I have come to relize, after several of these, that some cartoons are not up to par. Stations like Nickelodean implements that they could care less about viewer ratings and rather put out cruddy shows with horrible animation style to have them cancelled the next day. Now that computers have replaced the once usual hand drawn animation, some cartoons are just, well, horrible. Take for instance the show "Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi" If there are any fans of this show, you may not want to read the following review:

Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi is a semi-new cartoon that premired on the tv station, Cartoon Network. After seeing commercials and ads on thier website for it, it sparked little interest. One day I finally came around to watching one 15 minute episode of it. It was horrible. Horrible. It gave a bad name to cartoons. This show seemed to be based more on promoting the real band than it did actually trying to be a well-thought out cartoon. There are several bad aspects of the show that can be easily named:

-Bad animation style.
-Speaking does not fit in well with characters mouth movements.
-Horrible plot for the show.
-Not funny. At all.

I do not know who this show is trying to entertain. Fans of the band, or dust bunny that happened to be sitting on the couch while that show was on. I find it the least bit amusing. The jokes are old and bad. I don't know who else watches it, but I am sorry to say: Cancel it. Please.

Aside from the cartoons, let's look at the stations. I don't know about anyone else, but I have seen Cartoon Network under-go major changes. An example:

From this:




To this:


What happened to the logo? I know it is not the biggest of deals, but cmon! The logo change is just one of the minor problems I now have with this station. Another issue is the commercials for Cartoon Network, and the narrator or whatever voice that says what's on next. I know these are small problems, but still. If you watch Cartoon Network, you tend to notice them. The narrators voice annoys me.

I don't know, but has anyone else been annoyed by these changes, and the shows that come along with it?

that was far too long to read :lol: B)

It is better to explain things with immense detail than to explain them briefly. ;)

i agree with you i noticed all those things but i never thought of making a topic

Well I included much more aspects of cartoons in addition to the Cartoon Network changes. This thread is also for anyone who has any reviews to add or anything they noticed about other cartoons and tv stations.

What do you mean small problems? The whole station is in the pitts. Its not worth watching anymore.

I only mentioned small individual problems, including the logo, commericial status and that narrator. :lol: Please add anything you want about why the station is not doing good.

well then ive noticed that CN has tried too hard to make changes for the better, but if you look at nickelodeon and disney they dont really change that much and they still get alot of viewers so i think CN needs to start bringing back the originals ;) (dexter's lab, johnny bravo,old ppg, i.m weasel, cow and chicken)

They should go back to advertizing orbit. And I used to know CN as completely cartoons. Fridays has ruined it, and this is coming from someone who actually was on the show.

Thw whole station sucks. Its not good anymore. It went from to

What was the second image?

Amd Choas you were on Cartoon Fridays? :huh:

OMG please tell me you weren't one of those random 10 year olds... tell me you did the voice of one of the puppets or something, or that you're that fat kid, or something, PLEASE.

Lol those creepy kids dancing. To horrible music .

CN is just catching up with the other channels...is there any other kids channels left that don't have those flashy designs? The HiHi Puffy thing is just one person's opinion out of millions. A lot of that slapstick stuff appeals to younger kids...if it wasn't getting any viewers, then they wouldn't show it. I agree, in my opinion, CN has taken a turn for the worst. But a lot of it's viewers are younger kids, who like this stuff. Maybe we're just getting too old for CN...

From one of your first comments:

This I don't buy into. Storytelling is storytelling - if the script is bad, don't blame the animators. If the animation is bad, don't blame the script writers. If the whole thing totally reeks, then blame the director.

Personally, I find that Disney vs Pixar is a great example of this. Disney's classics, like Bambi, can still touch hearts (as well as our dollars) years after their origin, but newer films like Finding Nemo are able to achieve great success today as well.

These films aren't good because they were "hand drawn" or because they used "computer graphics". Rather, they're good because their chosen medium was executed well. Not to mention the fact that every facet (story, direction, art, music, etc) of these films worked in unison to create a success.

So, I wouldn't blame it all on computers. It's all about execution.

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Okay, now about Cartoon Network's logo design change. Honestly, it's all about personal preference. I happen to like CN's new design. The old logo was classic, but the new design is a nice modern upgrade. I find it less cluttered & more visually appealing.

I'm not sure what commercials you're referring to. Are they the ones where the characters from their bag of shows run around an interesting "Cartoon Network Town"? Now, I can't claim to have seen all of these, but mostly I find that they either hit or miss. I do like a lot of the little subtle details in some of the quiet moments they show - like the fact that Flash from JL is on the cover of MH (an obvious GQ spoof - and totally fitting, don't u think?). I also think it's cute when Samurai Jack buys a broom from a shop and whisps it around like a weapon. It's cute stuff, sometimes funny, and it adds to network fandom (which they are obviously trying to garner).

Personally, I think it works in theory. The only problem is this: Programming. If you're going to showcase your trademark characters, some of them have got to be good. If all the programs you have are not loved and adored by the public, such ads won't be effective.

