I was just playing Star Wars: Tie Fighter (Collector's CD)* when this crossed my mind:

Why are the Rebels fighting the Empire, anyway. Is it a matter of taxation? ...or the spice trade? :P I know they're evil, but they're a good kind of evil. With an entire universe under Imperial control, the Evil gets spread out. Plus, you just can't beat an old dude that grimaces at people and zaps them! :yeah:

And what if the Rebels did win (eh... perhaps ignoring Return of the Jedi)? Wouldn't it throw the known universe into chaos and civil wars? :Q

Discuss. :blink:



Yes, deep thoughts. I know. :lol:

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*A good game. Definitely an improvement over the X-Wing I have on my ancient computer. TIE Defenders kick ass! :yeah:

Gun Boats had the right idea, though. Finally, an answer to why a ship has to go slow when it goes really fast into hyperspace: the SLAM System, baby! Now, a TIE Defender with the SLAM system.... that would be really, really cool. :hail:

Or even A TIE Defender with a cloaking shield, too! Too bad you can't have both a cloaking shield and hyperspace... at least by the technology in the game...

you mean what would happen if the rebels DIDN'T win???

:P


well...they were fighting b/c the Empire killed off all their Jedi...the policing force <kinda) and diplomatic backbone to the Republic. The Empire is sexist and racist. The Emperor let VERY FEW women and aliens in his rank.

The Emperor is a militant, everybody is forced to be subservant to the armed services. If you didn't like that...TOUGH...you die in any case ;).

The Empire enslaved millions of people, whole planets...destroyed planets ;)...and was smelly.

Hence why Darth had an oxygen mask :P

I know, I know. I've seen the movies, but it's so much more fun to make fun of the Empire and geezers that electrocute people.

Well, I think they need to chill!

:dance:

hmm. I think it's an issue of revenge, excessive police presence, and equal rights. most of the rebels either seem to have some sort of connection with the Jedi who got killed or with smugglers who don't like being taxed or policed. many of the rest are aliens, and we see very few aliens of high rank in the Imperial forces. There are basically none on the deathstar, and presumably serving on there is a pretty high honor....

when I think Emperor I think Hitler...and that explains that...

lol...

it works...b/c Hitler wasn't Ayran OR heterosexual...

he was a jew and gay.

and the emperor is an alien AND a Jedi.

The Emperor is not an alien, as far as I'm aware.

Hitler must have been straight or bisexual enough to please his wife..... she was always writing about what a great man he was, if I recall correctly. :blink:

Didnt they get married like the night before they killed each other???


And I believe it's written in a book...somewhere...that he isn't human.

:s I think Merin's gone insane. Or sarcastic. Or... BOTH. I'm afraid to correct her when she does that, 'cause I'm afraid I'll find the answer... :scared:

The Emperor certainly looked human enough in Episode II.
Hitler was not Jewish.
I like jello.

Any questions? :hmm2:

"it works...b/c Hitler wasn't Ayran OR heterosexual..."

...Uuuuuum, Hitler's primary motivation was to establish supremacy for the Aryan race. He saw the Jews as a corruption of that and thus worked towards their extermination. He also knew the impact that his actions would have societally and economically on the rest of Europe and he very much wanted to stick it Europe for what he percieved as Europe's (And all the Allies, really) sticking it to Germany after WW1.

Okay, back on track now. :P

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Why are the Rebels fighting the Empire, anyway. Is it a matter of taxation? ...or the spice trade? :P I know they're evil, but they're a good kind of evil. With an entire universe under Imperial control, the Evil gets spread out. Plus, you just can't beat an old dude that grimaces at people and zaps them! :yeah:

And what if the Rebels did win (eh... perhaps ignoring Return of the Jedi)? Wouldn't it throw the known universe into chaos and civil wars? :Q

Discuss. :blink:

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I still think the Empire is better. :flash: The Rebels might have had it going for a little bit, but since Yoda left to join the Blue Man Group...

