student's paper." I'm saying, "Mark that paper, but if the student comes to you for help, don't rip up their paper and say good luck."

Those are two entirely different things.

The fact of the matter is, we can't be certain that all of the requests and things are genuine. But the purpose of the General Discussion is to offer people the place to talk about anything that want or need to. When we hack away at that, we can sometimes take away their only means of encouragement, advice, support, or kinship.

I'm saying that as long as people are responding to that person’s post, regardless of why that person posted it, they are still involved; people are becoming more involved, and sometimes, that's the way deep friendship form; people are able to speak to one another.

By deleting these posts, you have deprived them of these rights.

It is human to care for others. When you consciously turn from these ways, its not that you are no longer human; you simply have chose to follow the way of the animals, everyone man for himself.

But in the core of all human beings, is it not that we attempt to better ourselves in any way possible, including forgetting how to care? Is that not the whole basis of capitalism, where the rich get richer, and the rich hold onto their richness by making sure the poor can't get rich? Is that not caring? In the core of every human being, we don't care. We only work for our own advantages. That is the truth. One might care for somebody, but only in expecting something later in return, whether knowing it consciously or subconsciously.

You call us horrible people. We're no worse then Germany in WW2, no? Europe during the Middle and Dark Ages? Anywhere else in the world before that. Always, people, move to better themselves; not others. Therefore, we are not being animalistic in any way by doing such.

In another point, none of the mods have deleted the topics that are offensive. They've merely closed them, no? Those people have a chance to continue those topics, yet at the same time they give up. Obviously, those matters aren't so important for them to continue pushing them forward. Therefore, its not so serious as life or death. If I recall, whoever started that suicide thread asked for forgiveness after that whole fiasco.

The point is, the whole base behind what you were saying is null and void. Have you not ignored other people's opinions and thoughts at times? I seem to recall that the Unity was originally not going to be accepted by the mods. Was it not made anyways? I would imagine that you have thus ignored the thoughts and opinions of others. This, by default, shows you are not caring for their opinions. Which, by default, makes you an animal just like us.

Oooh. Shiny theoretical thought, no? Trust me, if people were going to commit suicide, they typically wouldn't mention it here. If you have no friends besides the ones you meet here, please go see a psychologist. Something is seriously wrong with your mind if you'd rather surround yourself by falsehood then reality. Even I have a close circle of friends, despite the way I act and how I think. Therefore, its only logical that the people who post suicide threads would be able to run to those folks.

Label us evil. Label us horrible people. At the same time though, look in the mirror. Not to mention think before you talk. It is better to be thought a fool then open one's mouth and remove all doubt. I've always loved that saying, as it always seems to fit for many situations. As it fits in this one.

This rant is produced by Asura, who has most likely had just as much life problems as all the other whining children on this thread, in the same amount of time.

Very interesting... very, very interesting. I'm sure that there's a happy medium between all of this. I see that both sides have some very compelling arguments, and I agree with both sides. I agree with Rayo, Asura, and Wren in the fact that there is a good bit of attention getters here. However, there are also some individuals who are actually making a plea for help. So, where is the line drawn?

I am going to tentatively give a solution. Tentatively, mind you. I think that the mods should make Xero deal with ALL of the spam posts. He should have to deal with the frustrations of annoying spammers, and decide whether or not that the "plea for help" is genuine. Xero obviously feels that he's qualified, and Rayo, Wren, and the other mods are obviously very irritated by these spam posts. So if the post is spam, Xero will close it. BUT he will also send a PM of some sort to this person helping him, whether it is or isn't geniune. Thataways, all of the "pleas for help" are answered, and if they truly are attention-getters, they won't really get the attention that they are striving for (unless they only want Xero's attention; but who would want that? :blink: ).

I hope that this may lesson the tension that I see building between the two sides, and perhaps it might even help form an agreement of some sort. Ermmm... ya... well that's my wise and experienced (yeah, right!) insight on this dilemma. I hope that my ideas are helpful.

