What has become of our good Pontiff Pope Christian VI?

He is inactive but still alive.

I petition that Paradiszia be allowed to chose the next Papal nation, along with Thracia.We are the most devout Catholic nation, and we gave up land to the Papacy, and the Pope coronates our sovreign. I think we should have a say in who becomes pope, but certianly not a final decision.

Thracia and I can look for papal nations. Thracia will question them first on various things, and make sure the nation is not controlled by me ;-). They should also explain why they are refering them to Paradiszia.

Paradiszia will then question the nation on catechism, doctrin, history, and theology of the church. We will also explain the special relationship between the Papacy and Paradiszia. If the nation answers well enough, and accepts the responsibilities given to them by Paradiszia and the region; We will send a letter of acceptance to Thracia. The new Pope will be announced before entering the region, if more than half of active nations object to the selection with a good reason, the process will restart. If there is no significant objection, Thracia will give the password and the new Pope will be welcomed.

I beg Thracia consider my proposal.

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On a side note: What if Paradiszia is ready to coronate Maria Teresa and the pope is not active? Then what?

I would also like to have some involvement in the search for a Pope, however, the selection will be left up to you two.

But do not let us get ahead of ourselves! Christian VI may perk up yet! I did afterall.

Also, Paradisizia, if you cannot find a Pope in time for the coronation, the Metropolitain of Moscow would be happy to perform the ceremony. Or if you would prefer, the Catholic Archbishop of Moscow.

While we thank you for your offer, only the pope himself can coronate the Paradiszian monarch, it's the only way the coronation is legal. This is why it's such a crisis. Perhaps we should send a large cup of expresso to perk up Christian VI.

Majesties: NO monarch of Zahumlje is ever crowned by the Pope!
Nothing against the Pope, but the historical reason is in the history of bosnia. The first and only king crowned with a crown from Rome was the last king of Bosnia. . . It wasn't good luck, there is plenty of precedent of monarchs not being crowned from Rome. We realize that Paradizia has feelings bout the Holy Roman Empire, and perhaps that is part of the whole thing, but maybe it's not necessary. There are a lot of things the Church no longer involves itself in.
Best Wishes to all
Katarina of Zahumlje

It is a tradition that dates back to the first Paradiszian King, Pierre the Great. It will not end with Maria Teresa. It's also the only way the succession can be legal and officially reconized by the people and their representatives, as stated in the Constitution of the Imperial Dynasty, and The Constitution of the Holy Roman Catholic Empire of Paradiszia. Maria Teresa has had a hard time claiming the throne already; have we forgoten she had to send her debaucher of a brother to Siberia with the help of Tsarenavitch Sophia (their aunt)?

I would liek to get Edessia into chosing the next papal nation, as people in the know here, realize that the reason for taking territory 29 was to be able to have quick access to the vaticana nd we are very Devout Catholics. We wish to participate too. We can keep a vigil eye for papal nations and such. PErsonnally in RL The Player behidn Edessia has a strong connection to the previous Pope JPII, being Polish and a hero to our nation, we would love to participate in the process.

We are also a very strong Catholic nation with a historic legacy of being involved in the selection of Popes.
Perhaps a conclave could be arranged involving all the Catholic nations.

Cardinals are allowed to serve in Parliament, the only legal way for our sovregin to become so is though the Pope, we gave land to the Vatican, and Paradiszia is a very senoir member of the Balkans. I did not start this dicussion to see claims of various nations to the Papacy. I started it to see if I could ask the nation in question some questions to see if they are fit to be Pope. Paradiszia dose not want to pick the Pope, we want to see if the person Thracia picks is a good Catholic.

Yeah ok, but why should it be limited to one nation, and no offense Thracia, but you arent Roman catholic either, so technically speaking it would be kind of awkward. I thinkw e could do that for now, but if the need comes down to it, we could referenda the region's catholics into picking a pope.

I do have to say, while limiting the selection of Pope to mainly Catholic nations is fair, some other nation do have to be included. I say this because the Pope is a crowned head, and therefore a political entity, whose selection process for invitation to this region needs to be an open forum. The Pope's influence spreads much farther than soley within the Catholic world.

Your Majesties, While we have many friends who are not Catholic, and have a Nation in which Catholics do not form a majority, We think that it is an Office which should only be decided by Cahtolics, Here is Our suggestion:
Proportional Voteing.
We have old descriptions of the proportion of any given Religion for each Nation. The votes of all neations which have Catholic populations can be counted according to proportion of Catholic citizens. Catholic majority nations would still have the most say, and non-Catholic Nations would still have a bit of influence.
The old Nation profiles prior tho this month should be considered definitive. That way no one can manipulate the numbers. We think this is a just and workable compromise.
Best Wishes
Katarina of Zahumlje

If they get to vote on who becomes Pope, they decide on who make's the soverign's rule official. I will have this region decide who puts the crown on the Empress's (or Emperor's) head. I would rather if Thracia had the decision on that.