I liked the Emperor. He was the highlight (maybe the only highlight) of Episode VI.

:evil:

Merin- Palpatine was senator of Naboo. He had to be from Naboo in order to be their senator. So if you call Naboo "human" then he was.

Emperor Palpatine is meant to be more like Julius Caesar than Hitler, though Hitler certainly also fits the mold. Which makes the rebels Brutus and crew.
The problem addressed by the movies is that when you give the people the right to govern themselves -- as in the Roman Republic, the German and Italian democracies of the early 20th century, and so on -- people don't know what to do with it. People NEED to be led; and so democracy inevitably descends into mob rule with one opportunistic person being the leader. Thus, despite its idealism and good aims, democracy always ends up getting you far worse leaders than you tend to get in an autocracy -- or even if they're not that bad, leaders who destroy the precepts the democracy was supposed to stand for in the first place.

Thus Caesar, Hitler, Mussolini, and the various tyrants of Athens, and Palpatine. People are sheep, and in the void of democracy, will latch onto the strongest person around to follow, even into stupid violence and pointless war -- which is almost always what these demagogues are after.

parallels to modern america are left to the reader.

Indeed. if only we could have elected Ivan the Terrible or Kublai Kahn instead of Bush. but alas we had to be a democracy :rollin:

My vote would have been for Mickey Mouse...but...hey :mischief:

anyway...BACK ON TOPIC BOYS!!!

I'd like to take this moment to remind everyone about TIE Fighter Collector's CD. Who has it? I like it. If you see it in some bargain bin, you might want to get it. It's a fairly old game... It would likely work better if you could open it under DOS-mode, though (*curses XP for abandoning MS-DOS restart option*).

Think deep thoughts about Star Wars. Deep thoughts. :flash:

A few years ago PCGAMER called it the best PC game ever!!!!! And for good reason. My eyes were opened and I played it non-stop until I had too many medals to count. Ahhh those were the days.

The game came with "Topace" pilots that had most of the battles done. I log in as one of them and go to the combat simulator, and I can fly the missions I'm on on my own pilot. I like to do this because it tells me what the bonus objectives are! :glee:

Of course, knowing and doing are two separate things. Some of these missions are hard. :ohwell:

Not to mention I'm stuck using a mouse instead of a joystick. :mad:

Ooh, I'm high up in the secret order. Get on my good side and I just might put in a good word for you to the Emperor. :naughty:

It's a great game! If only more Star Wars games were like this...

Blasphemy, Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri is the best PC Game ever :mad:

nay good sir. civ 2 was much more fun than alpha centauri :mad:

In the immortal words of...well, me....
could you BE any more WRONG?!?

Alpha Centauri is better than Civ 2, FAR better than Civ 3, better than Rise of Nations, better than Civilization: Call to Power, better than Empire Earth, better than HG Well's The First Men in the Moon, AND better than the Matrix: Reloaded!

And to be on topic, it's also far superiour to star wars movies -- not just the new trilogy, but the originals as well! and THAT'S saying something!

I could offer evidence but i'm tired out by the baseless comparisons, sorry.

Is this...???

YES...I daresay it is!!!

This thread has transcended the General forum and now belongs to the GAMING forum!!!

:eek:

:mad: :rant2:


Well, I guess everyone's forgotten the original topic, anyway. :ohwell:

Alpha Centauri was annoying, dull, the AI was retarded, climbing up some bizarre scifi tech tree is not as fun as dealing with historical technology, scenarios are pointless when they're based on hypothetical situations based on a situation that's already hypothetical so as to have no context to tie them into reality.

Civ 1, Civ 2, and Civ 3 are all far superior to alpha centauri. call to power would have been too except that combat was controlled by such a shitty mechanism the game was basically impossible to play.

