Title: Crimean-Perussian lands
Description: The"Perussian capital" on Crimean lands?
The_Crimea - January 2, 2004 02:05 AM (GMT)
In the past, the Crimean people have been haunted by the former czar. When the czar fell and the Crimean state was born, Crimeans are totally free of any Russian influence. Even the word communism is never uttered in our peninsula. There is another threat to Crimean freedom rising in the west. The "Perussian capital" is on Crimean land. There foul communist ways are demoralising our entire peninsula. I beg of all Balkan nations, let the dream of three hundred million Crimeans shine through in complete unity. Give us a peninsula that we could forge a great nation out of. Free our souls of our sad past and let us move ahead in one unified Crimean nation.
Thank You,
The proud people of the Crimea
Perussia - January 2, 2004 03:55 AM (GMT)
WHAT! I thought we settled this? Why do you keep insisting I'm out to put your nation under my control? Perussia does not, nor will it ever have expansionist or imperialistic polocies. We have no interest in the peninsula as a whole. Just the small area on which the capital, which by the way is under your nations jurisdiction, sits.
The only actual communism you've probably ever known is when Stalin controlled the Soviet Union. Communism's original goal was to create an equal state, where no man is better than another. A nation in which the working class rules equally with the rich and lazy. Stalin just put everybody on mass farms and finally got so paranoid that he started killing people for no damn reason!
Please excuse any offensive language but this is really going to far. We go through numerous agreements with your government to satisfy your people but it seems they will not be so. If this continues I will withdraw from our previous aggreement. My governments goal is not to satisfy yours. It is concerned for the welfare of your citizens. If the Crimean government persists we will close relations. We are very tired of your argument and frankly sick with hearing how sad your people are because of socialist presence on the peninsula!
ooc:im really not tring to be rude here but this has gone on long enough!
Thracia - January 2, 2004 04:03 AM (GMT)
To the Crimean Government:
If you reach an agreement with another country you have to abide by it.
You cannot act as if that agreement does not exist. You may seek a better agreement, but, unless the other party of the agreement accept to change it, the old agreement remains in effect.
As for your ideological criticism, you would be right to complain if USSP (Perussia) was trying to spread communist propaganda in your country. But, so far, there has been no indication of that.
Also, let me remind you that Perussia was in the Crimean Peninsula before even your country came to The Balkans. We cannot force a nation to abandon its territory and its capital, just because its neighbor does not like its ideology.
byzanthine - January 2, 2004 05:13 AM (GMT)
If there is already an agreement reached, then the reached agreement must be respected, unless both parts choose to resettle another agreement. This is not the case here.
Crimea, dont attack others for their ideology as long as that ideology doesnt attack the very basic points of human rights, and even if they do, you dont start by picking on them.
The_Crimea - January 29, 2004 12:14 AM (GMT)
The Crimea fully accepts the fact that Perussia own North West Crimea. Only what is shown on the map to be his, is his. I am not sure if he still wants this but he left a message on the NS forum saying that our agreement is nullified (fine with me) and that he wants the land south of what is now his. That will not be acceptable, that land is ours and he will not be permitted to steal from us.
Thracia - January 29, 2004 02:09 AM (GMT)
In the past, Thracia was reluctant to deal with this issue at the court, but now that the crisis has escalated, I think the court should accept this case and come up at least with a recommendation.
Yugoslovenia - January 29, 2004 03:24 AM (GMT)
Crimea, this is just a constant "cry wolf" with you. There is no way in [insert explative] that you can say that Perussia is "saddening your people" just because of a name! What if I said that the capitalist countries around my border were depressing my people because they may have more money, or some bogus garbage like that? That is essentially what is going on here! As a matter of fact, because you are bashing the basic ideas of socialism and small "c" communism, you are saying that people should not have equality and basic rights for all! That is what socialism and small "c" communism stands for. Now I'm sorry if I shouldn't be posting here or anything like that, but it really gets me fired up when common, uncultured/uneducated people can't understand what things REALLY mean, not what they hear in 1950's American propaganda.
Paradiszia - January 31, 2004 06:10 PM (GMT)
What does a czar have to do with communism?As Founder of Tricom Paradiszia will defend Perussia in any case against the Crimea, Perussia is a member of Tricom as is Yugoslovenia.However, only Paradiszia is getting involved as a lawyer.The Crimea is an unpredictable state, with unclear motives and can not be trusted, especialy with it's position at the entrance of the Sea of Azov.Paradiszia City is on the small natural bay that shoots up into Paradiszian land, in such easy reach of an extremist anit-communist nation my people fear for their safety.With Perussia's gain of this land we can rest easier knowing we have an ally to warn us.