P.S. We're all friends here. Why do we have to fight and quarrel about silly things like this anyways? There's really no need to say someone isn't human, or accuse someone of "flaming."

I hate the spam of the General thread is getting now but there's a simple way to solve this problem. Create another board just for spam. It allow people to spam without punishment and clears the cludder of the General Disscussion board. This solution was used in another forum that I'm a mod of and it worked very well. I'll believe it will work here also.

I personally think that since it's General Discussion, let it go the way it is. Read them if you want, if they get irritating, just don't read them. I, myself, had to work for a few days and was curious about what was said in the "do you have a gf" topic, so I read through it and after getting halfway into the thread I thought of something that I needed to post, but couldn't because it's been closed. And, yes, I even thought about opening another topic so I could say what I wanted, but decided that it would be stupid and the growth of my character was more important *assuming that it would have went against my character*.

I, by no means, think you should not delete any topics, but the ones where people are actually replying to, those you should keep, no matter if they're a bit annoying. It gives the newbies *to roleplaying* a chance to get out of their character and learn a bit from the people who they are actually interacting with. I had a place where I went all the time to post and get advice, and yeah, I know I was annoying, some people even told me so, but there were a few there who helped me out with everything and it felt good. But the only reason that was possible was because the mod of the board didn't delete my posts just because they didn't make much sense, or they had really bad grammar. A few of them were deleted because they lacked content, and I agree, those should be killed off.

I just wanted to throw in my less than 2 cents worth. I know you probally won't take me seriously since I'm a "newbie" to this board. But just because I'm a level 2 don't mean that I haven't been around. But to put a finish to this post, I agree with X for the most part and don't think it's a bad idea for him to control the GD area... but that's up to the mods and him.

EDIT: The main point I'm making is that if people are replying to a topic, then it must mean something to someone. Unless they're just saying stuff like "Bla Bla Bla" like I seen in one. G'day!

I don't really feel like making a speech right now so I'll address a few points. Phoenix, while your idea isn't bad, it really shouldn't be necessary. There are other boards that can allow people to spam tons. I have just a little faith in humanity that they can survive without the use of spam.

Now, I don't really mind being called one of the worst people alive. I know I'm not. The people who go out and pick on others because they are different, that’s wrong. If I’m one of the worst people alive, I hate to see how you measure the rest of humanity. If someone comes and asks me for help, I'll help them. I've done my fair share of playing the therapist. Thankfully, I'm not a person who is going to commit suicide because I've been insulted.

What does make no sense though, is to ask a few hundred strangers to tell you how to handle your life. You won't get an objective opinion because some people won't care and will respond with bad advice personally. You're also displaying your problems to an infinite amount of people. You have no clue who will be reading these. Someone may accidentally give out more information than they meant to and find themselves telling people they didn't want to know about it.

I personally believe they would be far better off to ask for help in an im.

Note another thing, all of these popped up at once. You could say that they simply thought if one person did it, it was ok for the rest of them. But if all of them were truly this bad off, they would have posted it before they had to see someone else post something similar to this.

“I'm not saying, "Don't mark red letters on a student's paper." I'm saying, "Mark that paper, but if the student comes to you for help, don't rip up their paper and say good luck.””

There is the thing; we don’t stop them from using the im to ask for help. That’s the coming to help.

“That is the very essence that makes us different from animals; our ability to solve things peacefully, and our ability to show true compassion for complete strangers.”

Since when does the random person show true compassion to a complete stranger? They might show a little but when you don’t know someone at all, I doubt practically anyone, (I know only 1 person who could), could show true compassion. And technically, humans are animals. We’re the kind of animal that uses nuclear weapons to blow up countless creatures. How many types of animal do the sort of things humans have done. I prefer to think there are plenty of animals far above us.

Hmm…I could go on and I might be forced to post again but I didn’t want to do a full speech. I’ll stop since I’m almost at a full page in word.

