The Byzantine Air Force, is searching for regional allies and partners, who wish to begin work on a new UCAV-unmanned combat aerial vehicle.

The Byzantine Air Force envisages a new UCAV, with the ability to 'hover' at high altitudes, while unloading its payload on targets below. This new breed of UCAV, will also hopefully have the capability to fire air-to-air missiles at enemy aircraft. Already, the BAF has poured close to $400 million into this project.

Below, is an atrists impression of what the new UCAV, dubbed the Spartan, will look like.

Although this sounds like quite the advanced and capable aircraft, the RSBAF has never seen the need for advanced automated/unmanned weapons systems. We always have been a firm believer in having the man aspect involved that can anticipate random events and effectively respond to them, that can control an aircraft without worry of jamming such as our Canadian-SB joint project of advanced Arrow atomospheric, suborbital, and space superiority fighters, decendants of the CF-105.

We would, however, in the spirit of Balkan brotherhood and Unity be willing to provide assistance in development, factories, windtunnels, use of test ranges etc. to co-develop and sell it to authorized buyers.

Head of RSBAF Public Relations
Air Commodore Flavius Stanciu

The possibilities are endless with this application. It will be possible to have around the clock survielance of many different targets, at a fraction of the cost of other alternatives. The key here, is that it will cut costs dramatically, all the while keeping effectivness. Another positive is that it saves man power. This UCAV, if development is succesfull, may also be able to be remotely controlled, and/or in a variant of the original, be able to to pre-programmed and fly from waypoint to waypoit, to complete missions and safely return home. This is the future. Of course, we will not be scrapping our air force any time soon, in favour of UCAVs. UCAVs and other similar projects, provide an extra capability. Recently, a prototype of a classified unmanned 'vehicle', while bieng tested, was able to be used, allbeit by accident, to monitor certain elements across our border from a nieghbouring nation, which led to thier arrest.

Secret IC:

Glorious Mostarvian Union Air Force Technician: By Mostar! Are they really that far behind?

Second Glorious Mostarvian Air Force Technician: Either that, or they are presenting a facade, for their real abilities....nobody would really present something so primitive as the future.....*chuckles*....would they?


OOC: Actually, the drawing is kick arse. Very nice.

ooc: About your IC comment, what exactly do you IC presume to be primitive? I thought we were dealing with RL based weapons and such?

We in the Molvanjan High Command believe that this new UCAV could limit pilot deaths and collateral damages on the ground below. We will try to find time to assist you. (Those Mostarvians are a bunch of pompous jerkwads, eh?)

The Bulgarian Air Force and ATI (our main supplier of aircraft and aircraft systems) are interested in a partnership with The Byzantine Air Force.

A meeting between representatives of both air forces and our company can be arranged to discuss in detail this future partnership.

OOC: I am also curious about the weapons you are talking about? And I am tempted to simply ignore such posts.

We would like it very much, and be more then glad to have people from The Bulgarite and Molvanja work alongside us in this project. Certainly, details on the partnership should be discussed.

ooc: I think it as just IC propoganda or something lol..

State secrets can not be divulged.

Not pompous, not jerkwards, just supremely confident of technologies and abilities.

State Secret.

OOC: Well, if they stay secret they will carry no weight in RPs.

ooc: If you tell us OOC, we cant use it IC to our advantage. As far as Im concerned, OOC stays in OOC.

Well...they won't be secret if I used them in RPs, so of course they would carry weight.

Nice try.

ooc: Nice try what? I dont RP like that, perhaps you do.
For the record, if your 'tech' is too out-there, I will ignore it.
But it would be best to reveal such things OOC, because during IC, Im sure nobody would like to see a debacle over it.

OOC: Exactly my thoughts, Byzantian.

OOC: It's not fun for anyone if one of the rpers uses unrealistic technology. You can't be having a secret moon laser that is capable of blowing up entire nations or anything like that as it destroys the quality of roleplaying. Tone it down, Mostarvia.

ooc: Thats why Im saying to talk about this stuff OOC. Perhaps in the OOC area instead of RP threads..

OOC: I've got you worried, have I not? I'll get you details though.

OOC: AND OOC READING ONLY.

Name/Model: MU/Ground Support Fighter AlphaOmega
Designer/Manufacturer: Mostar Fleet Systems
Combat Designation: Bomber
Crew: 1 pilot
Weapons: One SFS L-s9.3 Laser Cannon, One Concussion Missile Launcher
Hyperdrive: No
Shields: No shields; Titanium Alloy Hull with Quadranium Solar Panels

The MU/GSF AlphaOmega is a specially-equipped fighter used for carrying bombs and torpedoes to support ground troops. It measures 6.3 meters in length and is armed with a single laser cannon and a concussion missile launcher.