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-Paradiszian Defence Department
-Paradiszian Justice Department
-The Tricom Organization
Paradiszia - January 31, 2004 06:13 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Yugoslovenia @ Jan 28 2004, 09:24 PM) |
| Crimea, this is just a constant "cry wolf" with you. There is no way in [insert explative] that you can say that Perussia is "saddening your people" just because of a name! What if I said that the capitalist countries around my border were depressing my people because they may have more money, or some bogus garbage like that? That is essentially what is going on here! As a matter of fact, because you are bashing the basic ideas of socialism and small "c" communism, you are saying that people should not have equality and basic rights for all! That is what socialism and small "c" communism stands for. Now I'm sorry if I shouldn't be posting here or anything like that, but it really gets me fired up when common, uncultured/uneducated people can't understand what things REALLY mean, not what they hear in 1950's American propaganda. |
I feel the same, people seem only to think of Stalin when they hear the word "communism", they don't understand what good it could do for people who have not known the riches of life.
The_Crimea - February 1, 2004 06:25 PM (GMT)
Have you read my last message? I explained that The Crimea fully accepts Perrusia's capital on the crimean peninsula. We no longer demand anything from Perussia and i wish people would not linger on this old topic. It is no longer relevent
Paradiszia - February 1, 2004 06:32 PM (GMT)
What did you say that stated that?
Paradiszia - February 2, 2004 01:09 AM (GMT)
The_Crimea - February 2, 2004 01:37 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (The_Crimea @ Jan 29 2004, 12:14 AM) |
| The Crimea fully accepts the fact that Perussia own North West Crimea. Only what is shown on the map to be his, is his. I am not sure if he still wants this but he left a message on the NS forum saying that our agreement is nullified (fine with me) and that he wants the land south of what is now his. That will not be acceptable, that land is ours and he will not be permitted to steal from us. |
[QUOTE]The Crimea fully accepts the fact that Perussia own North West Crimea. Only what is shown on the map to be his, is his. I am not sure if he still wants this but he left a message on the NS forum saying that our agreement is nullified (fine with me) and that he wants the land south of what is now his. That will not be acceptable, that land is ours and he will not be permitted to steal from us.
The_Crimea - February 11, 2004 10:30 PM (GMT)
I must bring this up again, it is my duty as an educated person
Do none of you see the stupidity in having a capital city hundreds of miles away from the land that it rules? It's like being ruled by a foreghn power! What is Perussia's reasoning for this? Perussia is twice the size of The Crimea and yet it still occupys that narrow strip of land it calls its capital. I understand the need for a coast but a bit closer to one's land would be much better. Get Perussia off of THe Crimea and send them to their own country!
Paradiszia - February 14, 2004 05:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (The_Crimea @ Feb 11 2004, 04:30 PM) |
I must bring this up again, it is my duty as an educated person
Do none of you see the stupidity in having a capital city hundreds of miles away from the land that it rules? It's like being ruled by a foreghn power! What is Perussia's reasoning for this? Perussia is twice the size of The Crimea and yet it still occupys that narrow strip of land it calls its capital. I understand the need for a coast but a bit closer to one's land would be much better. Get Perussia off of THe Crimea and send them to their own country! |
1.)The word is spelled "foreign" in English, and an "educated person" should know that.
2.)It is not stupid to have a capital far way from the land it rules, Washington District of Columbia is about 2,300 miles fron California,and London is about 8,000 miles from the coast of Australia(London is the capital of the Commonwealth).
Thracia - February 14, 2004 07:48 PM (GMT)
The Balkan International Court of Justice has accepted this case and is going to issue a decision in about a week.
The_Crimea - February 14, 2004 09:00 PM (GMT)
I apoligise if my typing skills do not meet with Paradiszia's standards. The examples Paradiszia gave are just mindless rubish. London is surrounded by the land it rules and owns no land in Australia. Australia is a sovergn nation and has been since 1945. Washington DC is also surrounded by it's mainland. The distance between Washington and California is an example of the vast American country. Not that Washington is not connected to CA.