When I said that that's what makes us different from animals, I meant that most animals do not care randomly for strangers. It may be that the pm is a good way for people to message us and get help, and that's a good thing. What I fail to see is why people can't post that sort of thing on the GENERAL DISCUSSION BOARD!

If it were in any other place, I would assume it wouldn't matter because they would be posting in subplots or BBS, which is really not the place for it. But when we made the General Discussion, we decided that anyone could post about anything.

Regardless as to what it is, it’s completely legitimate.

The entire point of me responding to this topic in the first place is the fact that the members of the .hack forum have a right to post in an out of topic discussion what they please. It’s true, as I have said two times earlier, that some people post just to get attention. But how do you any of you know that someone is not serious about a topic, and really needs our advice?

It's true that some people might respond to that person, and maybe that would say something very insightful, maybe they won't; but even if they don't, the mere fact that someone read about their problem they are having and simply posted a small little piece of something...sometimes that is enough to make people feel better. It may be true that you guys help people who come to you, and that's fine. But here, aren't you stopping others from being able to help them?

Some people don't operate well by pm, and they deserve the right to post on the GD anything they choose. Regardless as to whether the replies are one-liners here, or regardless as to what the subject is...it is still a reply! As long as the topic is receiving replies, the discussion should be allowed to continue.

This thread should not even have to have existed. People have the right to post what they want in GD. If you don't like what they post or find it annoying, there's a relatively simple answer to it...

Don't Read It!

No one has forced you to read it, so don't. I would be glad to handle the topics thus, but don't take them away.

Who cares if there are people, if everyone almost, tries to better themselves further? Does that mean that you can then not help anyone else? There are people I know who give themselves to helping people, and they are some of the happiest people in the world.

And by the way Asura. Your information is a little false, which is understandable, since I don't believe you had a say when it was decided. My idea for The Unity was not under a lot of fire. At that time, other things were going on, and people really didn't have any objection to it. What they did object to was that I made a new character called The Xeromessiah who was going to be the figure head controlled by me for the group. However, after a mod discussion, and after a vote, it was decided that I would not have another name as it broke the rules.

Do I have another name in the forum? No.

Is the Unity there because it is allowed? Yes.

Therefore, your reasoning is flawed because you misinterpreted or misunderstood information. Next time, I simply ask that you know all of your facts before you try to make me seem a rebel against the moderators type character.

X

Ahh... such a large post to reply to many things... yet so much is left unsaid.

Seems your own logic is flawed in many ways.

1) Mods were originally planning to close the creation of clans post-VoT, and it had stayed that way until the Unity was created. From what I've heard, mods were originally opposed to the Unity, though allowed it to stay due to the fact that it had already been created.

2) While you don't have another character on THIS board, you have Zavier_Dragonus on the Main Plot. At the same time, each level you gain from Zavier appears to gain you levels for Xeromessia. This makes no sense, as they are two seperate entities. If they were the same entity, you would not be allowed to post here, as you would be in Main Plot.

3) PMs are as simple to use as posting. You have to only enter the address of the target, text, and click post. If somebody cannot understand that, that person should not be participating in this RP.

4) General Discussion does have several things banned, including spam and advertising. This makes it a fact that noticible, not to mention offensive posting areas about suicide could be removed as needed. If the person feels so strongly of the subject, it would be reposted or the person could PM somebody.

Note: Due to the fact that I'm too lazy to post seperately under the News Thread, I will point out the fact that your logic is also flawed in your planning for notes. In all respect, no fact was stated in any of the .hack games on former knowledge. The first conflict of ideas and events will happen in December 2004, when the Deadly Flash is supposed to occur.

It's true that the mods almost were to the point of stopping the formation of clans. But do you know why? It's because they didn't want the creation of clans that would serve no purpose, they would clutter the site. However, since I told them my plans, laid out what my club would do, and then showed them how it was beginning to grow and add a new element to the site, it was allowed to stay.