I don't really care about any of those games. :ohwell:

Well, I do play the first Civilization, but I always do the easiest difficulty setting, wipe out all civilizations except that single Chinese city (I always pick the Chinese, for some reason), surround it, and then spend my time creating my perfect little world, covered in cities. And then I go take a nap.

to quote Kundor, could you BE any more WRONG? :blink:

Err... Tie Fighter's better. So there. :P

:hail: Tie Fighter was teh r0x0r

too bad I don't have the software or a joystick at present :ohwell:


I'm sure you can find the game somewhere. Bargain bins across the nation, or whatever. And I have to do without a joystick. :cute:

It appears that young kane has forgotten how to post a traditional message


;)

The only problem with alpha centauri is that the bleak postapocalyptic milieu, and the constant revelation of human nature -- of what we turn into when restraints are removed, of how we blithely throw away the very things that make us human and then think ourselves improved -- can make you depressed after a while.
But it's the best science fiction i've seen in a long time -- far better than the matrix sequels for instance -- and if you like scifi, it's definitely a great game.

Alpha Centauri had an interesting storyline, but the game really played more like one big civ scenario than a product of its own. it never had the customizability of civ2, and that limited its replayability. plus the expansion pack CD physically destroyed my CD-ROM drive when I installed it and the expansion pack itself never ran correctly :blink:

Not customizable?!?
You could create your own units, governments, and everything in-game!
You had control over far more aspects of your civilization in-game than in civ3 and even civ2. And the diplomatic AI was brilliant -- far better than any of the civ games -- it could actually surrender and mean it, for one thing, and wars COULD be avoided with a faction if you did your diplomacy right -- often leading to war with the other side, but that's far more realistic than civ2's "everyone attack the leader" ai (or ad, for artificial dumbness, it should be called.)

and the editor for smac is quite accomplished, there are plenty of cool mods out there for it -- not as many as civ2, granted, but that's b/c not enough people appreciate this great game (which did, however, get the highest score ever in PC Gamer, as it deserves.)

:ohwell: I still think it was more like a scenario than a game in its own right. certainly making alpha centauri scenarios was less than worthwhile. some of the factions always sucked under AI control and others were always successful. and i still have no use for a product that physically destroys my CD ROM drive >:

:rollin:

:blink: Really? Do tell.

Look at all the fun craft you get to fly around in!

(statistics from Tech Room; given without units; specially modified craft can hold missles if not by default)

TIE Fighter
Speed: 100
Hull: 15
Two laser cannons.
Your basic craft. Handle with care. Not designed for ramming.

TIE Intercepter
Speed: 110
Hull: 20
Four laser cannons
Faster, better armed.

TIE Bomber
Speed: 80
Hull: 50
Two laser cannons
Two warhead launchers
Slow. Shoots missles. Big deal.

Assault Gunboat
Speed: 90
Shield: 100
Hull: 50
Two laser cannons
Two ion cannons
Two missle launchers
Hyperspace-capable
The generic shielded craft to last you until you get something better. A wee bit slow.

TIE Advanced
Speed: 145
Shield: 100
Hull: 20
Four laser cannons
Two warhead launchers
Hyperspace-capable
Based on Vader's specially-modified TIE. Fast. Deadly. First TIE to have shields and hyperspace capability. A sign of times to come.

TIE Defender
Speed: 155
Shield: 200
Hull: 50
Four laser cannons
Two ion cannons
Two warhead launchers
Hyperspace-capable
Godly, baby! Very deadly, and the fastest craft out there. Have fun, but don't scratch the paint.

Missle Boat
Speed: 125
Shield: 120
Hull: 20
One laser canon
Four warhead launchers
Hyperspace-capable
SLAM-system installed
Pheh. One laser cannon. Crammed full of more missles than you can shake a stick at. Supposedly, it was designed as the anti-TIE Defender. Its SLAM (Sub-Lightspeed-[something])-system allows it to temporarily double its speed by tapping into its hyperspace engines (drains laser energy). Still can't match the Defender, though its missle stash is impressive.