Intended to destroy ground installations and heavy vehilces rather than infantry units, the use of the armour-penetrating concussion missiles replaced proton weapons to save weight. The cost of the new weapon was in engine efficiency: it isn't as fast as the MU Fighter AlphaOmega. For self-defense and strafing, it has a single laser cannon found on the model found on the MU Fighter AlphaOmega.


Name/Model: MU Fighter Alpha
Designer/Manufacturer:Mostar Fleet Systems
Combat Designation: Space Superiority Fighter/Interceptor
Power System:SFS I-s3a solar ionization reactor
Propulsion System:SFS P-sx7.4 Twin Ion Engines (230 KTU)
Flight Control System:SFS F-s5x flight avionics system
Navigation: FS N-s6 Navcon computer system
Crew:1 pilot
Speed Rating:145 MGLT
Maneuverability Rating:150 DPF
Weapons:Four SFS L-s9.3 Laser Cannons,Two SFS M-g-2 General Purpose Warhead Launchers
Hyperdrive: SFS ND9 Hyperdrive Activator Unit
Shields/Armor: Forward/Rear projecting Novaldex Shields (100SBD); Titanium hull with Quadranium Steel armored Solar Panels The MU Fighter Alpha is a single-hulled attack ship with bent wings, built from a design developed by Mostar Fleet Systems, the technological and craftwork experts who provide The People's Red Mostar Union of Mostarvia with craft for their sea and air armed forces, to provide complete dominance in combat.

MU Fighter AlphaOmega is so named because it is believed to be it's designers and the pilots who fly it to be the all and end all of fighter aircraft, in that it is the capital and full stop of a sentance of aircraft weaponry, simply undefeatable and unsurpassed. It's wing supports are strengthened with fins attached to the hull. It also has deflector shields and a hyperdrive, which significantly added to its cost, but which is easily mantainable due to Mostarvia's seemingly endless funds available for Defence funding.

The backbone of Glorious Mostarvian Air Force, the MU Fighter AlphaOmega shows a clear advantage over other rival and potential enemy aircraft because of its shields, which give the pilot added protection, and needless to say, the hyperdrive, which opens many new possibilities for missions and objectives The MU Fighter AlphaOmega can achieve without hinderance from enemy fighters or anti aircraft weaponry, unless luck has it's play.

A frightening prospect for any who encounter and go up against it, it may be found that some nations will 'ignore' it, to deny the uncomftable reality that The People's Red Mostar Union of Mostarvia has an advanced air superiority that is unmatched, fearsome and awesome in equal measure because of it's technological know how.

OOC: Worried? I don't think so. If you ask around, you will see that what you have posted is actually future, rather than present tech and as such will be ignored in a RP in this region.

ooc: Briefly looking at that, laser cannons? Space superiority fighters?
Find one aircraft, and a bomber at that, which has a 'laser cannon', and I wont ignore it.

Fighter jets cant reach space. There are aircraft, which have reached 'near-space', but not space it self.

A bomber that is 6.3meters long?

Solar ionization reactor?

Endless funds? Impossible.

Your right, Im going to ignore all that, because its so unrealistic, I dont know what else to say.

OOC: Certainly sounds like future-tech to me.
IC: Makharovsk's Air Forces would be happy to assist in development of the UAV proposed by Byzantian.
OOC: Nice drawing, too.

OOC: This isn't Star Wars, Mostarvia. The largest and best equipped RL nations don't have anything that compares to some of this stuff.

ooc: interesting if we were even 50 years into the future. I do not see energy shields as beiong remotely possible with today's technology or tech of the next century tho. Might be best to drop a couple of the ubertechs and I'd recognize it. Namely the energy shields and the hyperdrive/ion engines. Current generations of ion engines exert less force than myself pushing the rocket quite literally. They are good because they take up little to none fuel and as such can be used for long term space flights working much better than conventional engines. In the upcoming decades they'll be more powerful, but I'm talking several decades here.

I can recognize space fighters, just attempt to use tech that exists now and in the next 10-20 years. I'm going off of CF-105 (Avro Arrow) string of tech had it been given 50 years of advancement to today and concepts using technology available back then. With our inflated GDP's I can see it happening if you commit a majority of your budget towards it.