I suggest that perhaps each Catholic majority nation submits a question to to me to ask the Papal Canidate; the question would deal with doctrin, catechism, theology, and church history. Every non-Catholic majority nation can submit a question about secular things to Thracia to ask the canidate. Then after the questions are answered to our likeing we will announce the winner's name. There is stated a reasonable objection within one day by 2/3 of the active nations, the canidate will be dropped. If the Pope violates regional law he wil be taken to the BICJ, he must agree to be neutral to all matters outside the Roman Catholic Church, and not to join ANY alliances or organiztions except for the BICJ. He must also agree not to make radical desisions or changes to the Church, we don't want a crazy libertarian man trying to debase the One Truse Faith by bowing to the demands of ignorant, apathetic, stupid people trying to make excuses for their sins, mistakes, and their ignorance to the scantity of Holy Mother Church.

Your Majesties: I believe that Paradizia's suggestion and mine could be combined, that the winning candidate represent a conservative take on Catholicism, and have votes from those nations haveing Catholic populations. I think combing these methods will result in an even fairer decision. both after all have points in their favor. We too want to see someone who actually represents the Catholic view as We understand it, and we want the majority of the Cardinals of our regions to be behind him. We like the idea of doctrinal and secular questions too! Anyone who is to serve in this most August Office must have the knowlege to do so properly!
Best Wishes
Katarina of Zahumlje

I do have an objection regarding the Pope not being allowed to join any organizations. Pope Christian VI has been a member of the LBM for sometime, with that precedent in place, it would be unfair to make that prohibition. Furthermore, the Pope still is a monarch.

worthwhile points!

We will not restrict the current Pope from joining organizations. However, the next one will be (except BICJ). We feel it would be best for the Pope to be independent.

Agreed paradiszia, very much agreed, religon and state should be kept seperate. Though letting them have a voice in the LBM isnt a bad idea at all either. I think they should be allowed to at least speak and voice a concern here, if not allowed to become a member.

Yes, yes, indeed. He will be able to voice his opinion in every matter of importance.

Since there seems to be no concensus on that matter, we will simply have to vote on it in the event that we need a new pope.

Yes, and we'll also need to make sure the Pope stays ACTIVE in the future. I will send His Holiness a telegram, perhaps he will come about.

Your Majesties, that all sounds fine to me. We need to get this show on the road. I realize that people can be sick, overwhelmed with school or other matters, but checking in once inawhile would be good.
Best Wishes
Katarina of Zahumlje

Excellencies: We are concerned about the Pontiff's illness. He is vital to the Region. We suggest that all efforts must be made for him to at LEAST approve the Coronation and send the Crown, this was the actual way it was done in Medieval times, that the Crown was sent from Rome with a letter to the new Monarch, and the most importatn Catholic bishop or Cardinal did the actual crowning, standing in the Pope's place. This is because in the Middle Ages travel was difficult. If he would do just that, that We think would suffice, surely he is not too ill to do that. We do not wish to see Pope Christian deposed, for one thing there is NO such provision in Canon Law! We do not need or want Anti-Popes. Would simply sending the Crown and the letter authorizeing a Paradizian Bishop or Cardinal to do it work? Must it personally be the Pope?
Katarina of Zahumlje

Thank you for pointing out an alternative Zahumlje. It will be considered, but it must be approved by the Supreme Court and both Houses of Parliament, this could take just as long as it would for there to be a new Pope.

Zahumlje, if you take a look at his nations profile it shows that he was active as early as seven days ago. Perhaps we should wait a fews days, who nows when he will take a look around himself. (I hope that didn't come off sounding mean, that was not my intent).

I propose that we give the Pope thirteen more days of inacitivity, at which point he will have been inactive for twenty days. Should those thriteen days pass we will begin the Papal conclave for a new Pope. If after that time Christian IV awakens, he will simply have to accept the position of lets say Archbishop of Ponte Corvo (the little region he requested sometime ago north of Rome I think, Paradiszia I am sure can clear up that matter).

Furthermore, I will send my ambassador nation, Tsarist Muscovy to a Papal region, which I believe there is one, to discuss a possible candidate with them. I let you know how that works out.

How does this proposal sound to you all?

That sounds very resonable. I like that idea. Very good thinking, and Ponte Corvo is south of Rome by the way.

Once a few more members have weighed in I'll make the decision whether or not to act.

Schonbrunn approves of both the election procedure and the period of inactivity before a new Pontiff is to selected.

What do the rest of you say? Thracia, I am especially anxious to hear from you, I have yet to act.