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Which leads us to HiHi Puffy AmiYumi...

Now, it is my opinion that this show could have been so much more than it is, and it's just sad to see it as it is.

As you put it:

Yes, this is true. But, honestly, what kind of plot could there be? I think a documentary or behind the scenes look at the band would have been more entertaining than the fictional misadventures of this so-called show. The fact that it is so boring is what brings it down more than anything else in my opinion.

Can't argue with you there ^_^

I don't really see how the animation is "bad" altogether. Perhaps the character designs need some help, but I wouldn't say it's all bad. The colors are very bright & they've obviously made some elements look anime-esque to keep to the "Everything Japanese" theme they have going. It all goes together.

By chance, once I did catch a little "music video" sequence, and I thought that was very cutely animated.

Honestly, I think this might be done as a joke in reference to bad dubbing of Japanese anime/films that used to be much worse than it is now. I haven't seen the show often enough to say for sure, but from what I remember, I think it is the case.

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Personally, I just think that most stuff on TV is just plain awful. The cartoons that are great are the exception to the rule, and rare gems indeed.

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Finally, I did sort of come into this thread looking for the "Best/Worst Cartoons of 2005". Why not just list all of the ones that you think are really good/bad?

*sigh* I remember when Cartoon Network was made up of shows like Looney Toons, the Tex Avery show, and the early Cartoon Cartoons.

I also miss the days when Toonami was run by Moltar and it was on every day.

I miss the old cartoonnetwork :unsure:

Eh, it's not all bad... Kids Next Door and Teen Titans keep me happy.

.......I am so glad that they are cancelling Teen Titans. I mean come on, trying to make a serious comic kid friendly. It's like watching a kids version of Gigantor...even if it was suppose to be a kids show.

Minor points...

1. There are some good new shows that came out this year(Super Monkey Robot Team Hyper Force Go!, Avatar: The Last Airbender, and Doodles come to mind)
2. CN's largest mistake is that they're trying to emulate the other networks when they were pounding those networks into the ground. You don't remain number one by ripping off number two. This whole shift from animation to real people annoys me in ways I cannot fully express and the movies are getting on my nerves as well(I like Goonies, don't get me wrong, but not on CN).
3. Hand drawn animation still exists...I just don't know if it exists in this country. I know that GiTS:SAC is a combination of hand drawn, cell, and CG animations...which is why it's soo soo pretty. :D
4. For some of you who are saying that there aren't as many good shows now as there were "back in the day" well that's only partially true. That's just you getting old enough to be taken advatage of by this thing we call "NOSTALGIA." Reguardless of how old you are...there were cartoons that sucked(and tons of them) while you were growing up. Some show you liked even sucked...you just remember how much you liked them when you were 10. ;)

Well, that about sums it up for me for now.....until next time. :angel:

Yeah, I notice that Kids WB had been getting shows that look like it was made for the Nick channel.

Like that one Johnny show & That Fruit Salad Island.

I was the voice of the trucker puppet.

CN is going through growing pains, and this is throught the entire companies division including [adult swim]. There are curently some good show (Billy and Mandy and Boondocks are the best 2 TV shows out right now, Justice Leagues, Venture Brothers), and some bad:

Most of the anime
Hi Hi
Krytpto
Code Lyoko
Tottally Spies.
Family Guy and Futurama OVER AND OVER AGAIN
Stoker and Hoop
etc.

MUch of it in no longer innovative like it was, and they are trying to maintain ratings. Another problem is that CN helped usher in a lot of anime, and now the anime fad is dying, and they are still trying out these fake animes (HI HI, Teen Titans) and bad animes (Inuyashu comes to mind).

I wouldn't advise you talking like that at Adult Swim message board (ALOT of Inuyasha fans are there ^^"..).

But I'm still a big anime fan, and I enjoy the Teen Titans for it's DC comics back ground, not the animation.

:o

I LIKE Stroker And Hoop, and I seem to be the only person that remembers Totally Spies wasn't originally on CN, but on Fox/ABC family.

That is true, but does everyone know that Disney owns part of the shares of Cartoon Network? Infact they bought out the Fox Kids, then they became the Fox Box, then they change again to 4KidsTV, and Disney stills owns part of their shares, & as well as Kids WB. In truth, Disney owns part of shares on every source of entertainment that made big...

Your joke was in bad taste.

What I'm really seeing is the same mistake that Nickelodeon made. Once upon a time there were some truly excelent shows on Nickelodeon, but the programing took a major change and the old shows were replaced by tons of new shows. That is not to say that all of the new shows were bad, just that most of the older shows were better. But when the newer shows wern't nearly as successful as the old ones they made the mistake of not bringing the old back and just replaced it with more new stuff.