So you see, it wasn't that they were against it; they were against clans, but when i explained to them, they were fine with it. Otherwise, it would have been deleted most likely when I lost my admin power.

Secondly, with my character on main. Anyone who has been here for a good while realizes that I used to be Zavier Dragonus. I posted something called the corruption, where Zavier was turned into Xero. However, they still are the same person, and I am actually getting ready to make the two personalities fight for dominance. Also, the reason that it says Zavier_D on the site is because G hasn't changed the username, and it's not necessary. If you would read it, you would notice that they all refer to me as Xeromessia, and that's what I go by. Zavier just happens to still be the username. So in reality, they are the same, and anyone in Main knows that...you apparently do not.

I didn't say people didn't understand how to use pm. I said that a person may not know who the best person to give them advice is, and by posting here, they can see who is a good counselor or person to get advice from, and then they can go from there. But, if they decide to keep doing topics, it's their prerogative.

You are basically comparing the request to spam, and based on what the other mods have posted on the site, I don't see it as such.

About the news...I understand what you mean; there are two separate times. But, you don't seem to understand that matrix did not exist when .hack was created, therefore, I do have the leeway to introduce it as something there.

So, I hope you understand this now. I don't know if I can make it any simpler.

And, please get your information correct. I don't like people being misinformed

Xeromesiah of the Descending Unified Revolution

Ahem. One last thing to end my points. Something has just been bothering me for a while.

If you're in Main Plot as Xeromessia, how are you able to post on the subplots WHILE Main Plot is continuing?

This is General Discussion. Really, as a mod, it doesn't matter that I'm in main and posting here because it is out of chracter, completely out of character. Therefore it doesn't deal with any of the game things.

X

Rargh. That's not what I'm hitting on.

I'm wondering how you can lead the Unity if you can't post in a subplot quest. Considering you're in Main Plot.

Actually, they can do subplots quests but they don't get anything for it.

When that really was going on was when the whole main was half dead in august and late July. Thats not the case right now. As in main, he is unable to quest with them.

Hmmm going from attention grabber Shinji Ikari syndrome oh the whinny brat things people get sick of self pity . Then going over the unity discussion TO MUCH F@( ]<!%|\|g drama for such things , I have to agree wiht the guys THIS ISN'T a AA website or counciling but if the matter is general seriously why look to online text their are councelors teachers parents relatives who will always be there not text and PM's arent that hard if you really wasnt to PM everyone its possible . Question theres like 6 main plotters on here other than mods.. but why would characters upgrade from main be active for subplot?

Mostly if you say that you don't care means you must have more problem then that person... That my opinion


Judge and in the end You'll be Judged.

Zavier, your arrogance has caused both drama and futile. It is plainly clear that you are power hungry for the blunt statement. This "The Unity" was not created because it would be an added element site it was only created to cease the annoyance of your consessive whining! Do not think that you won some sort of battle in winning 'The Unity's" appearence or the leave of me, for those were choices made completely out of different reasons for what you think. Also, the posts on these boards that concern "I'm leaving...like anyone would care.." these boards are not based on life. We have followed a somewhat of a strict conduct at these roleplaying boards in order to keep them more significant and have borders to keep under control. With adding more teams and having whatever posted in General Discussion we are basically giving these users the permission to do as they please.
From the day of your and Tiraths return I could tell that things would be both changed and a more of a problem. You two come back to a new 'terrifying' moderator Tokki. She has changed things on these boards as well as the users or so you think. You post that these boards need to get 'more organized' whereas you really mean you want the control you had over them before your leave. Do you not remember the AIM Chatroom you had with Rayo and I? We wanted you to leave your Divergence Moderation abilities for the common saftey of these boards. With those both Admin and Mod abilities is it really safe for you if you don't do anything modlike anyways? It's not. You may have wanted this Unity but it is not something that will change Divergence, your little army is just another part of your story and control.

Thank you Wanderer... Finally, someone had the guts to spell it out plainly for the Ego...

