This forum is have a purpose to imrove the good relatrions between all monarchis in the region.We the rulers of the land have to be allied to secure the peace of our countrys.I suggest to create a conections between our royal familys.

The Romanovs are proud to be associated with the great royal families of the Balkans, and it is hoped we can all become quite close.

It will be honour to Oda clan to have strong relations with Romanovs.We have to discuss such relations.

Your Majesties, it is good to have a forum for discussion of issues important to the Royal Houses and the Monarchies of the Balkans.
There are questions We'd like to ask, sort of a survey.
1. How many Monarchies here are Absolute?
2. How many Monarchies here are Constitutional?
3. Are any Monarchies here considering the principles of Modern Feudalism?

The other serious problem for Royal Houses generally is that of finding suitable Marriage Partners, so that Royal Lines do not simply disappear. This is difficult as most Royal Houses are related to one another, so Consanguinity is an ever worsening problem. We think these issues need to be discussed, as does the probem of Royal Houses with a high incidence of Hemophilia, and how this problem could be eliminated.
We want to set up a special program of genetic counseling for this problem.
Best Wishes
Katja of Zahumlje
Queen-Komissar

Although the Tsar holds the final say on any issue, he does support the idea of a Russian Duma, and he usually goes along with their wishes. Only in matters of great importance will he go against the consensus. So I guess All the Russias is in between absolutist and constituional monarchy.

Then it sounds like in some ways it's like Zahumlje, it's normal that the Narodni Doma and the House of Nobles have input in the running of the Realm, but in certain situations, it's necessary for Us to take a direct part. We do this where for example inter comunal wrangleing, or interethnic problems could delay a swift resolution, or in situations where military action is necessary. Someone has to decide and usually in those cases an elected person is at a disadvantage.
We think the ADVANTAGES of monarchy in a multiethnic , multireligious, multicultural state are often overlooked.
1. Since in the case of the Zahumljani Royal House there are Royal antecedents from every ethnicity, no one feels put upon by a ruler of a majority or a minority ethnicity. After all many Royal Houses are not even of one ethnic group present in their Nations. Either way a good deal of impartiality is possible, which would not otherwise occur.
2. One can take action and take the blame. This is actually really a good thing. They can't actually kick out a monarch, or at least don't want to very much.
3. A monarch is able to bring favorable publicity to his or her Nation. (of course the reverse is true, just look at those Battenburgs! ooooj!)
4. In time of war the courage of a monarch is a terrific example for the citizenry.
5. This refers back to pont 2. Sometimes a wrong decision is preferable to a delayed decision. This is where monarchy shines.

A note of clarification, We did not mean to say a wrong decision is a good thing or that monarchs frequently make wrong decisions. Au contrair!
Monarchs are often trained from childhood for the responsibilities of leadership and this leads We think to a higher number of corret decisions swiftly rendered.
Katja of Zahumlje
Queen Komissar

Hello, I am Panagiotis Psaropoulos President of the Agean Union a member State of the Byzantine League. Currently the Emperor of our Nation is Demetrious I. He succeded Empeor Nicholas the First a few months Back when he was Assasinated by a Member of the League Senate. So that People in the Region can know a bit more about our Great Nation, I will Post here, the founding document of the Allied States of the Byzantine League.



The Samos Treaty



This treaty is here by formed on the island of Samos for mutual protection and the shared economic growth of all its signatories. It is here by made in the hopes that our Lord and savior Jesus Christ will be well please by these member states Joining in Union with his divinely appointed Emperor, Nicholas the First, and his lineage to come.


Article One

This Union shall be called The Allied States of The Byzantine League; it shall be under the eternal presidency of the Emperor of the Byzantine republic.


Article Two
The Emperor shall be the head of state of all its member nations. All nations signing this treaty possessing Monarchies, their monarchs shall be dissolved, and in its place the Emperor shall be proclaimed it’s King.


Article Three

All nations signing this treaty may maintain their own legislature. All laws passed with in each member state must be approved by their legislature and by the President of the League. The President of the League also has the Authority to propose laws in any of the member nation’s legislatures.

Article Four

For purposes of shared economic Growth all the member nations economies shall be united into one, and all member nations shall have a shared currency. This currency will be the Byzantine Lyra.

Article Five

With special permission by the Emperor, any nation in addition to having the president of the League to be there head of state, may posses a prime minister if they so wish to have one.

Article Six

All member nations Armies shall be joined into one cohesive unit. But each member state may maintain there own police force.