Now it's happening with CN. A few months ago all the ads for CN were for new shows. I have a feeling that many of them are going to flop and die rather soon and the producers are going to panic and cram even MORE new shows on instead of bringing back some of the old.

i think cn has to put on the older shows, make new episodes for them , and yu gi oh gx is horrible, should've stuck with yu gi oh !
dbz was my fave show, but it no longer plays, so i cant watch anymore of it, and gt is corny, they play all the corny shows ex: hi hi puffy amy or whatever show
i liked time squad, that was a good 1 but its gone, cow and chicken was hilarious, and i liked jq, other problems are the logo, the annoying fridays when no good shows (exept eee) come on untill 12pm untill mid i watch fresh prince/rosanne/cosby show on nick at nite....


also family guy is awsome...

also also... eee is getting worse each new episode..

I applaud yours, and everyones opinion for that matter. Thank you.

As far as the not blaming computers part of your response, I agree, it is all about the plan and comprising each stage of the cartoon with proper techniques and effort. I found none of this in Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi. Sure, it is one example. But when a horrible flaw like this appears on a channel, it brings out the worst in every other show as well. I'm not blaming the computers, because if the animators wanted to, they could create a whole new set of animation style if they have the effort. If you look closy at it, the background is thrown together like trash, and the characters expressions are indeed just bad.

As for the commercials, what I was trying to implement was not the ads of other companys, but the ads for cartoon network that they develop. Overall, commercials mainly suck (unless they are funny or for a good game or movie) but mostly lame product advertisments are not entertaining. So, you see many stations have thier own commericials, about whats coming up next, holiday specials, website additions, and more that tend to gear towards the overall status of the station. I find these commercials that cartoon network produces to be overly annoying because of the narrator. I don't know if it is a girl, but it sounds like one, and the voice just annoys me for some reason. Sure, this is a very small problem compared to the rest of the changes, but I am putting all views of the station into perspective.

As for the plot of Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi, most people can probably sense that this lame excuse for a cartoon is simply an advertisment for the real life band.

Ok, the list. You wanted a list Crystal Velvet, well here it is: ;)
(Note that these shows are from Cartoon Network, not from all stations, and in addition this cartoon list is based on personal preference)

So here it is. Also, these shows are based off of the CLASSIC episodes, NOT the NEW and crappy ones if there are any. This list does not include shows featured on Adult Swim.
Best Cartoons On Cartoon Network
Ed, Edd, n' Eddy
Courage The Cowardly Dog
Powerpuff Girls
Samurai Jack
Dexter's Laboratory (woot!)
Johnny Bravo
Sheep In The Big City
Looney Tunes

Worst Cartoons On Cartoon Network
Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi (of course)
Yugioh GX (or whatever it's called)
Krypto Superdog
Code Lyoko

A TON more could be added to these lists. So why not make it open for everyone? Please, if you have any shows to add to list, you can post them here, but maybe also give reasons why you dislike or like that particular show or several shows. Thanks. :P

Hate to dissagree(no I don't), but here goes...

Yu-gi-oh Anything: another tired and dragged out "catch em" anime.

Dragonball Anything: Let's hope they cancel what they have on the air now...and never bring it back again. It was lame to begin with and that was before they reran each episode 47 times. Just...let....it...die.

Time Squad: Ok, this was a good show that was killed way before it's time.

Good Shows on Fridays: Fosters, EEE, and let's not forget the best show currently runnning on CN(Not AS)....Billy and Mandy. The problem is you have to suffer through the humans and horrible jokes to get to the actual shows.

Oh, and while we're on the subject of CN emulating Nick. I was watching the Nick Friday (whatever you call it) program thingie...and they have kids competing to be slimed.....this makes no sense to me what-so-ever. My friends and I find it hilarious that 90% of the people who watch Nick and are into the whole slime thing(which is basically the channel's mascot) have no idea where it came from or that it's not supposed to be a good thing. Looks like it's about time to bring back a certain Canadian Sketch Comedy Show. :angel:

Who are you disagreeing with? Because I agree with the shows you just posted. Yugioh stinks.

errr i meant to post eee lol not yu gi oh tryin to disagree with yu gi oh


sorry for dub post

The Top 3 shows on Cartoon Net work
1. Ed, Edd, and Eddy
2. Dexter's Laboratory
3. Samurai Jack/Looney Tunes

The worst 3 shows on Cartoon Net work
1. Hihi Puffy Ami Yumi Show
2. Yugioh GX?
3. PPG (because of the annoying duh duh dun uh nu nu)

Girls watch cartoons.

yea i know im just saying i dont like it cuz its more of a girls type cartoon

Okay well that is personal preference. Any other logical reasoning for the other cartoons you listed? Not to mention those are the ones I already listed. :P

hihi puffy ami umi show cuz they talk weird, there is no story, it changes every second lol and every episode they try to get to a concert, and its based on a real person/people


yu gi oh gx isnt good cuz it has a horrible story line cuz i dont even know it..

eee is awsome for every good reason
dexters lab is good cuz its funny, and its just a good show
samurai jack/looney tunes is a toss up cuz they're both good shows

Ok, even though I dislike Yugioh GX as well, I must question:

How can you hate the storyline if you don't even know it? :P

i dont know the storyline because there is not any thats why i dislike it