Thracia - February 15, 2004 08:46 PM (GMT)
To The Crimea and Paradiszia:
Rest assured, we will take all the arguments and counter-arguments into account.
It would be best however, if Perussia's positions were defended by Perussia itself. Since Perussia left Tricom, Paradiszia can hardly be considered an "attorney" for Perussia, anymore.
Perussia - February 15, 2004 09:29 PM (GMT)
Crimea:
Your government should work on its diplomatic skills. Numerous times you call for peace, and when it is reached you destroy it. IF you did recieve Libtzograd, I have no reason to beleive that you will stop there. You have pursued facist expansionist polocies and I will not allow such a nation to scar the fair face of this region!
King Strosteliv
ps.You're running out of reasons why the city should be given to you. I suggest you wait until you have a really good reason to continue the argument
Paradiszia - February 16, 2004 12:41 AM (GMT)
Thracia, I know I can't be an attorney to Perussia, but I would rather a trader than an imperialist bastard who toys with peace and only wants the land to prove his arguments are superior.Furthermore, Perussia was generous enough to give the Crimea it's land simply because it had the name, Perussia kept a small narrow strip with it's capital on it, then when greater land was offered to Perussia they accepted and kept the capital in it's place.The Crimea is jealous because Perussia has more land, and is coming up with every excuse to take that strip off Perussia.I think its wrong, I really do and if I ruled Perussia I would have never gave my land, however Perussia did not know what Crimea would turn into.Those are strong feelings, and I hope they are not over looked.
Thracia - February 16, 2004 05:28 AM (GMT)
I understand that Paradiszia has strong feelings about this issue, but the way to deal with this conflict is by relying on logic and reason and facts; feelings may derail this process.
Calling a nation names (like "imperialist bastard" -- or "traitor" for that matter) has never in human history resulted in anything good.
Incidentally, Perussia never controlled the entire Crimean peninsula. It used to control a strip of land there that was twice as big as the one that controls today, and it gave half of it to The Crimea.
The_Crimea - February 16, 2004 04:59 PM (GMT)
The Crimea's stance:
We are not expansionist and are not jealous of Perussia's land. We beleive that it is quality not quantity that counts. The Crimea backed out of the Black Sea Free Trade Organization because we do not recognize Perussia as a Black Sea nation. Paradiszia: You are the one that convinced me to back out of that. Why do you abandon me now?
The Crimea would like an answer from Perussia. Your capital is so far away from your mainland, it is like that land is your colony while your govenment is based in the Crimea. The hundreds of miles in between the land you claim can take a toll on the stability of a country. In RL it would strain Perussia's unity. I was not here when you recieved this land. Why did you choose this land for your capital? I understand the need for a coast but it is so far away.
The Bulgarite - February 16, 2004 06:23 PM (GMT)
I still fail to see what Crimea wants with Perussia's lands. If Perussia's capital is "hundreds of miles" wouldn't this be a problem that Perussia must deal with? I would like to ask Crimea to answer clearly one question - What do you want from Perussia?
Perussia - February 16, 2004 10:48 PM (GMT)
Does it really matter why my capital is there? Even if it weren't my capital you'd still be arguing. And earlier you said that I could have asked for something closer to the mainland Perussia did you? At the time, the Crimea was the only available coastal area on the Black Sea. We could not have negotiated for another spot because we had nothing to offer in return.
This argument is becoming futile. It is clear the Crimea will keep on until a favorable decision is reached, but from now on Perussia will not speak with Crimea. I have wasted enough time already...Gooday friends.
King Strosteliv
ps.I read you first post here and you said your people fear the Czar? If you'd pay attention you'd know that most of my people are not Russian. We belonged to the Brisitinian Empire which was based in real life Austrailia. In fact most Perussian leaders were Bristinian colonists. Only about 4% of my population is Russian, and 16% Prussian. The other 60% is Bristinian and Ukrainian, although Russian and Prussian cultures and languages are dominant.
The_Crimea - February 17, 2004 02:01 AM (GMT)
The Crimea wants only to preserve, protect and serve the people of the Crimean peninsula. I agree with Perussia, we should cease all contact with each other. Agree to disagree. It will not further the cause of peace, probibly deter it, but if it is what Perussia wants...
Thracia - February 17, 2004 03:52 AM (GMT)
Since the two main parties to this conflict decided not to post any more messages on this topic. it is now time to close the topic until The Court reaches a decision.