OOC:
Yes, I know they are Future Tech, this can be hinted at by the fact you don't see them flying around presently RL... but still, I don't really find any reason for anyone to ignore it besides the fact they either can't handle taking on that sort of tech in a RP, are envious, or are just being snobby and petulant at my post.

On an observation of this, I would take the first two possibilities as a compliment, the second choice as offensive.

I do with heartfelt, thanks however, thank Slavic Byzantium for his constructive criticism which differentiates from the other postings which were just more or less saying 'IGNORE'.

As far as I can tell there are no rules stipulating you have to be PT, (Present Tech).

In fact, the largest nations in NationStates do indeed use Future Tech or Modern Tech in threads, as well as Historic Tech.

If some of you (Byzantian, The Bulgarite) can't handle my technological advances then fine, ignore me. I will do the same to you, with great pleasure knowing I have not missed out on RPing with anyone of mature RPing material, but rather of a petulant, immature, volatile, rude nature.

In other words, I don't give a stuff about you (Byzantian, The Bulgarite in particular) or your attitudes.

ooc: Firstly, those who DO use future tech, are involved in RP with other nations/people, who are ALSO using future tech, and thats more often then not based on a prior agreement/knowledge that its a future tech rp. Here however, people have ALWAYS(since Iv been here, cant say about before), used PRESENT technology. And now you want to use future tech, and things that dont exist.

If you honestly think I cant handle your 'tech', you are too confident imo.

Please, explain to all of us here, how present tech, is supposed to compete in any logicall manner with future tech, that hasnt even been developed yet in real life?.
This is a fantasy world, if it was, I would have a few "Death Stars" like the ones in Star Wars, and alot more..believe me.

The only actual laser weaponary that exists, and is viable, is part of the missile defence shield. a) laser batteries/relay stations. and b) Air Born Laser, which is a large laser device mounted onto the front of a large airforce Boeing. The only thing they are capable of, and are bieng developed for, is to shoot down ICBMs. And all that is still in early development, and a long long long way off from ever being ready and actually put into service.

Im not against using future tech, but not in rp where everyone else is using present tech. Someone may as well announce now that thier nation is actually a bunch of aliens from Mars...

OOC:

I can give you a couple of reasons other than envy: 1)you can look around this forum and you will see only present tech RPs; 2) if you are trying to use future tech in present tech RPs the other participants can ignore you, whether you like it or not.

If you wish we can put a poll and see what the members of the region think the tech level in regional RPs should be and accept the results as a rule?

That is true, however they use FT or MT only when all other participants use FT or MT. Also, it is uncommon (as in "I have never seen it done") for one nation to use FT in one RP and MT in another. They choose one tech level and stick to it, or use different nation for different tech levels.

I fail to see what, in both Byzantian's and my posts, made you resort to personal insults.

Well what should we defien as present tech? What sort of things should we allow and not allow? Since nothing has been specifically said, perhaps we should say what we would allow. I don't mind going a bit into the future, I'd just prefer not to go more than a century ahead.

Well, people use the F35, and that is future tech, as it wont be in service before 2010-2012. There is also only a handful of F22's as well btw.

Present tech, I think, should be exactly what is in service around the world today. Also, I think the furthest we should go is 2015 with tech allowed, because there is quite a few things between 2010 and 2015 that will come in service. Anything more then a decade away, in my opinion should be considered future tech, simply because it is still in the very very early stages of r&d.

The furthest I would be happy with as far as laser type weapons go, is the airborn laser. They are hoping to have a fully functional prototype, that is capable of doing what its intended to do, up and flying by sometime in 2006. So it is possible.

Thats my opinion anyways.

10-15 years sounds good to me.

As for F22's, only 3 are being made per month.

Yea, not even 200 are going to be built now. Originally it was around 400-500.

I'm not suggesting Death Star and uber cannons by any stretch of the imagination, but I am suggesting an advancement in technology.

There is nothing from stopping you all from being FT either, provided everybody involved is mutually agreed.

The way I have seen it done on the NS forums is that it a nation can be MT and or FT and switch between the two depending on the RP.

There is also Post MT, in that technology is 10 to 20 or so in the future.

I think a poll would be a good idea certainly.

Byzantian, there is nothing wrong with being too confident. :)

Bulgarite, if you do not understand the point of my last post than obviously you have merely reemphasised and proved it's point.

Being too confident often gives a full sense of success, hope, security, and other things. It often blinds people to thier your own errors, and mistakes.

I see well, for my confidence is justified. :)

Heh heh

hehe

I do believe I understand your point perfectly. However, if I am wrong feel free to point it out

OH SNAP!!!