Article Seven

The Official Religion of the Byzantine League shall be Orthodox Christianity. All Christians with in the League wishing their marriage to be recognized by the state must be married by an Orthodox Christian Priest. Although the Official Religion of the League is Orthodox Christianity, it does allow for the free practice of other religions.

Article Eight

There shall be on the island of Samos, the Legislative body of the Byzantine League. It shall be called the Byzantine League Senate. All laws passed regarding all member states of the League shall be passed by this body. All member nations of the League shall have two representatives to this Body.

Article Nine

All Amendments to this Treaty must be proposed by ¾’s vote of the Byzantine League Senate, and then must be approved by the President of the League.

Member nations that have signed this Treaty

The Byzantine Republic
The Kingdom of Crete
The Peloponnesian Federation
The Republic of Athens
The Kingdom of Thessaly
The Kingdom of Ionia
The Kingdom of Macedonia
The Kingdom of Thraki
The Monastic Republic of Athos
The Aegean Union

In my country there is no electrions in this direction we are "absolute" monarchie.
But i will use the term despotism.The only thing that can effect my decision is the council of eleven hatamoto,but they are my vassals i`m not obliget to listen to their advises.
Feudalism is the way of my country,the society is dividet in to 3 casts:
In the last stage of the hierarhy are the Samurai(they are the army and the rulers of the land)
Afterwords come the peasents(they cultivate the land,produce the food and pay taxes)
At the end come the treaders,lenders and the other professions(they also pay taxes)
But above all them is the SHOGUN.(in my case ODA NOBUNAGA)

Can i ask what is modern feudalism?

In Paradiszia the monarchy is almost like Zahumlje.We have a Parliament, but no Prime Minister.

The House of Lords is unelected, is is run like the U.S Senate.Each governor appoints 2 representatives from his province.It also contians 1 Church appointed Arch Bishop from each Catholic dioceses.

The House of Commons is elected, and is run like the U.S House of Representatives.Each province elects however many representatives are needed based on population.

The H.I Emperor (or Empress) is the head of both government and state.He is Commander 'n' Chief of the Armed Forces, and he signs bills into laws, but can make SOME of his own that would not need to be voted on in Parliament.The exact details on that I don't have time to explain.He must me a member of the Roman Catholic Church and a Paradis by blood.

The rest of the Imperial Family (the House of Paradis) must also be Roman Catholic.They hold no political power, but have titles like the Nobles.

The Noble class is made up of notable individuals, some have relations with the Imperial House (in-laws).They also hold no political power, and their property is taxed like every one else.

Majesties: We are glad that the Shogun asked that question.
In Modern Feudalism, there is no serfdom, the peasantry is not bound to the land. The word of the noble is not absolute. The taxes are kept within the reasonable means of each class. They are not the lowest possible, but the lowest that can support any State services customary in the Realm in question. The Monarch is responsible for the People, the Monarch must not assume that all the good things in his or her life are a right, everything a Monarch has comes from the People. Without the People there is no power. Without the People there is no means of defending the Realm.
It is not the Monarch who does the fighting and dying, although that is not out of the question, it is by and large the People who have that duty. Yet the People cannot rapidly make vital collective decisions, and elected rulers do badly in many instances. So the idea of Modern Feudalism starts with the concept that the Monarch must remember this,
All Power comes from the Cooperation and Consent of the People.
So a Monarch must not oppress, must not over tax, must not have unjustified wars, or create decisions. The People must in their turn remember that their Nation is their place in the World. The People must not rebel or cause needless discords but lead decent lives. The People must realize that the Monarch acts for the Common Good, and sometimes must make unpleasant decisions toward that end. There are means of redress in the system, rangeing from the Courts, to going directly to the Monarch to seek just solutions.
The main advantage of Modern Feudalism is that large amounts of land are administered efficiently, and large numbers of people are administered to their advantage.
In a Modern Feudalist State, the people have access to medical treatment, adequate good food, merit based social mobility through service to the Realm, and to just decision in their private, but difficult disputes.
A Modern Feudalist Monarch does not live too richly. Some items of display are present because it is part of the job. A Monarch who cannot put on a decent state dinner is hampered in their job, and the People understand that. They supply the means for this ungrudgeingly because in turn the Monarch in meeting with other Rulers, makes the Realm more secure. The Monarch can temper the exactions of massive corporations, and yet permit fair trade. An elected leader of a great nation very often is in no position to do this because he or she is totally beholden. Because the Monarch is there by inheritance, there is not the question of who paid for one's election.
Elections take place at the city and provincial level, at that level there is a good chance the election will not be so costy as to corrupt the process, and it gives an organized means of popular input at the level where it is most needed.
Nobility and Royalty are trained from childhood to assume the responsibilities. They are taught geography, foreign languages, manners, military strategy, economics and basic agronomy. This is done in Zahumlje by a unique system of special tutors and study abroad, as well as readings and discussion of such classics as 'The Prince' by Machievelli, the Panchattantra, the Illiad, and other epics which reveal much about leadership. They are given stories of Hodja Nasrudin to develope their minds, and sent on quests and adventures to develope initiative.
The education of peasants includes mechanical skills, agricultural skills basic reading and writeing, and a sense of the importance of their work is instilled throughout the process of their education. People who are to be soldiers are educated specially by their hereditary regiments. Families usually send one or two sons to the regiment usual for their family. There is voluntary service both military and non military for young people usually between the secondary school and college.
There is urban life in Zahumlje, but since a peasant on the land doesn't pay rent, or taxes, he renders service to the noble in charge of his land,it is worth it to stay on the land. People who live in cities have to pay taxes. They pay very high taxes in fact. They work in factories, and mines, and they actually have more of their life constrained. Everyone that goes to the city knows this will happen. This keeps urban population from growing too fast. The Royal Army of Zahumlje is drawn both from peasants, and city dwellers.
Nobles who abuse their power are subject to punitive fines and imprisonment, as well as loss of their titles and lands. So within a nobe family there is pressure for correct behavior.
We found that social pressure is an excellent governmental method. People do more things because of social pressure than because of laws. Custom holds long after legislation and religious commandments are broken.
This is by no means a full answer, and not well organized. Trust Us it all works well in Zahumlje.