Yay 4 wanderer-kun! I gave up on these arguments quite a while ago merely because Xero was either incredibly naive and stubborn, or he's Chaotically Good, neither of which is any better or worse than the other I might add. ^_^

But it is good to have another mod (or ex-mod, as the case may be) actually say something. Kudos 2 you Wanderer! :clap:

I'm not sure how to respond other than...go Wanderer? I wasn't planning on bringing those things up there but Zavier did in fact make a statement about the Unity which wasn't really true so it would be completely necessary and proper.

*Finds so many true facts there along with a few opinions* Especially agree with the GD comments.

Why did I bother posting here again...oh yeah...*backed up the facts of it being true*

.....Well, can i say a couple of things I guess...

Wanderer, I never wanted you to go. I never ever said anything to that effect...when I actually found out you left, I was shocked. It's like Rayo. There may be times when i disagree with his decisisions, but I know he's a good mod, and I think he should stay. I am not power hungry. The Unity was constructed with a few things in mind. If you read the process, you understand the purpose...well, part of it. I tell those who individually pm me all of it, and in no way is it to magnify me. I mean, it was to add stuff to the site, interesting things. And, if you haven't noticed, Xeromessiah is changing, espeically now that the fight with Zavier Dragonus is taking place.

I didn't think I had won a battle with the Unity's appearance. I was just happy that I had gotten the ok, especially since the Guardians of the Free World was very inactive. The only safety issue was that i did ban you for a few hours when...the incident with Tokki and I happened. But, that was dealt with, and you guys knew that I would never do that again.

Ok, if the GD isn't for talking about anything...I'm sorry, and this posting that I have done has been a waste of time....you know what....I guess this is important, so here goes.

The Unity, in my mind, exists for a new element in the Divergeance story line. But, if you guys really find that it is stupid and only serves to appease "my all powerful ego...", then....i am willing to destory it.

If you guys really feel it is that bad, I will stop my group, and disband The Unity. I guess...if I am seen by everyone to be power hungry and have a big ego and whine...this would be the best course of action.

And please, for the record...I never had a problem with the majority of what Tokki did. There was an isolated incident that i spoke of in a chat that led to those many things, and those of us involved know what it was. Also, when i said organization so long ago, it was because parts of the site looked cluttered...like the duels, which had duels open from like before the summer, when i couldn't be on...

Man, this topic kinda spun....but, I guess deep inside i knew that if you guys did respond, it would be with something like this...

ZX

No comment. Zavier, don't say 'what Tokki did' like it was some drastic change that altered the course of Divergence-kind. Plzthx.

With that, I retreat and say... "Go Wanderer."

Best of luck to you Wanderer...

As for the rest, I wasn't present to (most of) the incidents and such, so you guys judge as you will...

Why not make a attention getter forum that way the people who need advice like me can post there and see if anyone will help them because guess what some of us have friend that dont give a beep about or lifes and all we can get is advice from online friends

because they don't want 'attention getters' because all it does it basically promotes spam

although I do partially agree with what Rayo is saying, but I also agree with Xero..
Compassion is what makes us human...and to not have any compassion is just wrong...
like i don't mind helping people with problems they might have...but only when its genuine..there are those people that just post to get more posts..but they are easily spotted...

I also think it is stupid that you would make a forum called
General Discussion with a descriptions that says "Out of Character, and Off Topic Discussion here- talk about anything and everything you want!"
And then proceed to say, "you can't talk about this stuff here"

just my two cents..

I agree the people who just want attention shouldnt do that but i mean we should have an advice forum or something

the addition of an "advice" forum would be completely off the topic. why come to a gaming site to get help? there are sites made with that as the sole purpose.

I like Fuzzhead's idea from page 1 lol.

I only think it needs deleting if it's spam on a thread other than this group, which is labled "out of character" or if it's dead.

(I deleted the part where I said "My 2 cents." I don't want to sound as redundant as everyone else on this thread hehe)