Ok i uderstand it.It`s very interesting.Do you think this out?

One important feature We should mention is that Zahumlje is multi-ethnic and multi-religious. So there are different court systems for people of different religions and only difficulties which arise intercommunally, which involve foreigners, corporations, or miscarriage of justice come before the civil courts. We are the last point of apeal. There is a High Court, but We can in certain instances over-rule it. Civil marriage is by contract and can occur without religious marriage. Religious marriage is according to the rules of each faith as is divorce or annulment for the religious purpose. a religious marriage must be registered, and is therefore noted civily. It is possible for a Muslim person to have four wives but concubinage is illegal, since slavery is illegal in Zahumlje.
So Catholic Zahumljani are under Canon Law, the Orthodox Christian population are under their Canon Law which derives from 'kanun Dushan' Muslims are under Shari'a law, (Hanafi school, same school of jurisprudence as Turkey) Jews are under Halaka law, and Socialists have their own land areas,or collective agricultural enterprises and have someone who must report directly to Us elected from their own number. The House of Nobles meets quarterly except for emergencies. The Doma Narodni meets monthly year round. It is not truely possible to sell land. Ultimately under the Zahumljani system all land is under the Queen except for vakuf lands and the vakuf lands cannot be increased or decreased. That institution dates to the Osmanli era, it is a type of religious trust, usually for the support of orphans,poor widows, mosques or even for highly eccentric purposes. One small vakuf is for the care of cats. The various churches do have land for their monasteries, and churches. They cannot administer apartments or farms other than as monasteries, unless it is to minister to the poor. Zahumljani clerics live very simply regardless of religion. We live very simply as monarchs go. We have little taste for luxury.

to Oda, the theory is based partly on how things were done in the time of King Tvrtko of Bosnia, partly on Ottoman governing structure,partly on ancient Irish governing methods, partly on early Irish Socialism as expounded by Fintan Lawlor,James Connolly and Countess Markievicz, and partly on the theories of Sir Robert Owen, as demonstrated in New Lanark in Scotland.
Modern Feudalism is an evolveing system.

As far as i can gather tshis is multi-cultural system.

Queen Katj your country is member of scialist league,right,but can you be a member of monarchies league in the same time?
I`m still not refer back my invitation to you.When you are redy to come to my country call me .We will discuss that in my capitol Trebiziond.

Please excuse me I mean we will discuss your alliance proposal in my capitol.

So, who is coming to the Coronation?You are all invited.

I will be pleased to come to your coronation,but i will send my son and heir Oda Nobutada.
I want to give you a precious gift: a Legendary Samurai Sword called "Narasawa".
The sword is soul of the warrior you have to keep it at any price.

The Queen of Everlasting snow is an absolute monarch. She holds all the power. She decids in the best interest of her people. It is also a Roman Catholic monarchie. For the rest is her country based on 'The Crinch'. With as capital of the nation a town called Whoville.

We will be pleased to have you in our league Queen of Everlasting snow.
I see that your nation is absolute monarchie too.

Zahumlje is welcomed into our alliance. I will try to draw up a charter tonite, I will post it when I have finished it.

THE WORD IN ENGLISH SINGULAR FORM IS : MONARCHY; NOT "MONARCHIE"
THE WORD IN ENGLISH PLURAL FORM IS : MONARCHIES

Also, "capitol" is a building, and "capital" is a city.

I expect these things to be hard for people just learning English, and I just wanted to make a correction. I do not wish to offend anyone.

Paradiszia it was rather foolish of you to think you are the only one here who knows some Italian. I will not repeat what you said in English, but don't think you are pulling anything on us. You tell us not to be fools, but yet you take us for them. You criticize about spelling, but yet you seem to think that spacing after a period is unnecessary.

You may think you are among fools, but I assure you, we are not fools, certainly not I. I will not allow this kind of trash to fly around unchecked.

I will be checking up on anything not written in English. If it happens again, I will post it back in English.

Please excuse me for my bad english.This is not intended.

Daimyo, no one is expected to have perfect English, but if he is going to criticize than I think it is fair to fire back. I understand what is it like to take on a second or third language. I am sure you are far more proficient in English than I am in Russian or German. I respect that.

If I were in your place Paradiszia, I would first check if my own spelling is PERFECT before I start correcting other peoples' mistakes.

What are you talking about? I wrote nothing of the sort.

I warned you earlier Paradiszia that I am not a fool. Do not try to take me for one again. I know what you posted, and I know that you edited it out of your post. You plainly had an insult posted in Italian, don't think you are pulling the wool over my eyes. I will be watching you carefully.

Fine, All Powerful Tsar, I'll tell them what I wrote in Italian!

"What kind of foolish person would make a Japanese nation and put it in a region called 'the BALKANS'"

Are you happy now?

With what I`ve deserved such an attitude.I`m not a fool,i just have interest to the Balkan nations like Turkey and Bulgaria for example.
:'( :'( :'(

What is your problem, Paradiszia?

You did nothing, I just thought it was foolish.Maybe you should have made two nations, one Japanese and one Balkanic, that way you could get the full experience of both worlds. I'm sorry if I offened you, I did go a little too far.

Majesties: We do not have a problem with a Japanese-Balkans Nation, it's different but after all in this region there is a Nation of Zombies, and Our Nation is very proud of beig a Socialist Monarchy. Some would find terrible contradictions there too. We think as Daimyo Oda is here longer his nation will become more Balkanized anyway.
To Daimyo Oda, We have had to clear Our calender because things Came Up. Royal Zahumlje Air Force 1 has been malfunctioning. ZRAF 1 needed an overhaul. We appologize for not saying somthing sooner. Our recent Near Death experience made Us consider things like the state of repair of the ZRAF 1. We expect to be able to fly to your capitol over night for a working visit of three days.

We shall bring Imam Hodza Nasrudin. He is very eager to visit your Nation. Since he's the Foreign Minister, it seems advisable. Is there a mosque he can visit in the Capitol?
We are bringing a case or two of the best Zahumljani rakija and some of the famous Zahumljani smoked trout. We are eager to see the Capitol.

Everyone; Majesties, We are all people of noble blood here, we all had the upbringing that is required of a royal person. This is not a totally private setting. Others gain an impression about Royalty from looking in on these Deliberations. We hope that the Right Impression can be maintained.

We must not do the damnable work of the scandal sheets for them!

Best Wishes
Katja of Zahumlje
Queen-Komissar

I agree with Katja, we must retain a semblance of gentility and decorum within this forum. Paradiszia, I will forget about the whole thing. I will say that if somebody has a problem with someone else, come out and say it to them in private. Don't try and be sneaky and post something in another language, this is unbecoming of Royalty.

I hope all bitterness can be set aside from this point on.

I will expect you and your Foreign Minister.
Yes we have Mosque,The Great Trebiziond Mosque we call it.I can show you The Buddah Temple too.
You will be settled in my Palace.

Paradiszia I'm not just learning english. I've had it for 7 years in high school and half of the stuff I had to read for university was in english. The reason that there are words written wrong in my messages is that I type them fast, usally when I'm tired and I don't read them again. If I wish to know the correct spelling of a word in english I look it up in my dictionary, as will most people in this game. They don't need to be corrected by others.

I understand.

It is now time to continue the improvement of the relations between our Royal Families.

I suggest to continue the debates after th end of the week.